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Delta FLL-BOS Discontinued 4/20/09?  
User currently offlineNjdevilsin03 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 728 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 6 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3596 times:

According to Delta.com and wikipedia FLL-Bos non stop is ending on 4/20/2009. This used to be a route with several 757's and now 2 md88s and now its disappearing all together?


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User currently offlineNWA757300 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 299 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3458 times:

Is this one of the routes that premerger NW metal will be taking over?

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8801 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3393 times:
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Quoting NWA757300 (Reply 1):
Is this one of the routes that premerger NW metal will be taking over?

The route is already well served by Jetblue and Spirit Airlines; both of which offer daily non-stop flights.


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7538 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3352 times:



Quoting NWA757300 (Reply 1):
Is this one of the routes that premerger NW metal will be taking over?

No NW is taking over FLL-LGA and TPA-BDL but only for April.



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User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3433 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3297 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 2):
The route is already well served by Jetblue and Spirit Airlines; both of which offer daily non-stop flights.

Is AA not on the route?

AA1818



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8801 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 5 days ago) and read 3247 times:
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Quoting AA1818 (Reply 4):
Is AA not on the route?

No, AA discontinued BOS-FLL a long time ago.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16859 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 5 days ago) and read 3210 times:



Quoting AA1818 (Reply 4):
Is AA not on the route?

6 daily B6 A320s, 1 daily NK A319

Quoting Njdevilsin03 (Thread starter):
and now 2 md88s and now its disappearing all together?

March schedules show DL's BOS-FLL down to one daily, which I guess goes away in April.



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User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3433 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 5 days ago) and read 3205 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 5):
No, AA discontinued BOS-FLL a long time ago.

Thanks...I just checked wikipedia and it says AA flies FLL- KIN, PAP, SJO, ORD and DFW. I thought they had a few more flights than that into FLL (even though MIA is so close).

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User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7135 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 5 days ago) and read 3166 times:

So would this drop in service also create another option for WN when they move into BOS?

User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6558 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3107 times:

Last day for DL nonstop service on FLL-BOS is April 20th.

User currently offlineNickofatlanta From Australia, joined May 2000, 1487 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2757 times:

Wow - I think DL has flown this route for at least a couple of decades - probably dates back to the days of Northeast Airlines before they merged with DL! At one point with L1011s. Am sorry to see it go ...

User currently offlineCatIII From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3029 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2714 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 2):
The route is already well served by Jetblue and Spirit Airlines; both of which offer daily non-stop flights.

So cede the route because there's competition?


User currently offlineAvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2613 times:



Quoting CatIII (Reply 11):
So cede the route because there's competition?

When the competitions cost structure is lower than yours and the route does not command high yields. It's not cede, it redeploy assets elsewhere in the system where we can make more money.

Outside of AA and MCO, we will start seeing legacy carriers re-evaluate their Florida service. Plus dissolving this route was considered when DL folded Song.


User currently offlineNjdevilsin03 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2613 times:

For a route that has as many passengers as it does it is very surprising. 6 daily from jetblue and one from spirit is not a whole lot of competition. Indeed this route was flown by widebodies back in the day then prob 4 or 5 757's at one point. This is very surprising in my opinion.


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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8897 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2603 times:



Quoting Njdevilsin03 (Reply 13):
For a route that has as many passengers as it does it is very surprising. 6 daily from jetblue and one from spirit is not a whole lot of competition. Indeed this route was flown by widebodies back in the day then prob 4 or 5 757's at one point.

It probably will return in the winter.

Thing with BOS-FLL is, it's a lower-yielding route for starters. That's a strike. Just not a whole lot of business travel - those business travelers are more often than not on AA's BOS-MIA services. Strike two is that traffic between Boston and the FLL area most likely drops in the summer. Orlando and Tampa have the theme parks as selling points year-round. The Ft. Lauderdale area has beaches and golf as major draws - not the theme parks. Great for snowbirds in winter. But in summer, why go down to Florida, where it's going to be hotter than Hades (not to mention humid) to go to the beach/play golf, when you can do that right at home?


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22910 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2564 times:



Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 12):
Outside of AA and MCO, we will start seeing legacy carriers re-evaluate their Florida service. Plus dissolving this route was considered when DL folded Song.

 checkmark That said, the fact that DL took their equipment off of BDL-TPA and FLL-LGA and moved NW equipment onto them suggests to me that said re-evaluation does not always result in the routes getting cut.



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User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4106 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2535 times:



Quoting Njdevilsin03 (Reply 13):
Indeed this route was flown by widebodies back in the day then prob 4 or 5 757's at one point.

I feel bad for anyone not old enough to remember 'those days.' I did a lot of business flying back in the 1980s and 1990s and I was on more Delta L-1011s and 767s (-300s no less) out of Boston than I could count without the aid of a flight log book which I started back then. I am so glad I did my flying then instead of now. Today, for an almost endless list of reasons, it's no fun.


User currently offlineCatIII From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3029 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2270 times:



Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 12):
When the competitions cost structure is lower than yours and the route does not command high yields. It's not cede, it redeploy assets elsewhere in the system where we can make more money.

So why not try to vigorously compete and address your costs? You were in the route first.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16859 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2253 times:



Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 16):
I feel bad for anyone not old enough to remember 'those days.' I did a lot of business flying back in the 1980s and 1990s and I was on more Delta L-1011s and 767s (-300s no less) out of Boston than I could count without the aid of a flight log book which I started back then. I am so glad I did my flying then instead of now. Today, for an almost endless list of reasons, it's no fun.

Agree 100%, although I'm from New Jersey and not the Boston area it was the same down here. I've flown all sorts of airlines and Widebodies to Florida from EWR, JFK and LGA, it was fun back in the day.

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User currently offlineFlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7144 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2247 times:



Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 12):
Outside of AA and MCO, we will start seeing legacy carriers re-evaluate their Florida service.

MCO is an extremely heavy leisure market which is not doing well with these hard economic times. MIA is the safest bet for Legacy airlines in Florida. Besides for UA almost abandoning South Florida but that has been a slow process since 9/11.

I am surprised to hear this. Any flight from South Florida to the Northeast is a pretty good one. But it is served 7X daily from NK and B6 and 6 daily from MIA with AA.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8801 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (5 years 6 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2141 times:
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Quoting AA1818 (Reply 7):
AA flies FLL- KIN, PAP, SJO, ORD and DFW. I thought they had a few more flights than that into FLL (even though MIA is so close).

AA is slowly cutting capacity at FLL. For the summer, AA will operate FLL-DFW 5x daily, (with a mix of 738s and MD-80s). Also, FLL-ORD will only have one daily flight, (MD-80). FLL-KIN, FLL-PAP, and FLL-SJO will remain daily, (all 738). FLL will no longer see any AA B752s soon. However, AA is slightly increasing flights at MIA.


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