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TK B738 Crash At Amsterdam - Part 2  
User currently onlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4509 posts, RR: 72
Posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 37752 times:

Turkish Airlines flight TK1951 crashed shortly before landing at Amsterdam's Schiphol International airport right around 10.35am local time on Wednesday morning. The flight from IST was operated by B738 TC-JGE, which had been delivered to the airline in 2002.

Initial reports about casualties have been contradicting each other, but the flight is said to carry 118 passengers and 8 crew, many of which seem to have survived the impact.

This thread is the continuation of the first installment of this discussion.

202 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27157 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 37825 times:

Some of the latest shots from the crash site ::

News conference at 12:30 UK time at AMS.

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee141/swisstrip2007/tkb737800010.jpg

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee141/swisstrip2007/tkb737800012.jpg

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee141/swisstrip2007/tkb737800013.jpg


User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 37775 times:

Will post it here as the other thread is now closed.

Quoting Rquesty (Reply 207):

Wow, this is the first time I have seen the media post on anet.
Welcome Richard. Windshear has already been discussed and ruled out, the weather conditions dont support that case.

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My god, that's the first close up of the tail I have seen.


User currently offlineSkippy777 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2001, 816 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 37437 times:

Just watching Dutch TV, it seems that the engines where not running and that it was gliding to the runway. No Fire, No Fuel ??????

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27157 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 37422 times:



Quoting LHR380 (Reply 2):
My god, that's the first close up of the tail I have seen.

Yes the back does not look too good .


User currently offlineCmoltay From Turkey, joined Jun 2007, 132 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 37449 times:

Turkish NTV now quoting from Dutch NOS that "one of the two engines got separated from the plane in the air 2 km.s before the rwy." ??

User currently offlineGorgos From Greece, joined Dec 2007, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 37435 times:

From the various eyewitness reports, it sounds like a massive power loss resulting into a stall.

User currently offlineMidcon385 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 37436 times:

Unfortunately I also see what appear to be covered bodies on the Dutch footage.  cry 

Tim



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User currently offline1821 From Greece, joined Jul 2007, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 37432 times:



Quoting Skippy777 (Reply 3):
No Fire, No Fuel ??????

According to my friend in IST the plane had plenty of fuel. PilotAydin could confirm this.



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User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 37219 times:



Quoting LHR380 (Reply 2):
Quoting Rquesty (Reply 207):

Wow, this is the first time I have seen the media post on anet.

Welcome to A.net Richard and thanks for being the first from global media to seriously look at this forum.



R-E-S-P-E-C-T
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19238 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 37215 times:

Sad to hear this.  Sad


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5476 posts, RR: 30
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 37228 times:



Quoting Rquesty (Reply 207):
Forgot to add - that fact didn't come from me ! I am investigating.

Why would the plane come down 500 meters from the end of the runway ? Stalled ? too low for windshear ? and there is a large piece of debris INFRONT of the aircraft....... Thoughts ? You can always email me directly at richard.quest@cnn.com if you have info you don't want to publish openly, atlhough I hope you do.

Richard...at this time, there is nothing but speculation to go on. There are dozens of possible reasons why the plane landed where it did, why there was no fire, why the pieces are arranged as they are and what caused the accident in the first place.

As you have noted already, cnn itself rushed to air with incorrect information.

My suggestion is to rely on facts rather than asking for speculation for your reports. Anybody can claim to be an expert.



What the...?
User currently offlineWolbo From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 490 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 37279 times:



Tail section looks pretty bad.


User currently offlineGorgos From Greece, joined Dec 2007, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 37024 times:

http://www.nos.nl/journaal24/wmv.html

Check it out, very informative.


User currently offlineA3 From Greece, joined Oct 2006, 262 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 36994 times:

Quoting Cmoltay (Reply 5):
one of the two engines got separated from the plane in the air 2 km.s before the rwy

If there is any truth in this , there must be a major investigation about the 737s.

[Edited 2009-02-25 03:59:40]


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User currently offline1821 From Greece, joined Jul 2007, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 36978 times:

I'll try to get ingo for you Rich but it will be in Turkish or Greek. The Turkish i'll have to get my girlfriend to translate and it will take some time. The Greek i'll translate it 4 u a.s.a.p . Hope this helps


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User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 36769 times:



Quoting Wolbo (Reply 12):

Oh my god!!

That appears to be the rear bulkhead on the ground, and the rest in the tail. Crew seats would be attached to the rear bulkhead next to the door if im right?


User currently offlineMidcon385 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 36506 times:

Did I understand the NOS Journaal reporter to say 4 or 5 dead? Dutch is not my native language...

Tim



MidContinent Airlines: We Know How To Fly!
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27157 posts, RR: 60
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 36257 times:



Quoting Gorgos (Reply 13):
Check it out, very informative.

Good link . Thanks


User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 36250 times:

Turkish PM now saying at least one dead.

 Sad


User currently offlineKL577 From Netherlands, joined Oct 2006, 776 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 36273 times:



Quoting Midcon385 (Reply 17):
Did I understand the NOS Journaal reporter to say 4 or 5 dead? Dutch is not my native language...

Tim

Yes, that is the count of the body bags. A spokesmen of the AMC university hospital says 7 wounded people are hospitalized, four of which are in critical condition. More wounded have been taken to other hospitals.


User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7703 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 36267 times:

Cmoltay

My understanding is that the engines are designed to separate to protect the wing structure in certain circumstances.

However it would have taken place 30 sec before landing.

AFAIK there is no record of a Mayday call.


User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 36018 times:

My deep condolences to the victims families.I would like to share this pain by holding the Turkish flag in memory of the victims and in respect to Turkey


Alex!!!



Tengo una pasion por la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
User currently offlineAcabgd From Serbia, joined Jul 2005, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 36086 times:

There is another huge part sitting in the field a few hundred meters to the right and to the front of the airplane. This in addition to the engine which is also separated and is resting far away to the right.

I could not really indentify the part, but it looks like a part of the wing. It seems some parts really detached in-flight.



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User currently offlineFrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1658 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 35517 times:

Dutch tv now reports 9 dead - 3 of them were in the cockpit.


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25 Glareskin : News says now 9 casualties from which 3 from the cockpit.... RIP
26 OA260 : Oh god I hope its not true.
27 Pilotaydin : WHAT?!?
28 Ehvk : Dutch media also speculates that engines came off before the plane hit the ground.
29 EDICHC : Far too early to speculate about that, may be maitenance related or FOD the possibilites at this stage are too numerous. There was some speculation o
30 Frigatebird : I'm sorry Pilotaydin...
31 BrianDromey : There seems to be a lot of confusion about the numbers of dead. Some figures suggest 5, others up to 9. Sky news also reports that the 737 is made in
32 MD11junkie : Great - now Rosemary Church on CNN is giving the details of all of the crashes THY has suffered... ...comparing to the CO crash at DEN and some 737 cr
33 Midcon385 : Dank je. I thought I understood that comment correctly. Tim
34 1821 : Pilotaydin don't beleive anything until it's officially announced. I know it's hard for you my brother beleive me . My girlfriends uncle use to fly f
35 Jpiddink : As said, most will be speculation at this stage. However, since the last 'big' crash at AMS (LY 742F in 1992) was caused by engines disconnecting fro
36 TropicalSQ744 : RIP to those who died. I hope there are no further fatalities. Its unfortunate that this flight was a narrowbody instead of a widebody or there probab
37 Skippy777 : Confirmed 3 dead in the cockpit Dutch TV Cockpit crew sit onboard the aircraft
38 Post contains links OHLHD : Very sad to hear. How come that the winglets are both broke? Could they break just by the force of hitting the ground? See this pic: http://www.spiege
39 Emptyarm : I don't have speakers on my PC, so can anyone write the ATC exchange which was broadcasted by Dutch media?
40 Gorgos : There will be a press conferences in 15 minutes, which can be seen live in the link I posted before. I hear it too on the various media... 3 dead in t
41 1821 : Pilotaydin i just got of the phone with my friend in IST ans unfortunately it is true 3 dead in the cockpit. I also heard it on the Greek and Turkish
42 OA260 : Yes Pilotaydin our thoughts are with you and your collegues at this tragic time. It really is a sad day if these are 100% correct reports.
43 KL577 : Nothing informative, only media bringing sensation: Control: hold position, we have major situation at the airport Control: KLM 593 hold taxiing at c
44 Pilotaydin : .........
45 1821 : On behalf of every1 here on A.NET i will like to extend my deepest condolences to our fellow a.nutter Pilotaydin and offcourse to the famlies of those
46 Claudewilks : Very sad news!! Hopefully there are not many cassualities! What is wrong with aviation this year??? I hope the rest of the year stays calm and safe!!!
47 Midcon385 : If that is the case, then sincere condolences to Pilotaydin for his colleagues... Tim
48 Iberia340600 : Can anyone watching the live video feed tell if the flaps were set properly for landing?? Could that be an issue that may cause the plane to stall? Fr
49 KL577 :
50 Emre767 : On this horrible day, I offer my sincerest condolences to all families and friends. And to also the fellow A.netters Pilotaydin and Wing altough I hop
51 EDICHC : Truly sorry to hear this mate. Have you been able to find out if you knew the crew? to those lost souls.
52 Max777geek :
53 Emirates001 : Turkish authorities suggesting 7 people are now dead, altho unconfirmed. Plane 'dropped like a stone' about 500 meters short of the runway.....
54 Aleksandar : My condolences to Pilotaydin, too
55 Speedmarque : The "EXPERTS" (rent-a-quotes fools) are already suggesting hijack as there were three in the flight deck and Turkish have had many attempted hijacks i
56 CURLYHEADBOY : It looks like the forward part has been badly crushed despite the outside looks relatively intact. As I mentioned in a couple of previous posts, some
57 1821 : Pilotaydin i don't know if this will help but mate just know that every 1 here is ALWAYS willing to help you buddy. gecmis olsun i hope will be enough
58 FlySSC : Please ... Don't be like the journalists... Don't believe everything you hear/read, keep on with the facts and don't jump too quickly on any kind of
59 Bennett123 : Why 3 in the cockpit, surely there should only be 2?
60 LHR380 : What news is saying this, CNN has not mentioned that at all.
61 Aleksandar : That is quite ridiculous. Why would any comment on that stupidity?
62 OA260 : I know its stupid. Best just to ignore it . CNN Turk says 7 dead and 20 injured. The cockpit would have taken alot of the impact . News conference in
63 Airbuspilot : Just looking at the pictures one could tell already unfortunately! There where going to be casualties.... My condolences to all who lost someone in th
64 Midcon385 : Could very well be a jumpseat rider if the report is correct. Tim
65 Aleksandar : Well, it looked to me that cockpit is in good condition. From footage, I was more concerned about rear fusealge.....
66 LHR777 : Pilotaydin - my condolences to you and your colleagues. My thoughts are with you. Wait a minute - you're saying the engines drop off the wing 30 secon
67 EDICHC : There could be several legitimate reasons for a 3rd crewmeber in the jumpseat.[Edited 2009-02-25 04:30:44]
68 Post contains images OA260 :
69 Aleksandar : Dammit, now I am really angry....CNN just showed a photo of one of the fatalities. Come on folks, think about families!!!! Who needs a shot like that?
70 OA260 : It did also to me until I saw more close up pictures.
71 Aleksandar : I mean, they should be more responsible. We're talking about people who have their families, friends....The news itself is bad enough
72 Jpiddink : At a press announcement a TK manager mentioned Hassan Tarcin being the pilot of the unfortunate flight, but did not mention anything about his status.
73 LHR380 : Press conference just about to start!!!
74 Midcon385 : That's what I saw too. Tim
75 Post contains links Jpiddink : Press conference now starting live broadcast at http://www.nos.nl/journaal24/wmv.html
76 OA260 : Mayor and airport director now speaking at the news conference.
77 Sandyb123 : Hi all, I am no expert and I am commenting as an observer of the pictures posted on this site. I don't understand how all three cockpit crew perished
78 CHRISBA777ER : Condolences Aydin and Wing - thinking of you both. Have got everything crossed that it wasnt your colleagues who died. Awful accident but a miracle mo
79 OA260 : 9 people dead and 50 injured
80 Acabgd : I think he wanted to say that if there was an engine separation in this case, it seems it happened around 30 seconds before touchdown.
81 Post contains links KL577 : Official from press conference: 135 passengers. 9 dead, 50 wounded www.nos.nl/journaal24/wmv.html
82 Pilotaydin : yes, we have confirmed 3 in the cockpit...a capn and 2 f/o... im waiting for the names.... i can see the cockpit pic...the flightplan is on the right
83 StevAAn : Oh no...this is a very sad day. My deepest condolences to the victims and families. Watching the conference right now....
84 LHR380 : Remembering the state of the cockpit in the United Crash in Sioux City, crew survived and it was a mangled mess, where as this cockpit appears intact.
85 Gorgos : Official press conference in AMS reports: - h10:31 crash B737-800 - 135 on board - 9 dead including - more then 50 wounded in different categories - q
86 FVTu134 : Press conference : 9 dead (unconfirmed) 50 injured (spread over several hospitals)
87 Leskova : It looks to me like it's been either smashed to the ground with quite a lot of force, considering that it looks like quite a lot of the aircraft fuse
88 Vfw614 : Dutch eye-witness just said on CNN that some bodies, including the cockpit crew, are still inside the aircraft. I presume that means that they are dea
89 LHR380 : 9 Dead including who??
90 A388 : My condolences to the families, friends and TK who lost their loved ones. A388
91 Gorgos : Turkish CEO mentioned Hassan Tarcin
92 Joost : At least 25 severely injured. Next press conference 16:00 Dutch local time.
93 EDICHC : As said earlier could be several reasons for someone to be in the jumpseat. Don't know about the port engine but the starboard engine was about as fa
94 778NG : This is what Im reading here. R.I.P. for those that did. Airline: All 134 survive plane crash in Amsterdam Published: 2/25/09, 7:25 AM EDT By PETER DE
95 Aleksandar : So, the number is growing.....
96 Aerosol : And that would be the second fatal engine separation in the AMS surroundings. Question: Is the rudder issue solved within the 737 line?
97 Max777geek : the structure, windows too, may support decelerations which result to be fatal for a human body As many others did said, there are a variety of reaso
98 DALCE : According OFFICIAL PRESS CONFERENCE : at this moment 9 dead, 50+ injured confirmed More information will follow in next press-conference 1600hrs LT.
99 Airbuspilot : The wrinkling of the cockpit crash reminds me of the TACAN crash last year. Not good for the flightdeck crew, most of us know chances of surviving are
100 Ehvk : First of all my condolances to Family, Friends and Collegues of the Victems. With all the speculations of Engine trouble, i think it maybe said the cr
101 Glareskin : From the official press conference: more than 25 from 50 seriously injured...[Edited 2009-02-25 04:41:51]
102 FatmirJusufi : RIP victims.
103 LuftyMatt : Most likely explanation is a training Captain.
104 KL911 : On CNN you see firemen are trying to get into the cockpit now to get the crew out. Unfortunately they didn¨t survive.
105 B707forever : What awful news to awaken to. My thoughts and prayers go out to all affected. May the souls of the departed rest in peace.
106 Aleksandar : That doesn't sound good at all. Pilotaydin mentioned it earlier and he's probably right that those injuries can be very serious and include some seri
107 OA260 : Indeed . My last 4 flights with them over the last 8 months have been with well trained crew who excelled.
108 Spacecadet : Engines can separate with no warning, and have several times before. Yes, it's speculation at this point to say that's what happened, but it's no mor
109 Glareskin : Rumour of fuel starvation is central now. Eye witnesses mention extreme low speed and tail down first. After correction the nose impacted first. Proba
110 LHR380 : CNN have just said that the flight crew survived!
111 CURLYHEADBOY : News report Captain name as Hassan Tahsin Ari RIP the victims
112 Airbuspilot : 3 pilots most probably because: 1) Training flight 2) 3 pilots needed for flight time limitations since the crew was supposed to return to IST. Very c
113 CHRISBA777ER : How weird that an engine separation should take place (if the rumours are true) at AMS - the same place we saw the last major in-flight separation of
114 Post contains links Bennett123 : LHR777 I was making a rough estimate because the engine was found 2km from the runway. Based on approx approach speed, I figured 30 sec. However, I ha
115 LHR380 : Passenger list apparently now up at thy.com
116 Eric : Is it me or has there been far too many crashes, both fatal and near fatal in the last 6-12 months? I know various news agencies have spoken to indust
117 Kl911 : Confirmed now: live footage of taking bodies out from door 1R presumably from the cockpit... R.I.P.......
118 Sudden : Press conference said 9 dead and 50 wounded from light injuries to more severe. Aim for the sky! Sudden
119 BlueSky1976 : My condolences to pilotyadin and wing - may your colleagues rest in peace. My thoughts are with you.
120 Pilotaydin : ..... can you snap some pics? of the video?
121 Aleksandar : I hope this is correct information BTW, can anyone open THY's and Schiphol's websites?
122 FatmirJusufi : Now it's live on CNN. I'll try to take some images if I can...
123 KL577 : The picture the BBC shows is an old picture of the airport. The runway 36L shown is now 36C. The new polderbaan (18R-36L) is now, to the left of the
124 Vfw614 : From the official THY press release, it was 127 pax + 7 crew. Media say approx 50 non-Turkish passengers.[Edited 2009-02-25 04:55:38]
125 Daleaholic : Turkish airlines website extremely slow! RIP to those who lost their lives. Not a good year for aviation
126 Aleksandar : I apologize for earlier post. It seems that news are coming in very fast. My apologies[Edited 2009-02-25 04:59:48]
127 FatmirJusufi : Confirm that.
128 YWG747 : After looking at all those pictures, that plane is just a mess. Unbelievable that not everyone was killed. too those who have left us.
129 CHRISBA777ER : Just ruminating on the engine separation thing. They are fixed on with a series of stress bolts as I understand it, so in order for the engine to come
130 Aleksandar : Same here
131 Oly720man : Deepest condolences to all passengers, crew and their families. I'd imagine the whole world is trying to access it, along with the Schiphol site.
132 MadameConcorde : Oh dear... yes, this is such a sad and tragic occurrence, this Turkish Airlines plane crash in Amsterdam... 3 cockpit crew have died (?) and the airc
133 EDICHC : Using triage terminology used almost worldwide by emergency services I think it may be of benefit to A.netters at this time to share with you how the
134 Max777geek : Altough easily conceivable, your sequence doesn't match the principle "aviate-navigate-comunicate", which Im sure that would be any crew would try fi
135 Aleksandar : Thanks for clarification. I was reffering to the information that more than 25 out of 50 injured pax are seriously injured and expressed my fears tha
136 TK787 : I am very sad. It is almost a nightmare to wake up, turn on the TV and see a plane crash with my favorite livery on CNN. Pilotaydin, Wing and all my T
137 Bennett123 : If it had broken up in flight, I would expect more loss of life. Besides it was less than 10 years old.
138 CHRISBA777ER : It does. To "aviate" you fly the plane first - this means preventing a stall as your first and most critical priority on short finals. As you say tho
139 FatmirJusufi : Let's hope everyone who's injured will survive.
140 Cedars747 : Al Jazeera channel says 9 dead and more than 50 injured Alex!!!
141 Sudden : This does not add up as interview with a passager said that nothing abnormal were noticed, and suddenly the A/C lost height and slammed down on the f
142 Post contains images FatmirJusufi : BBC reports "25 are severely hurt"  [Edited 2009-02-25 05:13:25]
143 EDICHC : It all depends though on who is making those descriptions. The terms I gave you are those used by healthcare professionals to triage patients at the
144 Post contains links Aleksandar : Believe me, I hope and pray for all of them to survive. Also, THY issued a passenger list and also some information about the accident http://www.thy
145 Post contains images OA260 : Some recent pics.
146 IADCA : First, RIP to all those lost today, and condolences to their loved ones and colleagues. Second, as an administrative/housekeeping measure, it might be
147 Lexer : Dutch news just said that all crew survived.
148 StevAAn : Yet firemen are stil working around the flightdeck.....(is also reported live)
149 KL577 : They quote the TK CEO: the victims who died are all passengers; all crew have survived.
150 Speedmarque : You can see blue meal/bar trollies and other gallley equipment in the field near the split at the rear. They have travelled a long way from the galley
151 OA260 : The one thing I will say is Turkish Airlines are handling the situation very well considering. The passenger list and press information is being done
152 FVTu134 : Unfortunately as the reporter (NOS) described, they have brought what I guess is a compressor to free people from the cockpit with air-tools. Don't kn
153 Nicholaschee : RIP to all the victims.
154 OA260 : Another news conference due at 1500 UK Time.
155 Exsr : Thank you!!!! Exactly my thoughts.
156 MadameConcorde : Are they talking about cockpit crew, cabin crew ? I can understand how things can be unclear in such tragic circumsnance.
157 Cmoltay : According to Turkish NTV, an emergency had been declared by the crew before the accident and airport was prepared for an energency landing.
158 Aleksandar : Now that is an important information. Why did they declared emergency? Any news on that? BTW, I just found the names of crew members on Facebook's TH
159 Rquesty : From what I can see and am hearing the plane is along way off the center line......this raises interesting questions about why so far off the runway w
160 Exsr : German medias also say that an emergency landing is confirmed.
161 Ehvk : How can you see the plane is off centerline of the runway. the plane is on the other side of the Highway. no pics with runway visable on it.
162 Post contains links OA260 : CNN Turk have more images here :: http://www.cnnturk.com/fotogaleri/du...agi.iniste.dustu/3494.7/index.html
163 CrimsonNL : I was at school some 7KM away from the crash site, when one of my classmates got a txt that something happend. I checked airliners and there it was...
164 Max777geek : That may sounds reasonable comparing the two sections in the pictures. The cockpit is intact while the tail is destroyed. The fact the cockpit is int
165 SKAirbus : CNN has some of the most sloppy journalism I have ever seen.. especially with regards to this event.. But R.I.P to all those who perished and to those
166 Post contains links and images ENU : Picture taken direct after impact:
167 Tobias2702 : German TV: One engine of the aircraft might have been damaged inflight, but pilot shut down the other one...
168 CrimsonNL : I dont know what thats suposed to mean but arent they reffering to another crash some time back where this happend? (Forgot details, pilot shut down
169 PanHAM : @ SKAirbus, You blame CNN, you should watch one of the German news channels where they have an "expert" from Flieger Revue BSitting about what actuall
170 StevAAn : First thing I thought of when I read your post was the crash of a British Midland 737, where crew shut down the wrong engine. Also did not make it to
171 Vfw614 : The TK press release mentions 7 crew - how does that add up? The Facebook list contains 9 crew members, 4 of those pilots. What would be, by the way,
172 OA260 : The pictures that CNN Turk of close ups of the engines are certainly interesting.
173 SKAirbus : Hmmm if that is the case it sounds very similar to the British Midland 737-400 incident at East Midlands in the 80s... although i thought as a result
174 FatmirJusufi : OMG!
175 Tobias2702 : German / Dutch TV: according to tower emergency was declared prior to landing; passenger speaks of heavy vibrations when still in air
176 Robcol99 : So I guess that German TV interviewed the dead pilot. Or actually got a hold of the FDR before the authorities and decoded it using metaphysics. Toda
177 FatmirJusufi : Is there to be soon another official press conference release?
178 456 : On dutch televesion, which is broadcasting live the whole time, they still saying that a rescue team is still trying to get people out. They can see h
179 Tobias2702 : German TV: Tent build up around cockpit section of crashed a/c, so quite likely at least one cockpit crew dead
180 456 : 4pm CET
181 Skippy777 : Both Pilots got killed. They are still onboard and they are working on them to get them out
182 FatmirJusufi : Thanks.
183 Aleksandar : Trust me, I don't know either, but if someone of Turkish A.netters could clarify this, that would be nice
184 Spacecadet : Well, for one, it sounds like there was an emergency declared. But in a situation like that, where an engine separates at a critical part of the flig
185 Post contains links and images OA260 : Engine shot ::
186 Petertenthije : That tent was a tent from the forensic investigators. Since the tent was next to the plane, not near the cockpit, I think it is more likely they are
187 Mir : THEORY: Perhaps it was a deadheading pilot. The 737 shouldn't have more than six crewmembers normally - two pilots and four FAs (unless TK goes with
188 Post contains links Beagleboys : Looking to photos of the tail: it looks like that the "separation area" are in the toilet zone. So, MAYBE the crew that was seating there is alive, ba
189 Post contains links FVTu134 : Looking at following map, the aircraft site is quite a bit off from the runway centre line... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7910215.stm
190 FatmirJusufi : CNN now reports for twenty-five people seriously injured.
191 Speedmarque : Wonder why both blended winglets are damaged? Have they snapped under stress of impact as the damage seems to be in the same place both sides.
192 Post contains images OA260 :
193 Cmoltay : Pilot ve murettabat listesi = Pilot and crew list Kabin ekibi = cabin crew
194 KL577 : No, the BBC is using an outdated map:
195 CURLYHEADBOY : Have there ever been a happy day for post accident journalism? Now, seriously, the "wrong engine shut down" thing is totally senseless.
196 Post contains links Kyu : There is a statement on the boeing website. Check http://boeing.com/news/releases/2009/q1/090225b_nr.html[Edited 2009-02-25 06:09:25][Edited 2009-02-
197 Tobias2702 : German TV: AMS tower confirmes that emergency was decleared prior to crash due to engine problems, airport prepared for emergency landing.
198 FatmirJusufi : " target=_blank>http://boeing.com/news/releases/2009...html. Sorry, Kyu but that was not my quote regarding with Boeing! Maybe you made a tiny mistak
199 Post contains links MadameConcorde : I am not sure if this crash site video was already posted in the two accident threads. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GnR5ZBcgs8
200 747ata32 : Anyone noticed that none of the slides have deployed? Looking at a few highres photo's, you can see the activation bars of the slides still in place w
201 StevAAn : No it is not....the Poderbaan is just not pictured on that map..
202 Post contains links HB-IWC : Please continue the discussion in the third installment of this topic which may be found here: TK B738 Crash At Amsterdam - Part 3 This thread is now
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