San747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4934 posts, RR: 13 Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1510 times:
Wow... they say the dropoff is so severe that one of their terminals would no longer be needed! I know ONT is small, but I never thought it would lose so much service such that it could operate out of one terminal again...
PSA53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3004 posts, RR: 4 Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1471 times:
Quoting San747 (Reply 1):
Wow... they say the dropoff is so severe that one of their terminals would no longer be needed! I know ONT is small, but I never thought it would lose so much service such that it could operate out of one terminal again...
ONT,as you know,had a massive expansion to handle the Inland Empire(IE) growing traffic as the boom in the housing industry lead the way in the country in the early part of the decade.Now.we have the dubious distinction of leading the nation in housing foreclosures with ONT,to say the least,has suffered under these tough economic times.
Avent From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1397 times:
Well, here's a chart showing the 2008 (green) total ops plaotted over the 2007 ops(blue.) 2008 started out holding its own but entered a slide to result in a drop of about 20% by yearsw end.
Uber geeks can see this split out into the various flight operations components at:
Another notable ONT trend is that local civil ops are only about 20% of what they were 4 or 5 years ago, and while the level of activity is hardly going to impact terminal use, it might be the 'canary in the mine.'
Juventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2 Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1379 times:
L.A's mayor is trying hard to divert some of the traffic away from LAX. He's trying to recruit airlines to ONT, mainly to alleviate LAX.
He's getting nowhere, and fast. Allegiant just announced a bunch of routes out of LAX.
San747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4934 posts, RR: 13 Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1277 times:
Yeah, I know there's been some sort of "campaign" to get more/new airlines at ONT, especially internationally, but nothing seems to have come of it. Where's TACA and Interjet?
The only new service seems to be Great Lakes on their B1900Ds...
77411 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 152 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1267 times:
Quoting Juventus (Reply 4): L.A's mayor is trying hard to divert some of the traffic away from LAX. He's trying to recruit airlines to ONT, mainly to alleviate LAX.
If he is serious about diverting traffic to ONT then LAWA should lower the cost of doing business at the airport. ONT has high landing fees and rent. Throw in lower fares compared to other nearby airports and I don't blame airlines for moving equipment out of the airport and using it at other airports where they can make more money. At the rate things are going economy wise and if things don't start turning, UPS may be the only operator you see at the facility. Which is a dam shame I enjoy flying out of ONT instead of the big cr*p hole next to the sea.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22023 posts, RR: 51 Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1158 times:
Quoting WhatUsaid (Thread starter): Pretty dismal news for ONT, as airlines continue to pull back
Don't forget the important fact that ONT boardings got what was basically an artificial boost in 2007 and early 2008 via the ill conceived ExpressJet branded ops.
Removing XJT, the airport returns to a more normal traffic level, albeit suffering from the economic downturn.
Quoting 77411 (Reply 6): ONT has high landing fees and rent.
ONT rates are lower then LAX, so not sure what you term 'high'
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
FX1816 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 5 Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 968 times:
Quoting 77411 (Reply 6): At the rate things are going economy wise and if things don't start turning, UPS may be the only operator you see at the facility.
I highly doubt this as WN has a ton of flights out of ONT and besides, the big drop at ONT is also being felt around the country and the world. I would expect to see ONT, along with many others, to come back in about 12-18 months. I do agree with....
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 8): Don't forget the important fact that ONT boardings got what was basically an artificial boost in 2007 and early 2008 via the ill conceived ExpressJet branded ops.
Removing XJT, the airport returns to a more normal traffic level, albeit suffering from the economic downturn.
The experiment that was Express Jet branded ops really inflated the stats for the second half of 2007 and first half of 2008. I haven't worked at ONT in a bout a year but when I do check up on it, it still looks like ONT will hold it's own with all of the other carriers that operate there.
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