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NW / DL Schedule Changes April 1  
User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3834 posts, RR: 7
Posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 11301 times:

I noticed that on April 1st, ROA-DTW will be going from 2x CRJ, 1x SF3 to all CRJ. Also, CRW-DTW is going to 2x CRJ, 1x SF3, up from 2 saabs and an RJ.

There's got to be some other changes on that day with the shifting around of the saabs. Does anyone else know of any?

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User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2011 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 11224 times:

I thought the changes were going into effect April 6...did they move them up a few days? None the less good news for CRW.

TOL goes from 2x CRJ and 2x Saab 340 to 3x CRJ and 3x Saab 340 (last time I looked yesterday).


User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3834 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 11135 times:



Quoting Flyinryan99 (Reply 1):
I thought the changes were going into effect April 6...did they move them up a few days? None the less good news for CRW.

I looked at the schedules and saw it starting April 1.


User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6608 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 10773 times:

LAX-NRT goes from 744 to 332 eff 29Mar09

The777Man



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User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3955 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 10314 times:

April 1st sees the MEM-TLH (1 daily r/t) and the TLH-MCO/TPA/FLL flights begin. It's probably more route shuffling to accomodate the ATL flying as well... not to mention more realigning with CVG.

User currently offlineNjdevilsin03 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 731 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 9436 times:

Looks like FLL-LGA is switching from Delta metal to NW metal April 1st...
Two times daily with a319 aircraft.



717, 727, 731, 732, 733, 734, 735, 73G, 738, 752, 753, 762, 763, 777, DC9, MD80, DC10, L1011, ERJ, CRJ, ATR, DH8, A300,
User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9577 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 9431 times:

Should be noted JFK-VCE and JFK-ATH will NOT go to A333s after all. DL will now move the 333 to JFK-FCO and that is all. VCE/ATH will stay 767.


yep.
User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7557 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 9072 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 6):
Should be noted JFK-VCE and JFK-ATH will NOT go to A333s after all. DL will now move the 333 to JFK-FCO and that is all. VCE/ATH will stay 767.

Where are you seeing this, according to the schedules its still showing 333's for this summer on both the VCE and ATH routes.

But here is something interesting for JFK-FCO this summer:

1. DL 8189 JFKFCO 4:55P 7:20A 764 DL8189 OPERATED NEW: Thomsonfly (United Kingdom)">BY NEW ALITALIA
2. DL 148 JFKFCO 5:20P 8:25A 767
3. DL 168 JFKFCO 7:20P 10:30A 767
4. DL 8151 JFKFCO 9:55P 12:05P 777 DL8151 OPERATED NEW: Thomsonfly (United Kingdom)">BY NEW ALITALIA

So my question is, when did Alitalia get the 764. Also note DL has 2x daily from JFK, meaning they will have 1x DTW, 2x JFK, 1x ATL the DTW and ATL are A333's and the JFK are 763's.



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9577 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8938 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 7):
Where are you seeing this, according to the schedules its still showing 333's for this summer on both the VCE and ATH routes.

give it time give it time, Should be coming out soon, unless they change it again LMAO.



yep.
User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8906 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8904 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 7):
So my question is, when did Alitalia get the 764.

Alitalia has two different configurations for their 767-300s - one is coded 767, the other 764.


User currently offlineNW From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 152 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8836 times:



Quoting The777Man (Reply 3):
LAX-NRT goes from 744 to 332 eff 29Mar09

This has been canceled along with HNL/NRT; both will remain a 744. NW68 DTW/AMS will operate at a 333 instead of a 744 this summer.


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9577 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8772 times:



Quoting NW (Reply 10):
This has been canceled along with HNL/NRT; both will remain a 744. NW68 DTW/AMS will operate at a 333 instead of a 744 this summer.

HNL-NRT will still be 2x daily right? 1x 333 1x 744?



yep.
User currently offlineNW From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 152 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8719 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 11):
HNL-NRT will still be 2x daily right? 1x 333 1x 744?

Correct.
NW21 332
NW29 744 instead of a 332


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7557 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8686 times:



Quoting NW (Reply 10):
This has been canceled along with HNL/NRT; both will remain a 744. NW68 DTW/AMS will operate at a 333 instead of a 744 this summer.

Perhaps Delta is realizing that NW did in fact know what they were doing the whole time?



"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8906 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8626 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 13):

Perhaps Delta is realizing that NW did in fact know what they were doing the whole time?

Part of it has to deal with the economy - trans-Atlantic travel is being hit particularly hard right now, so it's better to use the capacity in the somewhat healthier (key word somewhat) Pacific markets right now...


User currently offlineCrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1938 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 8560 times:

NW...You seem to be someone "in the know", at NWA...I would like to ask you a question; I and very happy to see that the 744 has been reinstated on the LAX-NRT route. According to the schedule online, it appears that the A332 will take over on 29 March for a few months, but come June, it shifts back to a 744. Now, I still have dilemma that perhaps you can shed some light on. Since I originate out of LAS, NWA is now routing me through PDX or SLC, because I am a Business Class passenger. With the discontinuation of the A319/320 on the LAS-LAX route and no mainline DL or NW service on this route, it will not fare me through LAX, because of the lack of C class availability. According to today's online schedule, there is no service on NW/DL between LAS-LAX from 01 April until July. Come July, there is only one evening CRJ900 operated by Skywest showing. I thought DL/NW was going to keep some sort of feed in the a.m. on the LAS-LAX run or is this officially done? Do you see things possibly changing?

If I want to fly the 744 LAX-NRT post 01 April, I now have to purchase a separate LAS-LAX-LAS roundtrip on another carrier, which is not only an additional expense, but a logistics hassle too. Thank you for your help..


User currently offlineNW From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 152 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 8549 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 13):
Perhaps Delta is realizing that NW did in fact know what they were doing the whole time?

Not sure about that yet, we can only hope! I still can't believe they took away the A320 on the LAX/LAS route and now it does not even connect to NRT.


User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3955 posts, RR: 28
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8301 times:

Yes... it does seems that DL is pulling its blinders off and realizing that NWA actually runs an efficient airline. They're also realizing that the Pacific network is an animal in itself and perhaps consulting NWA employees that deal with the Pacific network might be a good idea. Getting the 333 off of JFK-VCE/ATH and subsequently MSP-JFK as well as the reversions in the Pacific schedule are only the first step.

User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7557 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8227 times:



Quoting Azjubilee (Reply 17):
Yes... it does seems that DL is pulling its blinders off and realizing that NWA actually runs an efficient airline.

Well efficiency and baggage handling is right on Deltanet, Day after day, NW beats DL hands down in just about every category, Completion factor, on time departures, on time arrivals, load factor, and halves delta in lost bags. 2.5 compared to 4.8 or something like that. This one made me chuckle because it reminded me of
Dont
Expect
Luggage
To
Arrive



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User currently offlineBrandonfs88 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 177 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8198 times:

How did TOL get upgraded to RJs?

User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3955 posts, RR: 28
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days ago) and read 8167 times:

Burnsie... we can take the efficiency concept to the next level. In addition to ontime performance, bags and completion, they tail route efficiently, onboard service is efficient and many other areas of our red tails. I do think DL realizes this and hopefully DL will embrace at least some of it. I won't hold my breath though.

User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10533 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7983 times:



Quoting The777Man (Reply 3):
LAX-NRT goes from 744 to 332 eff 29Mar09

It goes back to a 744, effective 1June



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User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3834 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7826 times:



Quoting Brandonfs88 (Reply 19):
How did TOL get upgraded to RJs?

One of the DL planners changed the aircraft from saabs to rjs.


User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3128 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7753 times:



Quoting NW (Reply 16):
Not sure about that yet, we can only hope! I still can't believe they took away the A320 on the LAX/LAS route and now it does not even connect to NRT.

This problem will soon be solved when SLC-NRT begins... offering all kinds of connections to LAS

'902



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23155 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7683 times:



Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 27):
This problem will soon be solved when SLC-NRT begins... offering all kinds of connections to LAS

It's already solved-- there are easy connections over PDX and SEA on AS.

AS619 LAS 0915 SEA 1157 739 Daily
NW7 SEA 1415 NRT 1640+1 333 Daily

NW8 NRT 1550 SEA 0855 333 Daily
AS604 SEA 1040 LAS 1414 739 Daily



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25 Isitsafenow : From past to present, if NW can fly the 727, A320, A319, and DC9-50 between FNT and DTW, they can operate an RJ between TOL and DTW....pretty close t
26 The777Man : Thanks for letting me know; just saw that it changed to a 332 and didn't know it was going back to a 744. Nice ! I get more chances to see DL 744s! T
27 Toltommy : Thats a bit simplistic. NW at TOL serves business travellers. The locals drive to DTW chasing cheap fares, or think connecting flights are for losers
28 CompensateMe : Like withdrawing from the market after dropping service to ATL & CVG? NW has served TOL with CRJ before, only to return to all-SF3 service. DL has a
29 Brandonfs88 : I wish they would show some love to MQT with some RJs
30 NW : The NW service should be there through 03JUN, there are a few dates between now and then that are sold out. DL begins the route with the CRJ900 on JU
31 Crownvic : NW..I find it hard to believe that they only want to feed the evening Sydney flight. Hopefully they will rethink this and add a morning run too.
32 PSU.DTW.SCE : NW is adding a 10th daily (weekdays) DTW-LGA flight effective in April. The flight is very well timed - adding a new morning departure from DTW, depar
33 SkyguyB727 : Burnsie, I just heard a few days ago that those flights are staying with DL metal now.
34 EXAAUADL : No kidding I couldnt believe they were going to put a 333 on LAX-NRT. LAX-Asia is a huge cargo market. That plus all the LAX-NRT-MNL pax carrying the
35 Rsrik : Hey NW, Is this new? I believe NW21 has been A333, is that changing to A332? I flew that route on Feb 8, '09. Also, I thought NW 29 has always been 7
36 OA412 : It should be hard to believe given that the plan was to operate LAX-NRT with a 332 not a 333.
37 KaiGywer : I was just in CRW a couple of weeks ago. Love flying the Saab into CRW....who needs rollercoasters?
38 Johns624 : Also, the KLM 332 between AMS-DTW has reverted to a NW 333. I'm not sure of the effective date, but I'm flying on it at the beginning of June.
39 Burnsie28 : Yeah, this was a rather large profit margin route for NW, and yet DL is cutting it to grab the few people that want to go to Sydney, there are a lot
40 CompensateMe : Historically the LAS/LAX flight is comprised of Asian-based passengers traveling on cheap tickets (in fact, at one time NW had an interpreter on this
41 Cubsrule : ...and to the extent that it DOES still need the LAS passengers, they have three other good options (PDX, SEA, SLC).
42 NW : You're correct...these were scheduled changes to take place that have been reverted back. Basically not taking place.
43 RwSEA : Just thinking here... let's assume that the LAX-NRT segment had 100 pax continuing to LAS. Surely SLC could absorb these pax, and maybe PDX. There's
44 Cubsrule : Agreed, and I think you've got the order in which DL would try to use the 3 cities right. It may be, too, that they want to reduce somewhat the amoun
45 CompensateMe : These passengers are largely traveling on bulk tickets -- not the types of passengers/revenues the "new" Delta is targeting. Ultimately DL may feel t
46 KcrwFlyer : We've got quite the ride on approach sometimes. If you enojyed the ride in on XJ, you should catch the last flight in from DCA or IAD one night. The
47 CompensateMe : And Newark isn't in New York, what's your point? (But Michigan did get the U.P. for dropping its claims to Toledo... and there was a forever ongoing
48 KcrwFlyer : My point was that if Toledo were in Michigan, NW would have likely made more of an effort there, as they've done and had success with in FNT and LAN.
49 CompensateMe : NW never made much of an "effort" in FNT until AirTran (and later on additional carriers) arrived and NW traffic started leaking into FNT. I guarante
50 JBo : Yes, but MQT is in da U.P., eh, and I don't think there's enough population up there to support a DC-9. Furthermore, even though the airport itself (
51 Mayor : Wasn't that K.I. Sawyer AFB? Did North Central ever fly in there, maybe with a Convair 580?[Edited 2009-03-04 13:59:44]
52 HermansCVR580 : Yes the former MQT airport before Sawyer AFB did get service by both DC-9 and Convair 580 from North Central.
53 Brandonfs88 : USA Jet has brought the DC-9 up there a few times on charter flight for University of Michigan Hockey team. Im not sure on the ARFF Coverage there bu
54 KingAir200 : They already are. Evidently though they haven't decided to make that many changes to the domestic network.
55 Burnsie28 : That was the NCAA's doing, not Michigan, charters are handled by the NCAA, such as flights to the Frozen four, the NCAA sets that up and the teams do
56 Cubsrule : What's your point? Clearly, the airport can handle -9s, at least on a non-scheduled basis. Other things being equal, one of the things that might kee
57 Aviationfreak : Any changes to AMS flight schedules? DL has 2 flights a day in winter and 3 in summer. NW Has a lot. Sander
58 Iowaman : Looks like DSM-LGA is going to 2x this summer as well.
59 Brandonfs88 : Yeah, and plus all of XJ 200 crews are MSP based so we can kiss away an upgrade in equipment...
60 PSU.DTW.SCE : That doesn't mean anything, there are several DTW routes flown by XJ 200's with MSP-based crews.
61 KingAir200 : As PSU said, they do some DTW flying too. ROC and AZO seem to be good for at least one CXJ per day throughout the schedule changes. Besides, they cou
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