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VS A380 Order-Deferred Beyond 2013?  
User currently offlineCerecl From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 726 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 5 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6020 times:

I tried to clarify the issue in the last A380 cancellation/order thread before it was archived. Anyway, several members have remarked that more recently VS has delayed their A380 deliveries beyond 2013 (initially announced in 2006). However I cannot recall ever reading about it, nor was I unable to find any report about it.
If anyone could shed more light on this issue it will be much appreciated. Kindly provide a link to your source.

Note: this is an attempt to catch up with or clarify a specific question, please do not turn it into a "Will anyone cancel/defer/order A380s' thread

Thank you!

[Edited 2009-02-26 01:57:09]

[Edited 2009-02-26 01:57:33]

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User currently offlineArabAirX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 19 hours ago) and read 5551 times:

Not sure if VS defered beyond 2013 but the Times has a good piece below:

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...tors/engineering/article615079.ece


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 18 hours ago) and read 5462 times:

I read these rumors hear too but have never seen anything to back it up. AFAIK, 2013 is still the year they planned on. The fact that it's 1 year after the London Olympics does make me pause and wonder what the true fate is, because in my mind they would either push to move up the orders if they really want them, or push them back/cancel if they don't really want them...


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User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3535 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 17 hours ago) and read 5302 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 2):
I read these rumors hear too but have never seen anything to back it up. AFAIK, 2013 is still the year they planned on. The fact that it's 1 year after the London Olympics does make me pause and wonder what the true fate is, because in my mind they would either push to move up the orders if they really want them, or push them back/cancel if they don't really want them...

What difference would the Olympics make to when VS would want these planes ? Its a one off event, with strictly limited numbers of extra passengers, few of whom are likely to be travelling on a UK airline on the routes VS flies.
FR & U2 will probably carry more pasengers for the Olympics than all the other airlines combined !!!


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 16 hours ago) and read 5201 times:



Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 3):
What difference would the Olympics make to when VS would want these planes ? Its a one off event, with strictly limited numbers of extra passengers, few of whom are likely to be travelling on a UK airline on the routes VS flies.

For the same reason the Chinese carriers wanted the 787 before the Olympics. Publicity.

And because, despite what you are saying, there will be an influx of passengers for the Olympics, many of them from the USA where VS does fly, and being able to use A380s into slot limited LHR would be beneficial.

But mainly the point is this: if you are going to take them in 2013 anyway, why wouldn't you want them in 2012 to be used more effectively during this peak time? That's why BA chose for the A380 to arrive before the Olympics.

But you are welcome to your opinion. I simply don't agree that the Olympics have no bearing on decisions made by VS or BA.



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User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3535 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 16 hours ago) and read 5174 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 4):
Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 3):
What difference would the Olympics make to when VS would want these planes ? Its a one off event, with strictly limited numbers of extra passengers, few of whom are likely to be travelling on a UK airline on the routes VS flies.

For the same reason the Chinese carriers wanted the 787 before the Olympics. Publicity.

And because, despite what you are saying, there will be an influx of passengers for the Olympics, many of them from the USA where VS does fly, and being able to use A380s into slot limited LHR would be beneficial.

But mainly the point is this: if you are going to take them in 2013 anyway, why wouldn't you want them in 2012 to be used more effectively during this peak time? That's why BA chose for the A380 to arrive before the Olympics.

But you are welcome to your opinion. I simply don't agree that the Olympics have no bearing on decisions made by VS or BA.

However BA have bought the bragging rights for London 2012, so in all likelihood SRB will pretend they aren't even taking place.

As for lots of extra passengers, London Hotels are usually near enough full in August anyway, so any increase in Olympic headed passengers, is likely to be negated by those who choose not to travel in order to avoid it.

Here in the UK, the taxpayers are gradually realising that we would have been better off losing the bidding war, and the great "olympic boost" to the economy is a pipe dream.


User currently offlineSabenapilot From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 2714 posts, RR: 47
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 16 hours ago) and read 5138 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 4):
I simply don't agree that the Olympics have no bearing on decisions made by VS or BA.

Nobody is going to sign up to a decade long commitment by buying a fleet of VLAs (or in fact any other plane) just for a 3-week long event...

What is true is that airlines who have bought a fleet that makes good sense in normal situations already, certainly won't mind getting them in time to cover a known but temporarily higher demand on the routes they've ordered these planes for.

But to say that if the fleet doesn't arrive on time for the event, they won't need it any longer, sounds pretty naive to me, unless you truely believe one can recover the costs of operating an A380 for 10 years (or more) from the extra revenues it can generate over a period of just a few weeks or months... Somehow I don't think you'd want to give the superjumbo that much credit, do you?  Smile


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 16 hours ago) and read 5086 times:



Quoting Sabenapilot (Reply 6):
Nobody is going to sign up to a decade long commitment by buying a fleet of VLAs (or in fact any other plane) just for a 3-week long event...

It's a good thing I never suggested they would.



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User currently offlineSpeedmarque From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3658 times:

Just my 2p

VS will never get the A380. They have had their publicity regarding being the order that clinched the launch and many pictures in press of the aircraft in their livery. Job done.


User currently offlineCerecl From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 726 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3305 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 2):
AFAIK, 2013 is still the year they planned on

It does appear to be the case. Thanks to everyone who replied and stayed on topic. Can we expect no future claim on this forum that VS has delayed delivery of A380 to after 2013? Somehow I doubt it  Wink


User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2011 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3191 times:



Quoting Speedmarque (Reply 8):
Just my 2p

VS will never get the A380. They have had their publicity regarding being the order that clinched the launch and many pictures in press of the aircraft in their livery. Job done.

Well it's not THAT unlikely, a major 744 operator is an obvious candidate for the A380, especially when their home base is slot restricted and likely to remain so for the next decade.

Yes they are no doubt struggling at the moment, but then all long haul carriers are in a similar position.



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