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Air Canada's Increase In Deep South America  
User currently offlineThestooges From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5796 times:

About this time last year I flew on Air Canada flight 92, a 767-300, from YYZ to SCL with continuing serfice onto to EZE and at the same time another AC 767-300 was departing for GRU.

Looking at Air Canada's schedule this year it shows that they now have a 777-300 flying 6 times a from YYZ to GRU, a 767-300 flying to SCL 5 times a week and and now a seperate 767-300 flying just to EZE 5 times a week as well.

I have no idea what the schedules were like a year ago, if AC 92 was in fact daily or just operated 5 days a week or how many days a week the flight to GRU operated. Nonetheless it looks a like very big increase in capacity on AC's deep South American routes, almost double of what they offered a year ago. I can say from my experience that when I flew on AC 92 it was in fact packed to the gills, so it seemed like the market was prime for expansion, however I havn't heard anything about this substantial increase in service.

This seems like a lot of direct capacity between Canada and deep South America, I wonder if a lot of the pax are actually coming from or going to the US and just transiting in YYZ.

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User currently offlineConnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5639 times:

I think when AC92 was YYZ-SCL-EZE it was daily. Now that it's a split, they've gone to 5x for each separate service -- yes, definitely an increase. The upgrade of the YYZ-GRU to a 77W is I believe driven more by freight capacity than by pax. I believe AC is uplifting 20+ tons/flight out of GRU, and likely doing handsomely because of it.

Not so deep South America has seen an upgrade as well, as both YYZ-LIM and YYZ-BOG have gone from the now-retired 762s to 763s.



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User currently offlinePnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2241 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5340 times:

There are some transit passengers taking advantage of the connection and I think this will continue to gradually grow at a steady pace.

The heavy cargo lift of the 777's is what enabled AC to shelve the re-establishment of the cargo fleet. Timing was pretty good with the economy being what it is. It is better economically to fill the belly with as much cargo as possible.plus carry passengers. Once the 787's arrive a pilot told me more ties with South America will happen. He didn't specify whether it was frequency or new cities. A lot can change between now and then.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23014 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5106 times:



Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 1):
I think when AC92 was YYZ-SCL-EZE it was daily. Now that it's a split, they've gone to 5x for each separate service -- yes, definitely an increase.

Didn't it run YYZ-SCL-EZE some days and YYZ-EZE-SCL other days for a while?



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User currently offlineLongHauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4987 posts, RR: 42
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4930 times:



Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 1):
The upgrade of the YYZ-GRU to a 77W is I believe driven more by freight capacity than by pax.

That is what I heard as well ... but today's flight is oversold, as is the return. So, some people are traveling!



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User currently offlineZBBYLW From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 1985 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4789 times:



Quoting LongHauler (Reply 4):
That is what I heard as well ... but today's flight is oversold, as is the return. So, some people are traveling!

They might be filling the seats up at a low profit however just to "fill seats" as long as the weight does not kick of cargo. This flight is much shorter (about 1000 miles) than YVR-HKG which is also flown by the 77W and I do not believe it has any trouble flying that route with a full pay-load. So if it wont cost them much - fill up the seats for a few hundred bucks.



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User currently offlinePlunaaircanada From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3913 times:



Quoting Pnwtraveler (Reply 2):
nce the 787's arrive a pilot told me more ties with South America will happen. He didn't specify whether it was frequency or new cities. A lot can change between now and then.

The will start YYZ-GRU-MVD-GRU-YYZ  yes 
lol I wish!! They probably don't even know where it is in the map
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User currently offlineZBBYLW From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 1985 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3817 times:



Quoting Plunaaircanada (Reply 6):

Once the 787s get here, and providing the economy has improved I could see a YYZ-GIG-YYZ flight. I could also "maybe" see a YVR-GRU-YVR leaving YVR at around noon (connecting with a NRT and a potential reinstated KIX flight) this would arrive in GRU some time around 1700hrs. Then if it were to leave around 1900hrs it could arrive in YVR around 1400hrs. That could be a bit late for a connection back to Japan though.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3199 times:
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Quoting ZBBYLW (Reply 7):
Once the 787s get here, and providing the economy has improved I could see a YYZ-GIG-YYZ flight

It would be a good addition, but only when the economy become stronger. Rio and Toronto has some interesting new ties that for sure will produce a strong result !



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User currently offlineAlianza From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 230 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3156 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 8):
Rio and Toronto has some interesting new ties that for sure will produce a strong result !

Hey, Felipe must have returned from Mardi Gras Carnaval !! Hope it was a safe trip in Rio.


What new ties are you referring to?


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User currently offlineThreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2135 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3112 times:



Quoting ZBBYLW (Reply 7):
I could also "maybe" see a YVR-GRU-YVR leaving YVR at around noon (connecting with a NRT and a potential reinstated KIX flight) this would arrive in GRU some time around 1700hrs. Then if it were to leave around 1900hrs it could arrive in YVR around 1400hrs. That could be a bit late for a connection back to Japan though.

I'd be surprised. The Brazil - western Canada market isn't very strong and Japanese passengers would fly a shorter trip through Toronto.



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User currently offlineZBBYLW From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 1985 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3072 times:



Quoting Threepoint (Reply 10):
I'd be surprised. The Brazil - western Canada market isn't very strong and Japanese passengers would fly a shorter trip through Toronto.

Yea, I thought that it would have been a few hours shorter via YVR, but I guess the difference in the GRU-YYZ/YVR flight is better then the YVR/YYZ-NRT flight would be.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2978 times:
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Quoting Alianza (Reply 9):
Hey, Felipe must have returned from Mardi Gras Carnaval !! Hope it was a safe trip in Rio

In fact i returned to Rio for a while (will depart to NYC this Friday) after visiting IGU and IOS (Itacare in fact... a perfect place!).
About the Carnaval...i was on the samba parade in Sapucai so you may imagine  Smile  Smile  Smile

Quoting Alianza (Reply 9):
What new ties are you referring to?

Vale Inco, service providers for both Vale (Rio) and Vale Inco (Toronto), mining activities, hedge funds, energy and oil.



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User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25332 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2681 times:



Quoting Threepoint (Reply 10):
Quoting ZBBYLW (Reply 7):
I could also "maybe" see a YVR-GRU-YVR leaving YVR at around noon (connecting with a NRT and a potential reinstated KIX flight) this would arrive in GRU some time around 1700hrs. Then if it were to leave around 1900hrs it could arrive in YVR around 1400hrs. That could be a bit late for a connection back to Japan though.

I'd be surprised. The Brazil - western Canada market isn't very strong and Japanese passengers would fly a shorter trip through Toronto.

NRT-YYZ-GRU is only 36 nm shorter than NRT-YVR-GRU. That's meaningless on a 10,000 nm route. However I agree it makes much more sense to operate via YYZ as there would be almost no high yield business traffic YVR-GRU.


User currently offlineThreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2135 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2423 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 13):

NRT-YYZ-GRU is only 36 nm shorter than NRT-YVR-GRU. That's meaningless on a 10,000 nm route.

True. And true.

I must have been thinking about another route to and from Japan. Hmmm.



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User currently offlinePnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2241 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2403 times:

My Dad used to fly to Sao Paulo quite often and the flights were always fairly busy. The number of Latin Americans coming to Toronto keeps growing and there seems to be a lot of Mexican and South American Investment coming to the city. One outcome is finally real restaurants not just some TexMex sold as Mexican or South American. The cargo trade is also increasing at a good rate.

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