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BA Withdraws LCY-DUB (Last Ireland Service)  
User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2531 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5183 times:

From BA.com

BA CityFlyer have announced they are to withdraw services between London City airport and Dublin with effect Monday 2 March 2009.
Customers due to travel between 2 - 28 March 2009 inclusive will be rebooked as follows:
- Customers from BA8461/3/5 will be rebooked onto BA8080/2/6 respectively from Gatwick to Dublin.
- Customers from BA8462/4/6 will be rebooked onto BA8081/3/7 respectively from Dublin to Gatwick.


Customers due to travel on cancelled services from 29 March 2009 onwards are entitled to a full refund to the original form of payment only as there is no alternative available for these customers.


This comes as a surprise. BA won't have any linke to Ireland anymore after also axing LGW-DUB.
BA has axed WAW lately as well. What's BA's strategy then at LCY?


Next flights : BRU-ZRH-CAI (LX)/ BRU-FCO-TLV (AZ)
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User currently offlinePurpleBox From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 325 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5134 times:

It may be down to a shortage of aircraft - two nose wheel collapses this month and the Flightline aircraft left suddenly at the end of last year.

PurpleBox.



Next Flights:STH-ATH-STN (A3), BHX-INV-BHX(BE), LCY-FRA-BOG(LH), EZE-FRA-LHR(LH)
User currently offlinePilot21 From Ireland, joined Oct 1999, 1386 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5042 times:



Quoting AIR MALTA (Thread starter):
What's BA's strategy then at LCY?

It may also be down to loads - I had heard the load factor wasn't great, and with the economic downturn - the price difference on an LCY-DUB fare and STN-DUB fare with FR is just so great - people have to opt for the cheaper services.

The flight times weren't that great either with the last Dublin bound flight leaving at 16.50 from LCY meaning business people have to cut short their day.

Cityjet will be glad of the break I'm sure, but a real pity that BA have pulled out of Ireland again.

Pilot21



Aircraft I've flown: A300/A310/A320/A321/A330/A340/B727/B732/B733/B734/B735/B738/B741/B742/B744/DC10/MD80/IL62/Bae146/AR
User currently offlineJWMD123 From Ireland, joined May 2006, 867 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4985 times:



Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 2):
The flight times weren't that great either with the last Dublin bound flight leaving at 16.50 from LCY meaning business people have to cut short their day.

This I think has been an issue which has affected loads.

WX's timetable is a lot better.

Real shame that BA will no longer have an Irish-UK route anymore.


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7428 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4950 times:

This is a very surprising decision ... AF (via CityJet) operates 5 x Daily on LCY-DUB and the route is very profitable.

User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2531 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4837 times:



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 4):
This is a very surprising decision ... AF (via CityJet) operates 5 x Daily on LCY-DUB and the route is very profitable.

BA have missed many opportunities at LCY. They could have bought VLM or ScottAirways and benefited from loads of slots.

AF were quicker there where they are now the biggest operator.



Next flights : BRU-ZRH-CAI (LX)/ BRU-FCO-TLV (AZ)
User currently offlinePurpleBox From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 325 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4790 times:

Given the current economic climate does anybody know what will happen to the NYC service supposed to start latter this year?

PurpleBox.



Next Flights:STH-ATH-STN (A3), BHX-INV-BHX(BE), LCY-FRA-BOG(LH), EZE-FRA-LHR(LH)
User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4073 posts, RR: 33
Reply 7, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4737 times:



Quoting PurpleBox (Reply 6):
Given the current economic climate does anybody know what will happen to the NYC service supposed to start latter this year?

At present it is going ahead.


User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2531 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4707 times:



Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 7):
At present it is going ahead.

I think this service to New York should be a success because there is enough J point to point between London and JFK. I don't know if the product would be the same as the new Club Workd but BA shouldn't deviate too much from that product.

Can this service be used by connecting passengers at LCY (GLA, EDI, AMS, ZRH, etc...)?

If the market gets weaker, BA could even reduce LHR-JFK capacity.



Next flights : BRU-ZRH-CAI (LX)/ BRU-FCO-TLV (AZ)
User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4927 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4406 times:



Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 8):
If the market gets weaker, BA could even reduce LHR-JFK capacity.

That is indeed under consideration
http://www.uk-airport-news.info/heathrow-airport-news-240109a.html



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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7428 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3870 times:

LCY-JFK would be a success for sure and a money maker IF it could be operated nonstop both ways.

I am still very skeptical on how the PAX will react to the LCY-SNN-JFK flight ... as this "unpleasant" stop will kill most of the advantages of using LCY instead of LHR or LGW.

Time will tell ....


User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3929 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3780 times:



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 10):
I am still very skeptical on how the PAX will react to the LCY-SNN-JFK flight ... as this "unpleasant" stop will kill most of the advantages of using LCY instead of LHR or LGW.

I think you have a point. I suspect that the JFK-LCY flight will be quite popular, people can arrive back in, or into, the city having had a full nights sleep and go straight to work. LCY-JFK may be poular enough with Americans returning back, negating the need to go out to LHR. UK based People might work all day in the city and then catch the NY flight - if the schedule allows it? Otherwise I suspect they would be more likely to work from home in the morning and catch a mid-day flight from LHR, LGW and have the late afternoon/evening to play with in NY?

Brian.



Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
User currently offlineHotelmode From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 460 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3689 times:



Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 11):



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 10):
I am still very skeptical on how the PAX will react to the LCY-SNN-JFK flight ... as this "unpleasant" stop will kill most of the advantages of using LCY instead of LHR or LGW.

The very short check in time at LCY and not needing to pass through immigration on arrival make up for the tech stop issue in spades. Office to Office/hotel LCY-JFK will still be substantially quicker for anyone in the city or docklands.


User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3576 times:



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 10):
as this "unpleasant" stop will kill most of the advantages of using LCY instead of LHR or LGW.

Can you please explain what you're referring to with SNN being an "unpleasant" stop? It most certainly will not "kill" any of your perceived 'advantages' in the slightest and will be a faster method that LHR/LGW- NYC.


User currently offlineShamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4227 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3552 times:



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 10):
LCY-JFK would be a success for sure and a money maker IF it could be operated nonstop both ways.

I am still very skeptical on how the PAX will react to the LCY-SNN-JFK flight ... as this "unpleasant" stop will kill most of the advantages of using LCY instead of LHR or LGW.

I think once the pax experience clearing US immigration and customs formalities in a matter of about 5 minutes, and then being quickly on their way, they wont be thinking of the stop as unpleasant at all.

SNN is uncongested and easy to use, and Im sure BA will be arranging for use of the gate most convenient to US immigration facilities to speed transit.



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User currently offlineRaffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1718 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3501 times:

Gosh, there is so much capacity on the London to Dublin route, I don't think BA's service will inconvenience that many. You can fly from Stansted which isn't that far away. Or Heathrow


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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3488 times:

hello:

Does OneWorld serve LON-Ireland at all?


User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3258 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3459 times:

With BA withdrawing from the LCY-DUB there would be no OneWorld metal flying between London and the Republic of Ireland. BA still codeshares on EI services from LHR so there is an indirect OneWorld presence on the route still.

All things being equal, the growth of FR and the presence of CityJet with its competing LCY services have unseated BA from the Irish market altogether.

TrinToCan.



Hop to it, fly for life!
User currently offlineShamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4227 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3458 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 16):
hello:

Does OneWorld serve LON-Ireland at all?

Only now via Codehare. BA codeshares on LHR-DUB, and I believe is to codeshare with EI on the LGW-DUB service also.

Ireland is so low fare competitive, it is hard for anyone apart from EI and FR to make money on short haul, especially in these tough economic times.

Despite being offline from the end of March, Ireland is a big market for BA accounting for some 10% of revenue due to Irish pax connecting onto long haul services from LHR.



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 19, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3458 times:



Quoting Trintocan (Reply 17):
All things being equal, the growth of FR and the presence of CityJet with its competing LCY services have unseated BA from the Irish market altogether.

How is BA doing in the other markets it operates from LCY such as AMS and MAD? We have to remember that BA is a new player in the LCY market.

Rgs,


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7428 posts, RR: 57
Reply 20, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3316 times:



Quoting AirNZ (Reply 13):
Can you please explain what you're referring to with SNN being an "unpleasant" stop?

SNN is not "unpleasant" in itself. There is nothing "unpleasant" in Ireland actually ... but what is unpleasant is to make an enroute stop (wherever it can be) on a LON-NYC flight.


User currently offlineRaffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1718 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3271 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 19):
We have to remember that BA is a new player in the LCY market.

They've been operating from LCY for almost 7 years already so you would have thought they'd established their routes!



Happy -go- lucky kinda guy!
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26021 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3099 times:



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 10):
I am still very skeptical on how the PAX will react to the LCY-SNN-JFK flight ... as this "unpleasant" stop will kill most of the advantages of using LCY instead of LHR or LGW.

I think you will find that the target market for this service will disagree with you. Being able to depart/arrive at LCY where you can check in 15 or 20 minutes before flight departure, and be out of the airport 5 minutes after your flight lands on arrival, will prove very attractive. And LCY is very close to Canary Wharf where much of the financial industry is located, and it's muc closer to the so-called "City" where most of the rest of the banking/finance/insurance industry is based.

Passengers will also pre-clear US arrival formalities during the short SNN fuel stop so will also avoid often long immigration lines on arrival. In my opinion, the SNN stop is a very minor inconvenience and more than offsets the hassles of making the long trek to LHR and the unpleasant congestion and frequent delays.

With only 32 seats on the BA A318s I'm sure they will find more than enough willing customers to achieve economic load factors.


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7742 posts, RR: 17
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2979 times:

I agree with many others that the 20 minute check-in time at LCY compared to 2 hours at LHR would more than compensate for the short SNN refueling stop in most if not all potential passengers minds.

On top of this advantage there will be a maximum of only 31 other passengers queuing at SNN to clear US Immigration compared to the 100s at JFK. Then there is the short taxi ride from your Canary Wharf or City of London office or hotel to LCY compared to at least an hour that you would need to allow to get to LHR.

And then travelling in the other direction you have all of these advantages but no brief SNN stop over to consider.

In terms of passengers the maximum number that will be able to fly with BA on this route on any one day is less than the number of 'J' Class seats on a single BA 744 flight. If it was not for the current economic climate it would seem to me that the main challenge likely to face BA after the introduction of this service would be having to turn too many potential passengers away. But with the reductions in buainess travel particularly in the Finance and Banking Market, it seems to me that September is unlikely to be the best time to launch this service.

Despite this problem I still think that the J Class seats on the 318s will sell at a slight premium compared to those on the LHR-JFK route because the time saving will be significant and time is money. And if the economies in the UK and USA recover relatively quickly I think that that premium will grow.


User currently offlineCospn From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2939 times:

I guess If you have no bags.... all bags will have to be dumped then claimed...go through USA customs in SNN then reload the bags....

UK should look at seting up US Customs at LCY


25 Shamrock604 : The place barely has enough room as it is..... while ideal, I cant see it happening.
26 VV701 : This could be counter productive. If passengers were to clear US Immigration at LCY they would need to check in earlier than 20 minutes before schedu
27 Aerdingus : Things sure have changed up here on Walton's Mountain....
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