El Al 001 From Israel, joined Oct 1999, 1063 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3976 times:
LY also upgraded a lot of destinations with its "738 revolution", some will take effect only at July as the 11th 738 arrives:
BRU goes 9 weekly iso 6
AMS goes 10 weekly iso 7
MXP goes 10 weekly iso 8 (plan for last year was 10 weekly, but ad hoc a lof of flights were xxld)
OTP goes 11 weekly iso 9
ATH goes 5 weekly iso 4
WAW goes 5 weekly iso 4
SXF goes 5 weekly iso 4
MUC goes 5 weekly iso 4
MRS goes 5 weekly iso 4
IAD380 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3811 times:
A worsening global recession and a sharp downturn in travel to Israel in the aftermath of the Gaza war could mean that some of these plans to start flights or upgrade service to TLV may be cancelled or scaled back. I read that travel between TLV and cities in Turkey has drastically decreased because Turkish-Israel relations are rapidly deteriorating. Is TK maintaining or reducing its current flight schedules to TLV? Also, didn't DL cancel plans to add more flights between TLV and JFK, or to deploy a larger airplane on this route?
LuftyMatt From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 407 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3434 times:
Quoting LY777 (Reply 11): This is unbelievable... AF could send daily 1 772 and 1 A320
Maybe they don't have the available aircraft at the moment? Plus there is quite a bit of competition from TLV to Europe too. AF seem to have their own niche with BEY playing an important part of their network. Other European airlines use smaller aircraft there, seems to be vice-versa.
True... So I guess we can't complain about AF's A320 and KLM 73s.
Our neighbors (BEY DAM AMM) do not see LH A346/744, BA 767/777, IB A340, 2 CO 777, 2 DL heavies etc. So each destination and it's own niche and market.
ORD Boy 2 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 276 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3355 times:
I am wondering when we will see UA/AA ever start service to TLV, however, I know AA has that employees case against it in Israel as well as the LY codeshare, and UA feeds Israel with LH and AC (and soon US and CO).
UA -- could start from IAD, and maybe later ORD
AA - Join in from JFK in cooperation with LY and competing with DL, maybe later MIA and ORD???
Probably not anytime soon. I don't expect AA and UA, which have never expressed much interest in flying their own aircraft to TLV to consider this market until long after the current global economic crisis is over. LY probably will resume flights to MIA when the economy improves, and AA will codeshare these flights rather than fly its own aircraft to TLV. ORD-TLV was not a success for LY, and it never offered nonstop flights on this route. There is no evidence that UA or AA are rushing to fill the void that El Al left in ORD, even though it is a hub for both airlines. If TLV-ORD flights resume, LY will probably operate them with an AA codeshare. However, if UA and CO merge, they might seek to launch a new route from a second American city to TLV.
Quoting Amirs (Thread starter): BMI
Adds 2 daily flight starting March , and upgrades to A332 from May.
It will be interesting to see how BA responds to this.
Panamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4728 posts, RR: 26 Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3127 times:
Quoting IAD380 (Reply 7): didn't DL cancel plans to add more flights between TLV and JFK, or to deploy a larger airplane on this route?
The original plan was to add an additional 4x weekly service (for a total of 11x weekly JFK-TLV) but that is no longer going to happen. Instead, there will be 777 service starting May 21 through the end of June. For May, the 77L will operate JFK-TLV on alternate days starting May 21, with the 77E on the other days. June will see the 77E daily.
I am unaware that El Al flew TLV-ORD nonstop in both directions on a regular basis for a long period of time. When exactly did LY fly this route nonstop? I recall that this flight almost always stopped in New York, Montreal, Toronto, or for a short time in AMS. Usually, the Chicago tag-on was on a smaller aircraft.
Theres no such thing as that
From my understanding when AA bought TWA there was a HUGE mess in TLV so it would be very expensive for AA to go back.
And even if, I mean IF they did go back they would easily drop LY, they dont need them LY needs AA not vice versa.
25 TodaReisinger: Since it's the Israeli aviation thread and I don't want to start a new thread just for a small question.....here it is: View Large View MediumPhoto &c
26 Amirs: I know for a fact that LY offered TLV - ORD nonstop on 762, in 1999, 2000, 2001. I was a flight attendant back then. I even once operated a TLV - ORD
27 ORD Boy 2: Any Chance LY comes back to Chicago???
28 OHLHD: If you look at the C on the underwing reg you can see a white stripe right above it. Will it be twice daily with the 767 or just 7 per week?