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Israel Aviation Thread (OS, LH, BD, US, AZ, LY)  
User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4638 times:

Hey just wanted to organize all the new airlines flying into israel, new frequencies, upgraded aircrafts and new destinations from TLV.
Most of the info has already been published here.

OS
Upgrades its two daily flights from A321 to 767, with intercontinental configuration.

LH
Will have A340-600 and 744 to FRA, just like last summer plus 4 weekly A340 - 300 on TLV - MUC.

BMI
Adds 2 daily flight starting March , and upgrades to A332 from May.

US
Daily Philadelphia - TLV with A332 beginning July.

AZ
To add three weekly frequencies from MXP, making in total 21 weekly flights btween ROME/MXP - TLV.

LY
Will start 3 weekly flights to Sao Paulo starting may 2

Sun D'or
Will start scheduled service to Antalya and Zagreb on April 15 , and will fly to Sochi and Larastov soon.

ISR
Will sart scheduled service to MXP and is waiting to get approval for Berlin and Stuttgart.
QUESTION IS WHEN WILL AF/KLM TAKE TLV SERIOUSLY????

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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4533 times:

Jet 2 starting MAN-TLV this summer, initially 1xWeek rising to 2xWeek in the Autumn


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User currently offlineQ120 From Canada, joined Aug 2008, 278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4478 times:

Sounds like good news!


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User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1560 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4420 times:



Quoting Amirs (Thread starter):
To add three weekly frequencies from MXP, making in total 21 weekly flights btween ROME/MXP - TLV.

Is this one of Alitalia's only new expansions?

Quoting Amirs (Thread starter):
Adds 2 daily flight starting March , and upgrades to A332 from May.

Sounds like they're doing fairly well...who flies the BMI route? Mostly Israelis?



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User currently offlineMats From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 625 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4383 times:

What about Korean Air? Hadn't they planned to start service to Tel Aviv?

User currently offlineEl Al 001 From Israel, joined Oct 1999, 1063 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4174 times:

LY also upgraded a lot of destinations with its "738 revolution", some will take effect only at July as the 11th 738 arrives:
BRU goes 9 weekly iso 6
AMS goes 10 weekly iso 7
MXP goes 10 weekly iso 8 (plan for last year was 10 weekly, but ad hoc a lof of flights were xxld)
OTP goes 11 weekly iso 9
ATH goes 5 weekly iso 4
WAW goes 5 weekly iso 4
SXF goes 5 weekly iso 4
MUC goes 5 weekly iso 4
MRS goes 5 weekly iso 4


User currently offlinePutnik From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 228 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4136 times:

Quoting Mats (Reply 4):
What about Korean Air? Hadn't they planned to start service to Tel Aviv?

From what is known, service started last autumn.
KE957 ICN1730 - 2200TLV 747 246
KE958 TLV2345 - 1705+1ICN 747 246

[Edited 2009-02-28 09:17:12]


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User currently offlineIAD380 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4009 times:

A worsening global recession and a sharp downturn in travel to Israel in the aftermath of the Gaza war could mean that some of these plans to start flights or upgrade service to TLV may be cancelled or scaled back. I read that travel between TLV and cities in Turkey has drastically decreased because Turkish-Israel relations are rapidly deteriorating. Is TK maintaining or reducing its current flight schedules to TLV? Also, didn't DL cancel plans to add more flights between TLV and JFK, or to deploy a larger airplane on this route?

User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2952 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3980 times:



Quoting IAD380 (Reply 7):
Is TK maintaining or reducing its current flight schedules to TLV?

no!
they have 25 weekly flights between IST-TLV and they are one of the bigger foreign airlines in TLV


TK 1184 IST 07:30 TLV 09:35 EQV 0 12345-7 02:05 - - 02 Aug 09 Aug
TK 1186 IST 12:10 TLV 14:15 EQV 0 12345-7 02:05 - - 02 Aug 09 Aug
TK 1188 IST 16:20 TLV 18:25 738 0 1234-67 02:05 - - 29 Mar 26 Sep
TK 1192 IST 23:35 TLV 01:40 +1 321 0 1234567 02:05 - - 29 Mar 26 Sep


User currently offlineELAL772 From Israel, joined Jun 2008, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3894 times:

+LY is planning on adding 1 or 2 flights a weeks to Cairo.

Quoting Amirs (Thread starter):
OS
Upgrades its two daily flights from A321 to 767, with intercontinental configuration

It'll be nice to see some OS 76s here!! When is this starting?

Quoting Amirs (Thread starter):
US
Daily Philadelphia - TLV with A332 beginning July

This will be exciting! A USair plane in TLV! I wonder what the effects on DL and CO will be.

Quoting Amirs (Thread starter):
BMI
Adds 2 daily flight starting March , and upgrades to A332 from May.

I read recently they're ceasing all transatlantic flights, so is this really needed?


User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3681 times:



Quoting ELAL772 (Reply 9):
I read recently they're ceasing all transatlantic flights, so is this really needed?

I guess its needed, otherwise they would not jump to double daily A330 service.


All these airline are doing great while AF and KLM still send A320's and 737's.


User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2670 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3652 times:



Quoting Amirs (Reply 10):
All these airline are doing great while AF and KLM still send A320's and 737's

This is unbelievable... AF could send daily 1 772 and 1 A320



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User currently offlineLuftyMatt From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 428 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3632 times:



Quoting LY777 (Reply 11):
This is unbelievable... AF could send daily 1 772 and 1 A320

Maybe they don't have the available aircraft at the moment? Plus there is quite a bit of competition from TLV to Europe too. AF seem to have their own niche with BEY playing an important part of their network. Other European airlines use smaller aircraft there, seems to be vice-versa.



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User currently offlineELAL772 From Israel, joined Jun 2008, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3616 times:



Quoting LuftyMatt (Reply 12):
AF seem to have their own niche with BEY

True... So I guess we can't complain about AF's A320 and KLM 73s.
Our neighbors (BEY DAM AMM) do not see LH A346/744, BA 767/777, IB A340, 2 CO 777, 2 DL heavies etc. So each destination and it's own niche and market.


User currently offlineORD Boy 2 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 285 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3553 times:

I am wondering when we will see UA/AA ever start service to TLV, however, I know AA has that employees case against it in Israel as well as the LY codeshare, and UA feeds Israel with LH and AC (and soon US and CO).

UA -- could start from IAD, and maybe later ORD
AA - Join in from JFK in cooperation with LY and competing with DL, maybe later MIA and ORD???


User currently offlineKesflyer From Australia, joined Aug 2005, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3513 times:

Aegean (A3) trying to get new service ATH-TLV. Seeking govt permission ?

User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3481 times:



Quoting ELAL772 (Reply 9):
Quoting Amirs (Thread starter):
BMI
Adds 2 daily flight starting March , and upgrades to A332 from May.

I read recently they're ceasing all transatlantic flights, so is this really needed?

It is because bmi are ceasing transatlantic flights that they have A330;s to send to TLV



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User currently offlineIAD380 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3394 times:



Quoting ORD+Boy+2" class=quote target=_blank>ORD Boy 2 (Reply 14):
I am wondering when we will see UA/AA ever start service to TLV,

Probably not anytime soon. I don't expect AA and UA, which have never expressed much interest in flying their own aircraft to TLV to consider this market until long after the current global economic crisis is over. LY probably will resume flights to MIA when the economy improves, and AA will codeshare these flights rather than fly its own aircraft to TLV. ORD-TLV was not a success for LY, and it never offered nonstop flights on this route. There is no evidence that UA or AA are rushing to fill the void that El Al left in ORD, even though it is a hub for both airlines. If TLV-ORD flights resume, LY will probably operate them with an AA codeshare. However, if UA and CO merge, they might seek to launch a new route from a second American city to TLV.

Quoting Amirs (Thread starter):
BMI
Adds 2 daily flight starting March , and upgrades to A332 from May.

It will be interesting to see how BA responds to this.


User currently offlineDUALRATED From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1001 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3391 times:



Quoting IAD380 (Reply 17):
ORD-TLV was not a success for LY, and it never offered nonstop flights on this route.

Not true, ORD-TLV had been non stop for years and even holds a distance record.in 1984. It became the first 767 to complete a nonstop transatlantic journey.



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User currently offlineDUALRATED From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1001 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3372 times:

I miss the edit feature of this forum the most....correction to my last post thet first international 767 EL AL flight was Montreal/Tel Aviv. But they flew non stop ORD -TLV as well .


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User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4875 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3325 times:
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Quoting IAD380 (Reply 7):
didn't DL cancel plans to add more flights between TLV and JFK, or to deploy a larger airplane on this route?

The original plan was to add an additional 4x weekly service (for a total of 11x weekly JFK-TLV) but that is no longer going to happen. Instead, there will be 777 service starting May 21 through the end of June. For May, the 77L will operate JFK-TLV on alternate days starting May 21, with the 77E on the other days. June will see the 77E daily.


User currently offlineIAD380 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3316 times:



Quoting DUALRATED (Reply 19):
they flew non stop ORD -TLV as well

I am unaware that El Al flew TLV-ORD nonstop in both directions on a regular basis for a long period of time. When exactly did LY fly this route nonstop? I recall that this flight almost always stopped in New York, Montreal, Toronto, or for a short time in AMS. Usually, the Chicago tag-on was on a smaller aircraft.


User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3249 times:



Quoting ORD Boy 2 (Reply 14):
UA -- could start from IAD,

Does anyone know if UA has ever seriously considered IAD-TLV?


User currently offlineORD Boy 2 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 285 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3091 times:

I hope they have considered IAD, it would make economic sense, especially with the traffic between the two countries that comes from DC via EWR and JFK, at least in my mind

User currently offlineA380US From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2960 times:



Quoting ORD Boy 2 (Reply 14):
Join in from JFK in cooperation with LY

Theres no such thing as that
From my understanding when AA bought TWA there was a HUGE mess in TLV so it would be very expensive for AA to go back.
And even if, I mean IF they did go back they would easily drop LY, they dont need them LY needs AA not vice versa.



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25 Post contains links and images TodaReisinger : Since it's the Israeli aviation thread and I don't want to start a new thread just for a small question.....here it is: View Large View MediumPhoto &c
26 Amirs : I know for a fact that LY offered TLV - ORD nonstop on 762, in 1999, 2000, 2001. I was a flight attendant back then. I even once operated a TLV - ORD
27 ORD Boy 2 : Any Chance LY comes back to Chicago???
28 OHLHD : If you look at the C on the underwing reg you can see a white stripe right above it. Will it be twice daily with the 767 or just 7 per week?
29 LXA340 : 2x daily
30 DUALRATED : Ahh the EL AL haters could not resist taking a punch....unreal!
31 Post contains links NYC2TLV : http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3681173,00.html The number of cities being served between Germany and Israel is mind boggling.
32 Post contains links NYC2TLV : http://translate.google.com/translat...i.html&sl=sk&tl=en&history_state0= Doesn't El Al already serve Bratislava? Is there that much demand from Slova
33 Post contains links NYC2TLV : http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssI...UtilitiesNews/idUSLB25523420090311 El Al is adding flights between Tel-Aviv and Cairo.
34 PRGLY : LY never flew to BTS by its own, always 2U (Sun D Or). 2U will start regular flights to BTS from the begining of May once weekly (on Tuesday). All th
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