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Delta's CVG Hub: Daily Departures 1979-2004  
User currently offlineN702ML From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4355 times:

Hello fello a.netters!

There has been a lot of discussion lately about the de-hubbing and future status of Delta's Cincinnati hub.

So, I have created another chart showing the number of daily Delta departures out of CVG for random dates between 1979 and 2004.

The link is:

www.departedflights.com/DLCVGhub.html

I hope, as always, this provokes some interesting discussion!

Again, a disclaimer to the a.net mods....this is NOT an advertisement. It is a link to my site which provides free historical information about the airline industry. Thank you in advance for not deleting the post.

Enjoy!

Greg

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User currently offlineJbmitt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 549 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4245 times:

Thats unbelievable knowing there were once 219 mainline flights a day or 595 flights including connection on Delta alone!

User currently offlineDeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3815 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4094 times:

702ML- Great job, this will definitely be interesting to glance over. I wondered the other day what the peak number of mainline flights into/out of CVG was...now I can find out!


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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 4 days ago) and read 4032 times:



Quoting N702ML (Thread starter):

I swear, Greg, every time you add a "hub" that you've broken down, I'm studying the airline that built it at the time. I just received four DL schedules from 1989-1991, the August 1, 1989, April 1, July 1 and December 15th, 1991 system timetables. CVG's evolution is interesting, since DL never really had a big presence there prior to deregulation, it was dominated by AA mostly. ATL and DFW are the only cities where DL built a full-fledged hub in a city they were very entrenched in. If you tracked ORD, MEM and MSY from the 1950s to the 1980s, you'd see the shifts from ORD to CVG, MEM to ATL and MSY to DFW. I have a DL schedule from 1986 that I bought just to see DL's routes prior to the DL/WA merger. They still had a sizeable presence in MEM at the time, ORD had primarily been would down, for the most part. I guess the NW/RC merger helped to kill DL's great ops in MEM once and for all.



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User currently offlineN702ML From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3896 times:



Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 2):
I wondered the other day what the peak number of mainline flights into/out of CVG was...now I can find out!

DeltaRules,

I wish I could have gone even more recent on the chart, but unfortunately the 2004 timetable was the last one I could get my hands on. It's possible the hub grew even a bit more before the decline started.


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10601 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3800 times:

CVG's expansion started, I believe in the mid-80's, as an overflow "hub" for ATL.


DL's ops at ORD were on the order of 90 flights a day, peak, when I was there in the 70's.



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User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7522 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3786 times:

Nice job . I remember flying to ZRH from CVG in July 95 on an L1011.ROC used to have mainline 732 flights there,too. Now we're down to 2 Freedom ERJ's.


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User currently offlineCompensateMe From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1281 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3778 times:



Quoting N702ML (Reply 4):
I wish I could have gone even more recent on the chart, but unfortunately the 2004 timetable was the last one I could get my hands on. It's possible the hub grew even a bit more before the decline started.

Problem solved  Smile.

http://www.airlinetimetables.net/

The above site has electronic (mostly .pdf) timetables for most airlines worldwide from 2002 (some before that) - 2008.

Great work, BTW. We really appreciate it!



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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3651 times:



Quoting N702ML (Reply 4):
DeltaRules,

I wish I could have gone even more recent on the chart, but unfortunately the 2004 timetable was the last one I could get my hands on. It's possible the hub grew even a bit more before the decline started.

CVG did grow a little bit after that, then came the bankruptcy and the beginning of OH's decline at CVG. Hard to believe when PIT was closing for US, DL had almost 600 flights a day, mainly RJs at CVG and had no intentions of pulling it down.



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User currently offlineNwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3391 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3570 times:



Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 7):
Problem solved  .

http://www.airlinetimetables.net/

I'm sure my wife will appreciate you finding yet another site for me to spend a lot of time on... Big grin



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User currently offlineSkibum9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3528 times:



Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 8):
CVG did grow a little bit after that, then came the bankruptcy and the beginning of OH's decline at CVG.

The bankruptcy was not the beginning of OH's decline at CVG, it was the OH pilot's strike. On March 26, 2001, Comair's pilots went on strike. The strike cancelled the airline's flights and grounded its fleet. The strike ended after a new contract was agreed to 89 days later. After that strike, DL decided that it would never let a hub be so vulnerable to a single connectin carrier. As such, they started brining other connection carriers into CVG to operate routes that were previously flown by OH, and moving OH to cover connection flights at other hubs. But OH never truely recovered from that strike.



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User currently offlineN702ML From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3520 times:



Quoting Skibum9 (Reply 10):
On March 26, 2001, Comair's pilots went on strike. The strike cancelled the airline's flights and grounded its fleet. The strike ended after a new contract was agreed to 89 days later. After that strike, DL decided that it would never let a hub be so vulnerable to a single connectin carrier. As such, they started brining other connection carriers into CVG to operate routes that were previously flown by OH, and moving OH to cover connection flights at other hubs. But OH never truely recovered from that strike.

Oh how I remember that Skibum9..... I was a flight attendant for OH during that fiasco. I remember the tension building up to it....working my last flight the night before the strike (which was a roundtrip to CRW)....seeing the announcement on television a few weeks into the strike that we were selling part of the fleet....nonrevving on DL out of CVG during the time and ALLLLLL of the red "Cancelled" remarks on the flight monitors....just ENTIRE monitors from top to bottom "Cancelled"......finally the layoffs.....the unknown....ugh.....it was not a good time.


User currently offlineC767P From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 888 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3303 times:



Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 7):
http://www.airlinetimetables.net/

This is pretty interesting to look through, and on some routes entertaining to see how things have changed.

On Delta I see that they stop at 2007, are there any available for 08 anywhere? What about prior to 2002, any available online?


User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3139 times:



Quoting C767P (Reply 12):
On Delta I see that they stop at 2007, are there any available for 08 anywhere? What about prior to 2002, any available online?

The owner of that site used to post here quite frequently as A330323X, but he hasn't really updated it in quite some time. As for pre-2002, most airlines didn't do PDF timetables en masse until 9/11 made it cost-prohibitive to physically print out timetables. As long as they use the same format as the ones they used to print, I can read them fairly easily. Plus, it's nice to have access to a continual archive of aviation history. I myself can only buy so many timetables, they take up a lot of space, and to have them readily available on the internet is a nice research tool. N702ML, as always keep up the great work!

P.S. Could you please post DL's ORD, MEM or MSY schedules from the '60s to the early '80s? Just the former presences at ORD and MEM alone are quite impressive.



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User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10601 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2977 times:

Here's ORD for 3/01/73 and 10/27/74


http://www.departedflights.com/DL030173p18.html


http://www.departedflights.com/DL102774p19.html



Courtesy of departedflights.com



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User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2255 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2733 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 14):
Here's ORD for 3/01/73 and 10/27/74

Thanks for posting the ORD schedules.

I'm still amazed DL flew THREE 747s ORD-MIA in 1973, and two L-1011s ORD-MEM in 1974.
Those were the days....



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User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10601 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2645 times:



Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 15):
I'm still amazed DL flew THREE 747s ORD-MIA in 1973, and two L-1011s ORD-MEM in 1974.
Those were the days....

I think part of the ORD-MEM routing could have been leftover from the freighter service that was discontinued in Sept of '73. As I recall, we had alot of heavy equipment parts shippers that used to ship on the freighter and continued, for awhile, on the DC-10's and Tristars on that route.



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 16 hours ago) and read 2538 times:

My, how times have changed... from 1 mainline and 7 RJs a day from FWA-CVG to just two or three RJs a day today.

BTW, does anyone remember the Rand McNally 1995 (or was it 1996?) road atlas with a Delta ad encouraging travelers to try DL and "Cincinnati Instead" for their next flight, talking about "quick, hassle-free connections"?



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