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2009 A330/A340 Thread Part 2  
User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6847 posts, RR: 63
Posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4926 times:

The thread started on 17th January has been archived (a bit prematurely, surely?) so here's a new one.

The big news item is yesterday's order by KE for six more A330-200s.

http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...ms/09_02_27_koreanair_a330200.html

"The order is the first for the new 238 tonne increased take-off weight version, offering an extended flying range of up to 7,200 nautical miles."

KE have chosen PW for all their previous A330 orders.

In other news...

HNA Group (Hainan) who are a major shareholder in Hong Kong Airlines have signed a contract with RR for Trent 700EP engines for 20 A330s on firm order.

http://www.rolls-royce.com/civil/new...09/270209_hk_airlines_trent700.jsp

Recently, Hong Kong Airlines transferred three of the order for twenty to a leasing arm.

Finaly, the 600th A330 has flown! Best I can tell, it was msn #994, an A330-302E, OH-LTM, for Finnair and it flew on 17th February.

With 370 A340s having flown, we are now just 30 frames away from the 1,000th to come off the assembly line.

 Big grin

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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4785 times:

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Don´t know much about Hainan, are they to keep *former CX* A346?

Cheers

//Mike  Confused



Airbus SAS - Love them both
User currently offlineBreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1914 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4747 times:



Quoting Solnabo (Reply 1):
Don´t know much about Hainan, are they to keep *former CX* A346?

That is a yes. B-HQA, B and C have all been re-painted in Hainan Al. cs.
B-HQA was taken over (i.e. leased from ILFC) in Nov. 2009 as B-6510.


User currently offlineJambrain From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2008, 251 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4581 times:



Quoting PM (Thread starter):
HNA Group (Hainan) who are a major shareholder in Hong Kong Airlines have signed a contract with RR for Trent 700EP engines for 20 A330s on firm order.

http://www.rolls-royce.com/civil/new...09/270209_hk_airlines_trent700.jsp
(fix link)

How many open engine contests are there on 330?



Jambrain
User currently offlineAviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4558 times:



Quoting PM (Thread starter):
Finaly, the 600th A330 has flown! Best I can tell, it was msn #994, an A330-302E, OH-LTM, for Finnair and it flew on 17th February.

With 370 A340s having flown, we are now just 30 frames away from the 1,000th to come off the assembly line.

Quite impressive. It may take not more than 3-4 months for Airbus to achieve this milestone.


User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4501 times:



Quoting PM (Thread starter):
Finaly, the 600th A330 has flown! Best I can tell, it was msn #994, an A330-302E, OH-LTM, for finnair and it flew on 17th February.

That was interesting info, thanks!
The first A333 for AY will start on the HEL-JFK route on 6th April, a couple of domestic flights before that. AY have ordered eight A333's, five of them coming this year, three 2010.


User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6847 posts, RR: 63
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4086 times:



Quoting Jambrain (Reply 3):
How many open engine contests are there on 330?

Enough to make it interesting.  Big grin

EK for 30 x A333 could go any way.

GF for 20 x A333 ditto.

Both have been RR customers but orders of this size could swing to a competitor.

Air China have 20 more on order (for a total of 40) and no announcement has yet been been made regarding an engine. (But RR surely...)

Then we have Saudi Arabian ordering 8. Rumour has it, that will be RR too.

Plus a few more bits and pieces means there are another 100 or so planes to fight over.

Watch this space.


User currently offlineKnoxibus From France, joined Aug 2007, 258 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4081 times:
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Quoting PM (Thread starter):
With 370 A340s having flown, we are now just 30 frames away from the 1,000th to come off the assembly line.

This will happen with MSN 1018 for SWR.



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User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6847 posts, RR: 63
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3921 times:



Quoting Knoxibus (Reply 7):
This will happen with MSN 1018 for SWR.

Not necessarily. If all frames between now and #1,018 are built (which isn't a given) then it will numerically be the 1,000th A330/A340 but it may not be the 1,000th off the line (indeed, I strongly doubt that it will) and it will probably not be the 1,000th to fly.

And "SWR"? Is that what we call Swiss these days?  Wink


User currently offlineKa From Switzerland, joined Apr 2000, 660 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3858 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 8):
And "SWR"? Is that what we call Swiss these days?

Correct: ICAO-code for Swiss.

KA.



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User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6847 posts, RR: 63
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days ago) and read 3578 times:



Quoting Jambrain (Reply 3):
How many open engine contests are there on 330?

OK - now back at my own laptop I can give you a better answer. I make it 98.

ACT (2)
Air China (20) [almost certainly they'll stick with RR]
Alis Aerolinee Italiane (5)
Emirate (30) [RR must be favourite]
Gulf (20) [RR must be favourite]
Korean (6) [hard to see PW losing this one]
Libyan (4) [Afriqiyah chose GE - should we assume Libyan will too?]
Saudi Arabian (8) [likely to be GE or RR]
Tunisair (3)

Beyond these 98 there are another 50 or 60 ordered by leasing companies who have not yet announced an engine. But RR already has 70% of orders placed by leasing companies so it seems a safe but they they'll pick up a good share of the remaining orders.

RR's current backlog is around 170 compared to 50 or so for PW and no more than 30 for GE.

It's looking likely that RR will get 500 of the first 1,000 A330s with GE and PW splitting the other 500 roughly evenly.  bigthumbsup 

Quoting Ka (Reply 9):
Correct: ICAO-code for Swiss.

Wow. Thanks. I thought it was wishful thinking and that SR still lived. Good news.


User currently offlineKnoxibus From France, joined Aug 2007, 258 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3434 times:
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Quoting PM (Reply 8):
Not necessarily. If all frames between now and #1,018 are built (which isn't a given) then it will numerically be the 1,000th A330/A340 but it may not be the 1,000th off the line (indeed, I strongly doubt that it will) and it will probably not be the 1,000th to fly.

Sorry, I did not get your rationale? According to the aircraft planning of the Long Range Final Assembly Line, MSN 1018 will be the 1000th A/C off the line as in being delivered and all.

At Airbus, we use two ranking systems, the MSN, and the FAL rank. And MSN 1018 has FAL rank 1000.

And in view of the big party we are going to throw for this A/C, I bet you this indeed will be the 1000th A/C to come off the line.

If you want to look for the 1000th Airbus Long Range to take for the skies, or the 1000th to actually go through the doors at Clement Ader factory, then I agree with you it might not be MSN 1018, but I believe we can all agree this Swiss A/C will be the 1000th A330/A340 from Airbus.



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User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6847 posts, RR: 63
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3347 times:



Quoting Knoxibus (Reply 11):
Sorry, I did not get your rationale?

Well, I just wonder what will happen to MSN 996. Will it be built and, if so, will it be built before MSN 1018? Then there's MSN 1004 - the first A330F. When will that be completed? Then there's MSN 1017 - the very frame before #1,000. A340-600s commonly run several weeks (or more) behind A330s and Iberia are talking of deferring A340 deliveries. I'd be very surprised if 1017 is finished before 1018.

Quoting Knoxibus (Reply 11):
I believe we can all agree this Swiss A/C will be the 1000th A330/A340 from Airbus.

In the sense that 18 (so far) were never built then history will probably call this plane the 1,000th. No arguments there. But the 600th A330 to fly (see above) wasn't the 600th A330 on the FAL, was it?

Anyway, don't get me wrong. As a long-time RR fan and a frequent flyer on LX I'll be delighted if MSN 1018 gets the honour (and the party!).  champagne 

But I'm also a pedant and damned if I can do anything about it.  wave 


User currently offlineJerseyFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 627 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3152 times:

Does anyone know if the new 238t version of the A332 passenger will offerred as a A332F?

Or as the tanker offering for the USAF?


User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6847 posts, RR: 63
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2651 times:

Is Garuda leasing a new-built A330-200 (#1052) from AerCap?!  bitelip 

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