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What Kind Of Landing Is This?  
User currently offlineGF-A330 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2001, 1643 posts, RR: 2
Posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2405 times:

Could someone please tell me how the pilot of this 767-300 ER is going to land his plane safely.

What is he doing ? Is he approaching at angle or is he going to take off again !


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User currently offlineJuul From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2278 times:

That's a pretty normal landing for Kai Tak...

Do a search for pictures taken at Kai Tak and you'll find tons of those.

Greetings Big grin


User currently offlineMatz From Sweden, joined Mar 2001, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2247 times:

Probably a crosswind landing

User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 3, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2231 times:

This is one of those famous Kai Tak incidents with heavy crosswinds...usually they either go around but he looks below DH so he'll end up either way right or in the drink...I dont know this specific incident...

Greg



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User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2215 times:

He'll be fine, it's a x-wind app. He'll kick-in some rudder during the flare to get the nose on the r/w heading before touch-down.

User currently offlineTurbineBeaver From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2203 times:

If you ask me, it looks like his main bogeys are turned about 15 degrees left of where the a/c is facing, almost lined up with the runway. I heard that the C-5 can do this with the main bogeys, for cross wind landings and can turn them up to 25 degrees. Is this true for the 767? and/or any other commercial jets? or is it just an illusion?


thanks

TB


User currently offline747-600X From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2789 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2142 times:

I've never heard of a jet's gear rotating, I suppose they could though, but I've seen worse crosswind photos than this. There's one of a Qantas 767 at Sydney and the comment made with the photo is just as suggested above, "...swift kick of the rudder..." and everything's okay. Looking at that photo it looks to me like the gear are ligned up with the a/c just as ever. Also, it's a zoom photograph taken from a ways back, the photographer wasn't standing on the end of the runway, so the aircraft will look a little to the side of the runway (moreso than it would if you stretched the photo back into a real-vision affect).


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User currently offlineMikephotos From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2923 posts, RR: 54
Reply 7, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2105 times:

Crosswind landings make for interesting photos. Here's another one:


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Michael


User currently offlineN949WP From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2000, 1437 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2084 times:

And if the crosswind is REALLY bad, the landings could be even more interesting!!!!!

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BTW, on the bottom of the first picture, you can see the rooftops of those buildings where the 767 shot was taken.

'949


User currently offlineHkgspotter1 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2084 times:

949'

Spotting tomorrow ???, I know its not great but I will go to see the ELAL 777 again.

Thanks for the link.



User currently offlineGOT From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 1912 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2022 times:

The pictures from Kai Tak are among the most interesting here at A.net. Try a search! Sadly, it doesn't come new pictures any more  Sad.

GOT



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User currently offlineRrwx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2016 times:

The pilot is accounting for the wind. When he gets closer to touch-down he'll use the rudder to straighten out. It happens on most landings to some degree unless the wind just happens to be coming straight down the runway.

User currently offlineSoku39 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1797 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1948 times:

2 of five of the 747's main gear rotate. I remember seeing a 744 taxiing not only did the nosewheel turn but the two on either side of the central main bogie turned. let me find the pic to see if I am talking about the right thing.  Sad



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User currently offlineGyro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1942 times:

It's called "Crabbing into the wind". Apply rudder pressure until you're plane is flying in a straight line, this causes the airplane not to be aligned with the runway. Once in ground effect work the rudders to align the aircraft with the centerline... I always wondered why jet pilot's don't use crosswind landing procedure that smaller planes use, yoke into the wind, opposite rudder to keep the nose aligned with the runway...Anybody know???

Regards: Sven


User currently offlineSoku39 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1797 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1925 times:

sorry it was a 47-128 but anyway do they prealign align the gears in flight. I think this is the same thing except on the ground.



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User currently offlineB767-400er From Hong Kong, joined Apr 2000, 290 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1920 times:

Soku39: Is it this one?


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TurbineBeaver: I believe in that pic, it's just an illusion. Look at it carefully, and remember that 767's bogeys hang forward-slanted.

Tony,
B767-400er


User currently offlineB767-400er From Hong Kong, joined Apr 2000, 290 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1912 times:

Oops, that's what you get when you post at the same time! O well...  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Tony,
B767-400er


User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6389 posts, RR: 54
Reply 17, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1903 times:

Dear Gyro,
Airliners do make ordinary "sideslip" sidewind landings - or one wheel landings with crossed aileron - rudder. But normally only the smaller airliners do so.
The widebodies normally do the crab + rudder kick method, mainly because of their limited engine to ground clearance. Especially if they should bump a little, and the huge wings flex somewhat, then there isn't much ground clearance to spare.
They do have a small problem there which you don't have on your Cessna 152.
BTW also the B-52 bomber adjusts its main wheels so it crabs all way down to the runway. You will notice that the B-52 has a very small rudder, so small that it wouldn't be powerful enough for a crab + rudder kick landing.
Best regards, Preben Norholm



Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
User currently offlineAJ From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 2386 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1863 times:

The landing 767 does not have the main gear adjusted for crosswind, it is just an illusion created by the forward tilting bogies.
The Body Gear steering on the 747 is centred at the commencement of the takeoff roll, automatically on the 744 and manually on the classics.
 Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offline737doctor From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1332 posts, RR: 39
Reply 19, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1847 times:

Preben, you are indeed correct. I know that on the 70-series "Diesel 8" the crab is the recommended crosswind landing technique. That bird is quite prone to inboard engine "pod strikes". And the 71 & 73's are susceptible to tail strikes resulting from over-rotation or improper pitch angle when flaring.


Patrick Bateman is my hero.
User currently offlineEricCieslar From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1825 times:

hey guys i fly 152's and when im landing i line with the runway and face the plane into wind and then when its time to round out i hit the rudder so the nose is lined up with the runway.

sorry i dont know all them fancy words n stuff.


and by the way what are "bogies" i assum it has something to do with the undercarage?


User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (13 years 3 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1821 times:

For B777-300 a/c the aft pair of wheels in the 3-wheel tandem have axle steering to reduce turning radii on the ground.

Purely FYI.


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