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YYC Officially 3rd Busiest In Canada  
User currently offlineYVR1968 From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 704 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 8 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7143 times:

Although all a bit anti-climactic now....

Finally, YYC has released this press release.......

http://www.yyc.com/fts_files/2009022...4719Press%20Release%20Feb%2025.pdf

Although the detailed statistics page is still showing the YTD to Nov 08 this press release indicates 2008 reached 12.5M up 2.0% from 2007.

YYZ 32.33M up 2.8%
YVR 17.85M up 2.0%
YYC 12.5M up 2.0%
YUL 12.38M down 0.2%
YEG 6.44M up 6.1% (YEG has released Jan 2009 figures - down 1.72% from Jan 08)

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User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 6 days ago) and read 6955 times:

By this time next year those same airports will change the bragging rights to;which airport suffered the lowest decline in passenger numbers.

User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15795 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 6 days ago) and read 6950 times:



Quoting 9252fly (Reply 1):
which airport suffered the lowest decline in passenger numbers.

I suspect that YYC will be on that list since much of this growth seems to be tied to the oil business.



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User currently offlineJamincan From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 776 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6788 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 2):
I suspect that YYC will be on that list since much of this growth seems to be tied to the oil business.

I'm not sure I understand. Do you believe YYC will see one of the biggest drops because of the oil business, or do you believe YYC will not see one of the biggest drops because of the oil business. I understand that the resources sectors in Canada have taken huge hits this past year, and unless there's a significant recovery in 2009, I wouldn't be surprised to see a drop in traffic.

Does anyone have any good explanation for why YEG and YOW were so robust so far? I understand both grew over 5% in 2008, which is far greater than any other large size airport in the country.


User currently offlineYVR1968 From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6560 times:

YEG was definitely robust throughout 2008 mainly due to the oil industry and an overall robust economy. I will assume the drop in Jan 09 YEG traffic would be a direct result of the downturn.

User currently offlineThreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2162 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6513 times:



Quoting Jamincan (Reply 3):

I'm not sure I understand. Do you believe YYC will see one of the biggest drops because of the oil business, or do you believe YYC will not see one of the biggest drops because of the oil business.

My interpretation of BMI727's comments is that YYC will see a drop in traffic compared to 2008. If I'm correct, then I share that opinion. I think YYC passenger numbers will fall faster than those in YUL, which may vie for the #3 position this time next year.



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User currently offlineYVR1968 From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6491 times:

YVR is predicting about a 5% decline in 2009. I wouldn't be surprised if it is larger than that. I think January will be really bad (like December 2008) b/c of the snow cancellations and the fog cancellations. February was supposed to show a "recovery." I will assume that means that the decline in Feb wouldn't be as bad as Jan.

User currently offlineEwRkId From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6486 times:

I thought that with the amount of Int'l demand out of YUL that they would beat YYC for the #3 spot, but then again i guess some of the traffic at YUL is seasonal.

User currently offlineYVR1968 From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6466 times:



Quoting EwRkId (Reply 7):
I thought that with the amount of Int'l demand out of YUL that they would beat YYC for the #3 spot, but then again i guess some of the traffic at YUL is seasonal.

Well, despite that, it was the domestic and transborder sectors that showed declines in 2008, while the International (other than transborder) showed increases. Both transborder and domestic got hit really hard in the 4th Q 2008.


User currently offlineFlyyul From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4998 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6406 times:

Once again, Calgary is a city that totally depends on air traffic given its geographic isolation. There is no regular train service to the city, and airlines such as AC/WS offers multi-daily frequencies to destinations with relatively small populations...

The interesting aspect is the growing demand for international service which will only benefit Calgary's international exposure in time..

Although EK to YYC really seems unrealistic


User currently offlineYWG747 From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 251 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6145 times:

Well if this economy stay this poor, and oil price stay this low for some time too come.... YYC and YEG will be posting negative numbers before you know it.

User currently offlineBeechNut From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 726 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6106 times:

I was at YUL late Friday afternoon (start of Spring Break here) and it seemed like all 12.38 million pax were there at the same time. What a zoo. In spite of all the changes at YUL it still continues to strike me as a mini-Heathrow, that is totally nuts. Compared to some places like I've been to (e.g. ICN), completely third-world.

Beech


User currently offlineYVR1968 From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5719 times:



Quoting YWG747 (Reply 10):
YYC and YEG will be posting negative numbers before you know it.

Well, for the record, after showing months of increases, YEG did post a small decline for Jan 2009 - the only Canadian airport releasing Jan 2009 info so far.

YYC still has yet to post detailed Dec 08 figures - come on YYC get with it!


User currently offlineYVR1968 From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5492 times:

YYC has now posted January 2009 figures - down 3.8% from Jan 2008.

Also, using the Jan table, you can see the full 2008 figures.

For full year 2008 - 12,506,893 up 1.97%


User currently offlineAC183 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 1532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5352 times:

YWG has posted +2.4% traffic for January.

Increases in traffic might be scarce for all airports this year, even if there's a few scattered increases for a few selected months.


User currently offlineYVR1968 From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5347 times:



Quoting AC183 (Reply 14):
YWG has posted +2.4% traffic for January.

Yes, I did see that, I am not sure if I was surprised.

I probably expected all Canadian airports to show a decline in Jan 09. But to buck that with a solid performance by YWG is a good thing. Whether that continues, time will tell I guess.

One thing I did notice about YWG is that WS will not be flying YQR or YXE flights this summer? That was a surprise.


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16308 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5274 times:



Quoting YVR1968 (Reply 15):
One thing I did notice about YWG is that WS will not be flying YQR or YXE flights this summer? That was a surprise.

Yes, that is odd.

WS nonstops from YXE/YQR to YYZ are back for the summer though, as are new nonstops to YVR.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineThenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2588 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5124 times:

Quoting YVR1968 (Reply 13):
YYC has now posted January 2009 figures - down 3.8% from Jan 2008.

In terms of aircraft movements, both YYC and YBW saw declines of 0.9 and 7.7 % respectively !

YUL, on the other hand, had a 1.1% increase in air traffic in 2008.

With that 3.8% decline in passengers at YYC in Jan, i wouldn't be surprised to see YUL regain 3rd spot for 2009. Expect these two airports to swap positions regulary for the coming years.

Thenoflyzone

[Edited 2009-03-05 11:15:04]


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User currently offlineThenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2588 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5101 times:

Quoting BeechNut (Reply 11):
Compared to some places like I've been to (e.g. ICN), completely third-world.

Honestly, it's not that bad. They are expanding and opening up a new transborder section, and that will free up a lot of space in the public access terminal area.

I've been to YUL several times during the down hours, where there is little traffic. YUL can easily handle 15-20 million passengers a year with the current infrastructure. No problem.

Thenoflyzone

[Edited 2009-03-05 11:36:27]


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User currently offlineThenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2588 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5088 times:



Quoting Jamincan (Reply 3):
Does anyone have any good explanation for why YEG and YOW were so robust so far? I understand both grew over 5% in 2008, which is far greater than any other large size airport in the country.

If you think YEG and YOW are robust, wait til you see YQB's numbers. Up 17% compared to 2007. Thanks in no small part to the city's 400th anniversary.

Went from 877,000 passengers in 2007 to over 1,000,000 passengers in 2008.

http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/December2008/19/c3321.html

Thenoflyzone



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User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2183 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5070 times:



Quoting Thenoflyzone (Reply 17):
With that 3.8% decline in passengers at YYC in Jan, i wouldn't be surprised to see YUL regain 3rd spot for 2009.



Quoting YVR1968 (Thread starter):
(YEG has released Jan 2009 figures - down 1.72% from Jan 08)

Ouch. The oil business definitely must be into really severe trouble for this to happen.
A comparable drop in YUL would indeed be surprising, since our local economy slow down is nothing in comparison to what it is in Alberta and even Toronto area.

Quoting BeechNut (Reply 11):
I was at YUL late Friday afternoon (start of Spring Break here) and it seemed like all 12.38 million pax were there at the same time. What a zoo. In spite of all the changes at YUL it still continues to strike me as a mini-Heathrow, that is totally nuts. Compared to some places like I've been to (e.g. ICN), completely third-world.

Well, i guess you picked the wrongest possible time. AC domestic departure area indeed is messy, arrival areas in general are too small (i mean the meeting points after you exit secure areas), and its lack of rail connection... Other than that, it is a very nice airport to use imho. Intl and US boarding and waiting areas are really good, and i have yet to see long lines and rude staff at security checks. No idea about ICN, but places like SFO, CDG or LHR definitely are more unpleasant than YUL, by far.



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User currently offlineA332 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5031 times:



Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 20):
A comparable drop in YUL would indeed be surprising, since our local economy slow down is nothing in comparison to what it is in Alberta and even Toronto area.

Well that's to be expected, since the Alberta economy has been booming for many years while the YUL area has been stagnant. I mean, we are just starting to our employment rate creep up into the 4% range, whereas YUL has seen over 7% unemployment for years. There's not really a comparison between the two.



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User currently offlineYVR1968 From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5011 times:



Quoting A332 (Reply 21):
There's not really a comparison between the two.

Historically, this is true. Quebec has always (generally) had a higher unemployment rate than other provinces with the exception of Atlantic Canada, so this is nothing new.


User currently offlineSuperdawg From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 347 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 17 hours ago) and read 4845 times:

As i posted on my blog www.ilfycalgary.ca the actual 2008 numbers are

Calgary 12,506,893
Montreal 12,379,843


User currently offlineThreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2162 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (5 years 8 months 15 hours ago) and read 4788 times:



Quoting Superdawg (Reply 23):
As i posted on my blog www.ilfycalgary.ca

I think your domain name is misspelled in your post (lfy vs. fly)



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25 Thenoflyzone : Since i used YBW (Calgary/Sringbank airport) aircraft movements, thought i could compare it with a similar airport in Montreal, it being YHU of cours
26 Post contains links Superdawg : Hey I couldn't even see that on my small monitor at work, guess I need to get some glasses! You are correct it should be www.iflycalgary.ca[Edited 20
27 Threepoint : The Montreal-area numbers will continue to fluctuate in modest amounts, whereas Albertan airports will take wild swings in either direction. Such is
28 Yyz717 : Perhaps, I bet the new WS and Porter flights to Toronto had a big hand in the growth. Jazz has had a strangle hold on YQB for a long time. Possibly.
29 Threepoint : While not discounting this idea, my feeling is that the 'fly vs drive' VFR traffic has largely been captured. Coupled with the current and accelerati
30 Thenoflyzone : One thing that hasn't been discussed so far, (don't know if it is worth discussing) is the impact the loss of the F1 race will have on YUL traffic in
31 SLCUT2777 : Keep in mind that YYC and YEG are the most significantly removed airports and communities from the U.S. border or any large U.S. community (SEA & SLC
32 Threepoint : Absolutely. Removed from other significant Canadian destinations also. In fact the closest legitimate US option for Calgarians is Helena, but it's a
33 Pnwtraveler : Some Montrealers I know drive across the border for a lot of things. Christmas turkies and travel :P. They brought out a two turkey a car limit not lo
34 SLCUT2777 : GTF, HLN or FCO is another sure bet connection through SLC anyway on DLC/OO. Much of the YQL area of southern Alberta where my wife is from drive to
35 Viscount724 : Spokane is also an option although a similar 7-8 hour drive. It's the closest city to YYC with Southwest service.
36 Threepoint : Yep, I actually had Spokane written in my post before changing it to Helena, figuring that few people would really want the hassle of 8 hours driving
37 Connies4ever : One thing to keep in mind is that Manitoba is expected to have economic growth this year - not much at about 1.5%, but that's better than a poke in t
38 AC183 : I wouldn't be surprised to see those routes return. The YXE-YWG route in particular had a fair bit of local traffic. YQR-YWG less so, as it's only 5 h
39 Naritaflyer : You are not being fair. You cannot compare any airport in North America with ICN, NRT, KIX, NGO, PEK, HKG, BKK, SIN or PVG. Or even the smaller regio
40 Pnwtraveler : All 4 western provinces are supposed to weather the recession quite well. Ontario will be impacted by the large manufacturing layoffs. House prices ar
41 Beechnut : I haven't been to YYC in ages, but I can assure you that YVR and YYZ (both the new terminal and T3) are well ahead of YUL, by miles. I picked up my s
42 Thenoflyzone : uhummm.....4th largest.... Relax there buddy... YVR has almost 10 million domestic passengers, and YYZ almost 14 million. YUL only has 5 million. Rig
43 Threepoint : I don't think it's the size of the baggage area that matters as much as the quality of the facility. I assume that's what Beechnut was trying to conv
44 Thenoflyzone : Apparently they gave a facelift to the domestic section a few years back... I don't know how it looks, since i've only used it 2 times in all my trav
45 Flyyul : The domestic section is a lot nicer - though its below standard. Transborder and International are above standard - and im particularly interested to
46 SurfandSnow : You are not being fair... Of course you can compare North American airports to Asian ones! I have transited at ICN and flown in/out of PEK. At ICN, o
47 YVR1968 : Ouch! YVR just released Jan 2009 figures and it is down 9.6% from Jan 08! Most sectors showed declines lead by Asia Pacific - down a staggering 13.8%.
48 Flyyul : This wont be a good year for Vancouver, they lost Osaka/London/China flight, on top of CX/Oasis/SQ and CI d/g. 2010 will be Vancouver's year with the
49 Thenoflyzone : Yeah Right ! YVR, YYC and YEG all down for Jan '09. Thenoflyzone
50 Threepoint : For three weeks it will. And to a lesser extent, another two for the Paralympics. Then the world will turn off the 24/7 sports coverage and realize i
51 Bakersdozen : Can you be anymore negative? I think it is a little premature to say this since it is a year away. The exposure will "open up" Vancouver to the eyes
52 Threepoint : Oh give it a rest. Vancouver-area tourism has been wildly successful and heavily marketed for decades. How will it be discovered any more than it was
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