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FedEx New Asia/Pac Hub, Guangzhou Open!  
User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7263 posts, RR: 85
Posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7053 times:
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Officially opened for us 6 Feb.. The largest hub now, outside the US. Will operate 136 flights weekly. Avg. package flow daily, 179,000 pieces. First flight was, FX #034, IND-CDG-CAN. When the 77F is delivered, IND-CAN will be n/s.  eyepopping 



Last A310 out of SFS, officially marking closure.


One of the last scheduled MD11 flights from SFS.



Farewell salute from SFS.

Operations at SFS begin in 1996 for FX. 500 employees jobs were effected by the SFS closure.  Sad
Can't wait to photo 77F at CAN.


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User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3290 posts, RR: 45
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7022 times:

Congrats Drew and FedEx!!!!! I know you worked hard to make it happen!!!!

 champagne 

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlineCrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1898 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6991 times:

FexEx shuts Subic and UPS shuts Clark. Is there a pattern as to why both of these companies have left the Philippines within the same year? Is there a defined problem with red tape and limitations operating in the Philippines, or has corruption taken another toll on this island? Don't get me wrong. I love the Philippines and visit there several times a year, but I find it disappointing that 2 such large companies have pulled the plug there. I'm aware that both companies claim that logistically, China is the better choice, so why didn't these companies just set up shop there in the first place?

User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7263 posts, RR: 85
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6920 times:
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Quoting Crownvic (Reply 2):
hy both of these companies have left the Philippines



Quoting Crownvic (Reply 2):
ogistically

China made us a better offer.  dollarsign 

I can't speak for 5X and their new hub at PVG, but it's prolly a better deal for them too.  twocents 


User currently offlineFxra From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 706 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6798 times:



Quoting Crownvic (Reply 2):
FexEx shuts Subic and UPS shuts Clark. Is there a pattern as to why both of these companies have left the Philippines within the same year?

The reason we got iis (and I'm paraphrasing) that the nexus of manufacturing has shifted from southeast Asia (Vietnam, Singapore, Malaysia, Philippines) to mainland China, with much of the concentration around Shanghai and the Pearl River delta (CAN,SZX, and HKG are all in this region). SO we put our hubs where the stuff is. With China liberalizing air service rights over the past few years, plus ample "cheap" labor, it makes good business sense. IN addtion, FedEx and UPS planes can make it nonstop from CAN and SZX to ANC without too much trouble, where SFS/CRK to ANC was unrealistic with out a tech stop.

Did FedEx serve CAN prior opening this hub? I know they operated into SZX. If not, I think its ironic that FedEX is opening a hub in CAN and most likely leaving SZX while UPS is opening a hub SZX (where we don't currently serve) and I would gruess will pull out of CAN since it's so close.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25157 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6775 times:

The reason both UPS and Fedex shifted hubs was solely due to the fact the updated US-China bilateral allowed such service after many years of begging.

Frankly, many are still amazed China is allowing two US carriers to set up hubs on its territory with near no restrictions on frequencies, or routes.



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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15735 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6753 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
Frankly, many are still amazed China is allowing two US carriers to set up hubs on its territory with near no restrictions on frequencies, or routes.

The Chinese know where all of their money comes from. This is actually a very astute move by China. They are ensuring that their goods can make it to market in the US. The Chinese are using FedEx and UPS just as surely as UPS and FedEx are using China.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25157 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6719 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 6):
They are ensuring that their goods can make it to market in the US.

Its a lot more then just the US - that is the amazing part for many.

The US airlines are operating a true hub with flights to all over Asia plus further afield to Europe and Australia and even domestic China services all competing against China's own national carriers.

For instance a random days schedule - March 3rd Fedex has nonstop flights to BKK, CDG, CRK, HAN, KIX, ICN, KUL, NRT, PVG SIN, SYD from CAN.



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3170 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6701 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):

Frankly, many are still amazed China is allowing two US carriers to set up hubs on its territory with near no restrictions on frequencies, or routes.



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 7):
The US airlines are operating a true hub with flights to all over Asia plus further afield to Europe and Australia and even domestic China services all competing against China's own national carriers

This is no different than the former hubs in the Philippines, and at CDG (FX), or CGN (5X).
The domestic flights within China are not operated by FedEx or UPS, but under contract to Chinese carriers such as Yangtze River Express.



FLYi
User currently offlineJet-lagged From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 872 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6686 times:

Can anyone point to a route map for FedEx in Asia?

Thanks


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25157 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6671 times:



Quoting PITrules (Reply 8):
This is no different than the former hubs in the Philippines, and at CDG (FX), or CGN (5X).

I'm well aware of this.

What I was trying to point out was the fact that two US carriers setting up hubs in China is quite an achievement, one that even the US government and its negotiators did not envisage being granted rights to.
In other words China a nation where it bureaucracy often moves at snails pace, and political chess games can take decades is far from a free wielding open skies liberalized market as many its Asian neighbors.



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User currently offlineCospn From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1619 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6526 times:

You go where the pax are in FedEx's case you go where the freight is China China and China...

Also SFS was a former Naval air station (CUBI POINT NAS) not set up for a widebody Hub and space limited....

Also a bit far from Manila for example FedEx had to operate a commuter Twin otter between MNL and Subic to move crews around at CAN many flights to repo on...


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7539 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6452 times:



Quoting FXramper (Thread starter):

Operations at SFS begin in 1996 for FX. 500 employees jobs were effected by the SFS closure.
Can't wait to photo 77F at CAN.

With such a rather new base, I don't understand why FX did this, force people out of jobs, and get rid of an unrestricted airport in terms of cargo, they can only fly X amount to China because of the rights, so it doesn't make sense to me why they did that, wouldn't that really be limiting what they are able to do, where at Subic Bay they could have flown several hundred flights a day in theory and have nothing to worry about?



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User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6409 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 12):
With such a rather new base, I don't understand why FX did this, force people out of jobs, and get rid of an unrestricted airport in terms of cargo, they can only fly X amount to China because of the rights, so it doesn't make sense to me why they did that, wouldn't that really be limiting what they are able to do, where at Subic Bay they could have flown several hundred flights a day in theory and have nothing to worry about?

Did you actually read the thread!?

Quoting Fxra (Reply 4):
The reason we got iis (and I'm paraphrasing) that the nexus of manufacturing has shifted from southeast Asia (Vietnam, Singapore, Malaysia, Philippines) to mainland China, with much of the concentration around Shanghai and the Pearl River delta (CAN,SZX, and HKG are all in this region).



Quoting Fxra (Reply 4):
SO we put our hubs where the stuff is.




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User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6391 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 10):
What I was trying to point out was the fact that two US carriers setting up hubs in China is quite an achievement, one that even the US government and its negotiators did not envisage being granted rights to.

I'm thinking the opposite scenario - what's the chance for a Chinese carrier to be granted eighth freedom within the US to set up a hub and carry cargo around domestically? Next to nil.

I'd say in this particular regard, China is probably a lot more open than the US.



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User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7263 posts, RR: 85
Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6355 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Reply 7):
March 3rd Fedex has nonstop flights to BKK, CDG, CRK, HAN, KIX, ICN, KUL, NRT, PVG SIN, SYD

No SYD, but ALA and MNL are n/s that day.


User currently offlineCosmicCruiser From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2255 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6333 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 12):
I don't understand why FX did this, force people out of jobs,

It is a crap airport to fly into, especially in bad weather. Granted we did have our own ILS and GPS apps but still.. They knew at least 2 years in advance it was going to shutdown and with the big move to attracting the Asian tourist trade with a new port and hotels and restaurants there will be more jobs available and we may not be missed that much.

If it didn't screw this up here are some pics from the actually 1st REVENUE flight to CAN in Dec 08.





User currently offlineWeb From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 427 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6179 times:



Quoting FXramper (Thread starter):
When the 77F is delivered, IND-CAN will be n/s.

I see a slight problem with this, as IND-CAN is 6,873 nm per GCM and Boeing lists the 777F range at 4,885 nm. Perhaps a stop will be made somewhere and the flight will be direct?



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User currently offlineBrendows From Norway, joined Apr 2006, 1020 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6000 times:



Quoting Web (Reply 17):
I see a slight problem with this, as IND-CAN is 6,873 nm per GCM and Boeing lists the 777F range at 4,885 nm. Perhaps a stop will be made somewhere and the flight will be direct?

Boeing lists the range at 4885nm with full payload (103 metric tons). When FX bought the 77F they claimed they would fill it with about 74 metric tons of cargo (due to the lower payload densities on the cargo they carry), hence the ability to fly IND-CAN non-stop.


User currently offlineRampguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5510 times:



Quoting Web (Reply 17):
I see a slight problem with this, as IND-CAN is 6,873 nm per GCM and Boeing lists the 777F range at 4,885 nm. Perhaps a stop will be made somewhere and the flight will be direct?

Would you kindly share with us where you got this information? I'd like to see it for myself.


User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 2005 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5450 times:

Why are they doing CAN-IND instead of CAN-MEM?

User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3170 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5417 times:



Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 14):
I'm thinking the opposite scenario - what's the chance for a Chinese carrier to be granted eighth freedom within the US to set up a hub and carry cargo around domestically? Next to nil.

About the same chance as UPS and FX operating domestically in China, which at present they cannot do - they do not have 8th freedom rights. Hence the reason for carriers such as Yangtze River Express.

If a Chinese company wanted to contract space in UPS or FedEx aircraft within the US, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm not aware of any restriction preventing this. This is a better analogy.



FLYi
User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7263 posts, RR: 85
Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4675 times:
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Quoting Brendows (Reply 18):
hence the ability to fly IND-CAN non-stop.

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Quoting LV (Reply 20):
CAN-IND instead of CAN-MEM?

We plan on both routes n/s.

MEM will be limited for the next year with runway closure. It's always been the grand plan for IND to take over MEM in the AGFS operations.

Quoting CosmicCruiser (Reply 16):

Great photos Robert. When are you flying to CAN next?


User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 23, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4592 times:



Quoting Jet-lagged (Reply 9):
Can anyone point to a route map for FedEx in Asia?

FX stopped publishing routes and frequencies around 2000-2001.

Quoting Rampguy (Reply 19):



CAN (23°23'33"N 113°17'56"E) IND (39°43'02"N 86°17'41"W) 16° (N) 6873 nm
CAN (23°23'33"N 113°17'56"E) MEM (35°02'33"N 89°58'36"W) 21° (N) 7068 nm

Technical Characteristics -- Boeing 777 Freighter
Cargo Capacity Total volume:
23,051 cu ft (653 cu m)

Volume, Main Deck:
18,301 cu ft (518 cu m)
27 pallets, 96 in. x 125 in. (244 cm x 318 cm)

Volume, Lower Deck:
4,150 cu ft (117.5 cu m)
10 pallets, 96 in. x 125 in. (244 cm x 318 cm)
Bulk cargo: 600 cu ft (17.0 cu m )

Maximum Revenue Payload:
226,000 lbs. (103 metric tons)
Engines maximum thrust General Electric GE90-110B1L
110,100 lb (489 kN)
Maximum Fuel Capacity 47,890 U.S. gal (181,280 L)
Maximum Takeoff Weight 766,000 lb (347,450 kg)
with loading restrictions
Maximum Range 4,885 nautical miles (9,045 km)
with volume limit payload at 10.2 lb/ cu ft (163 kg/ cu m)
Typical Cruise Speed
at 35,000 feet 0.84 Mach
557 mph (896 km/h)
Basic Dimensions:
Wing Span
Overall Length
Tail Height

212 ft 7 in (64.8 m)
209 ft 1 in (63.7 m)
61 ft 1 in (18.6 m)

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/777...amily/pf/pf_freighter_product.html

I believe FX has 15/15 77F ordered in 2006. They also recently filled 15 option and took 15 more options. Deliveries start in 2010 with (4) 77F into service.

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2009/q1/090112b_nr.html



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User currently offlineCosmicCruiser From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2255 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4505 times:



Quoting FXramper (Reply 22):
When are you flying to CAN next?

I'll actually go thru CAN at the end of this mo. SYD-CAN then CAN-ALA.


25 Lightsaber : I'm impressed at the rights FX has at CAN. Rumor is that there was a pilfering and corruption issue in the Philippines. Can anyone confirm? It also di
26 Crownvic : Rather interesting thread...There are some interesting things though to note: 1) Ironically, manufacturing in China along with exports to the U.S. hav
27 LurveBus : Ironically, the expressway between CRK and MNL has recently been refurbished, improving travel times, plus a new expressway linking SFS and CRK has b
28 Crownvic : LurveBus...The problem is, still trying to get from the airport in Manila. The expressway is fine once your north of Manila. It the nightmare of tryin
29 Cloudyapple : Manufacturing has dropped not just in China but across the whole world. China is still manufacturing a whole lot more than the Philippines even after
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