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Scottish Aviation Thread - March 2009  
User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24906 posts, RR: 56
Posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7398 times:

Well, we've not done one of these for a while, and whilst it may seem quiet on the western front, let's take a peek at whats been happening around the aviation scene of Scotland...

Lets start with Glasgow, where yesterday a Thomas Cook plane was quarantined after returning from the Caribbean..

http://www.sundaymail.co.uk/news/sco...s-three-passengers-78057-21161630/
Only 150 passengers on, what I presume, an A330-200 is quite poor actually...

Rumours are abound that Turkish Airlines (RIP to those killed in the recent crash) are looking at starting services to GLA, something which I believe would do well on a 3 x weekly basis given the fairly large Turkish population in the West of Scotland. Of course this would also allow for an alternative way to reach Asia.

Not much news coming from Edinburgh Airport recently. More Ryanair routes are on the way, and I'd expect this to continue over the next few years, perhaps eventually getting to a base of around 8 or 9 738s...

Aberdeen is a similar story, very quiet. Eastern Airways recently took over the Scatsta contract replacing the recently defunct Flightline. They are using Saab 2000s on the route. Loganair will also commence flights between Aberdeen and Cardif

Inverness see's a new weekly flight to Dusseldorf this summer with Lufthansa Regional using CRJ-700s...this flight is aimed at Germans travelling over to Scotland. The new radar has also recently become operational as well.
Aer Arann will also be commecing flights between Inverness and Dublin this month.
FlyBe will also operate INV-JER this summer

Kirkwall and Sumburgh will both see summer flights to Bergen, Norway this year - anyone know the airline operating? Could it be Wideroe?

Other frequency increases from Loganair on the following flights;
Inverness to Stornoway, Edinburgh to Sumburgh, Glasgow to Benbecula and Glasgow to the Isle of Man

And finally Prestwick, who announced in February the loss of 120 jobs. Ryanair have done very little at PIK in recent times, instead focussing their Scottish expansion at EDI. Will this year see any new routes from them? Or are we looking at a vastly reduced base, with possible closure in the near future?
With Air France Cargo recieving 777Fs, will they still operate some flights through PIk to/from the US, or could they drop the PIK stop, currently being flown with B744Fs?

Anyway, hopefully there are some other Scots out there who are willing to contribute to this thread  Wink Non-Scots are of course welcome to participate too, but you need to bring your own beer to the party  Wink


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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7387 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7345 times:

I understand that Loganair have had one of their 340s , G-GNTB, converted to a freighter and that it re-entered service on 16 December operating as LOG778 under contract to Royal Mail.

Does anyone know where the freighter conversion was carried out, the livery in which this aircraft is now flying and the routes it is now operating on?


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24906 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7340 times:

Well, I've found that Kirkwall-Bergen and Sumburgh-Bergen will be operated by Loganair/Flybe 2 and 3 weekly respectively during June-August.


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User currently offlineKennyK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 482 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7339 times:

I have fond memories of flying from Edinburgh to Sumburgh and on to Unst on a regular basis in 1999/2000. On the way I got diverted via Glasgow, Aberdeen, Inverness, Wick, Kirkwall, Lerwick and Scatsta. Almost all Loganair Saab 340 with the odd Islander for the Sumburgh to Unst link and a solitary ATP from Glasgow to Sumburgh via Wick.

It would be interesting to see Loganairs fleet now they will mostly be in Flybe colours, quite a change from the old BA colours I was used too.


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24906 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7332 times:



Quoting KennyK (Reply 3):
It would be interesting to see Loganairs fleet now they will mostly be in Flybe colours, quite a change from the old BA colours I was used too.

I think the SF340s are just about all in FyBe colours now, but the Twotters are all white?



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User currently offlineEXTspotter From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7321 times:

How is the partnership going between Loganair and Flybe? I haven't heard much.

Alex @ EXT



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User currently offlineDamian From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 244 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7248 times:

Ownership - The Competition Commission is due to publish its findings on BAA's joint ownership of EDI and GLA. Their preliminary findings have already indicated they believe EDI needs to be sold off, but we should get a fuller analysis of their thinking in March.

Airport expansion - Following completion of the £30m skyhub extension at GLA it's now all systems go for a similar £40m expansion of EDI's departure lounge, and work should be getting under way in earnest this month, though it's not expected to be completed for a couple of years.

Surface transport - The cost of the Glasgow Airport Rail Link seems to be edging up all the time while being accompanied by the usual delays customary for these major transport projects. Similarly the tram link to EDI is likely to be delayed while the Edinburgh City Council and the tram contractors try to settle a dispute over costs.

New routes starting this month:

ABZ - bmi regional to Birmingham

EDI - Jet 2 to Dusseldorf, Ryanair to Bologna, Cagliari, Carcassonne, Leipzig-Altenburg, Limoges, Malta and Rome-Ciampino


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24906 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7247 times:

Going by whats said elsewhere, FlyGlobespan's 757 has now left the fleet. With 3 of the 763s on lease, and the 4th one wherever it is, it looks like the GLA-SFB flights will be operated onboard 737-800s for the next couple of weeks  Wow!


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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24906 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7245 times:



Quoting Damian (Reply 6):
Surface transport - The cost of the Glasgow Airport Rail Link seems to be edging up all the time while being accompanied by the usual delays customary for these major transport projects. Similarly the tram link to EDI is likely to be delayed while the Edinburgh City Council and the tram contractors try to settle a dispute over costs.

GARL is probably gonna be vastly underused anyway if it ever gets built, judging by the dwindling numbers passing through GLA.

Would a tram link, ala, EDI, not be suitable and more cost effective?



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User currently offlineMHG From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 774 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7147 times:

Any news from the last independent scottish airline Highland Airways ???
( beside semi-independent Loganair )

Haven´t heard anything recently ...

Are they doing well ?"



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24906 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7147 times:



Quoting MHG (Reply 9):
Any news from the last independent scottish airline Highland Airways ???
( beside semi-independent Loganair )

Haven´t heard anything recently ...

Are they doing well ?"

They've recently one a contract to run a thrice daily flight in Finland on behalf of Fly Lappeenranta and have also started recieving some ex Eastern Airways J41s. They seem to be doing nicely  Smile



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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7095 times:

Dont forget Dundee. Flybe taking over the existing summer Saturday charter to Jersey as a scheduled service


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User currently offlineBy188b From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 709 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7010 times:



Quoting Gkirk (Reply 7):
Going by whats said elsewhere, FlyGlobespan's 757 has now left the fleet. With 3 of the 763s on lease, and the 4th one wherever it is, it looks like the GLA-SFB flights will be operated onboard 737-800s for the next couple of weeks

Not sure if this is factually true, apparently the 757 is only away on contract and will be back in time for the SFB. but time will telll......



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24906 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6901 times:

Oh, and Scotlands first easyHotel - run by easyJet founder Stellios, will now be built in Glasgow rather than Edinburgh...

Extremely quiet it seems...roll on April  Wink



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User currently offlineKennyK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 482 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 6828 times:

For years I have thought it would be great to see Scotland with it's own airline to rival BA, Easyjet etc... I thought Air Scotland wanted to pick up that mantle but they came and went. Just imagine Loganair with a fleet of a dozen or so 737/A320s plying Europe and a few 767/A330s opening up Edinburgh and Glasgow to the world, well small bits of it.  cheeky 

User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24906 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 6803 times:



Quoting KennyK (Reply 14):
For years I have thought it would be great to see Scotland with it's own airline to rival BA, Easyjet etc... I thought Air Scotland wanted to pick up that mantle but they came and went. Just imagine Loganair with a fleet of a dozen or so 737/A320s plying Europe and a few 767/A330s opening up Edinburgh and Glasgow to the world, well small bits of it. cheeky

Thats what FlyGlobespan could do, if they stopped flying from MAN, LGW, BFS and DUB and concentrated on ABZ,EDI and GLA  Wink



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24906 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6727 times:

Unfortunately the Plane Stupid group has now come to Scotland  Sad
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/north_east/7920294.stm

What a bunch of idiots!



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User currently offlineGLAGAZ From UK - Scotland, joined Feb 2004, 1982 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6669 times:



Quoting Gkirk (Reply 16):

Those twats should be given the same treatment the birds get when they enter an airport perimeter..

Gaz



Neutrality means that u don't really care cos the struggle goes on even when ur not there, blind and unaware
User currently offlineNighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5126 posts, RR: 34
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6664 times:



Quoting GLAGAZ (Reply 17):
Those twats should be given the same treatment the birds get when they enter an airport perimeter..

Gaz

play squawking noises at them?



That'll teach you
User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24906 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6528 times:

And in the big news of today, EAT are to open a restaurant in Glasgow Airport
http://www.fhr-net.co.uk/travel_news...aurant_to_open_at_glasgow_airport/



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24906 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 6398 times:

Seems like someone got caught out at PIK with all this Thomas Cook/Ryanair fiasco...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/co...urance-and-inoculation-advice.html



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24906 posts, RR: 56
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6196 times:

I don't suppose anybody knows when FlyGlobespan are due to recieve the Boeing 787s that they have on order do they?

Not much else happening in Scotland this march  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineNighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5126 posts, RR: 34
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6099 times:



Quoting Gkirk (Reply 21):
I don't suppose anybody knows when FlyGlobespan are due to recieve the Boeing 787s that they have on order do they?

a few years after the thing flies for the first time.



That'll teach you
User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24906 posts, RR: 56
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6086 times:



Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 22):
a few years after the thing flies for the first time.

So around about 2050 then?



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User currently offlineBochora From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2008, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6065 times:

Prestwick fogbound this morning with diversions to GLA of FR and Wizz

25 Nighthawk : The excitement never stops in Scottish aviation!
26 Post contains links Gkirk : Well I guess I can answer the question about AF and the 777Fs through PIK. Some photos can be found here courtesy of "aviationpiks"
27 SXDFC : This maybe a stupid question, but what is considered the national airline of Scotland? Was/Is there one?
28 Gkirk : You could either say LoganAir or FlyGlobespan.
29 Nighthawk : ... or say "There isnt one"
30 Gkirk : What about Highland Airways? City Star could have been it....oooops
31 Damian : There is no real national airline in Scotland, not in the same sense that Aer Lingus is the national airline of Ireland. I don't think if you stopped
32 Gkirk : So we'll agree it's Thomas Cook or Thomson Airways then
33 EXTspotter : Aren't they going to combine soon to become MyTUIAirwaysTravelLite? We've all seen wierder things happen... As for scotland's national airline - its a
34 Gkirk : Oi, don't diss First Scotrail
35 Post contains links Gkirk : So passenger numbers at EDI in Feb 2009 were down 11.8% compared to Feb 2008. Not a surprise given the economic climate http://business.scotsman.com/t
36 Damian : Yeah, but remember all the cancellations from the snow at the beginning of the month, and of there was no Feb 29th this year! Though I've no doubt all
37 Gkirk : WTF? You haven't been living in cloud cuckoo land have you? Ryanair are launching a crap load of new routes from EDI this summer...
38 WAC : First Group should create/merge an airline...they such mega transportation group they have got the skills... names could be First Scotland First Air F
39 Gkirk : So QR are due to announce 2 new European routes. Could EDI be one of them? As I have said elsewhere, I very much doubt EK will start EDI, so IMO, if E
40 Damian : We shall see. Certainly the lack of a Middle East connection for a significant UK destination such as Edinburgh is not good, but my money is on EK get
41 Gkirk : Why EK?
42 David_itl : I've seen elsewhere that GLA-DOH 4 weekly is on the cards as QR not able to lift both cargo and pax in sufficient numbers ex-EDI. They can have full p
43 Gkirk : SAS have announced that they are permananently dropping EDI-ARN from the end of September.
44 WAC : What about QR doing ABZ for the petroleum market with one of their A319LR???
45 Gkirk : Quite possible I suppose, but I think the economic climate will put paid to that for the time being.
46 Needmolegroom : Well once a ponce a time there was British Caledonian Airways...........oh happy days....
47 Damian : EDI's runway is only a few bus lengths shorter than GLA's. If QR is interested in EDI they can eaisly operate an A330 service with no issues. Are you
48 Gkirk : Dunno about that, EK seem to do fine from NCL with an A332 and the runway there is a good 800ft shorter than EDIs.
49 RonmacIAH : Excellent thread to start GKIRK - I'm making a trip from IAH to GLA in September on CAL with a stop at EWR. Haven't been to Glasgow since the late 90'
50 David_itl : There's not too many significant destinations in the UK outside London at the moment; the RBS fiasco will no doubt mainfest itself over the next few
51 LH121GLA : Haha - is this guy a comedian?! Dwindling passenger numbers over the past year Lack of decent, core, international services
52 Gordonsmall : Runway length may not be the limiting factor. There's a fair bit more to making a safe takeoff than simply having enough tarmac in front of you when
53 Post contains links Gkirk : Typical East Coast thugs http://deadlinescotland.wordpress.co.../businessmans-mid-air-bust-up-719/
54 Baexecutive : GLA is an absolute joke. What went wrong?
55 Gkirk : Edinburgh stopped being a sleeping giant
56 KennyK : If there was to be a hub to serve Scotland, which would be best, Edinburgh or Glasgow? Due to location I would say Edinburgh, get a fast rail/metro ty
57 Gkirk : Demolish both GLA and EDI, and build a mega airport half way in between. And if that means demolishing Cumbernauld, so be it
58 Nighthawk : The same rail link that the SNP just scrapped? Waste of money. Just build up EDI and install a rail link. If trains from Aberdeen could also be route
59 GLAGAZ : You couldn't upgrade EDI enough to handle the aircraft and passengers that would use it. The only option would be to build a new airport and scale bo
60 Post contains links GLAGAZ : The link below will take you to an airline idea i flirted around with a while back. Its very basic and also incomplete. I have no expertise in busines
61 Bochora : Very in-depth and detailed idea! I'll fly for you if you ever make something of this!!
62 GLAGAZ : Thanks =) I highly doubt it would ever get off the ground Unless there is anyone out there with the money and determintion to make it work. I'd like
63 Post contains links Nighthawk : Ryanair have been sniffing around Aberdeen airport recently, there was an article in the local rag stating that ryanair would love to start flights to
64 Bochora : Does anyone know what loads are like on EK's GLA-DXB at the moment? Seems to have a good on-time performance currently which is good because I am trav
65 David_itl : Going off January's loads, we're talking about 75% full. The February provisional stats are due out today.
66 Post contains links Gkirk : First of all, Happy St Patricks Day to our Irish cousins. Oh to be sure, to be sure http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssI...UtilitiesNews/idUSLF4500972
67 Nighthawk : They also operate a monday flight, has this also been cut then? Certainly not good for weekend breaks, i would have thought they would have been the
68 David_itl : Doubt it's BAA's charges causing the problems, given the raft of dropped routes and reduced frequencies they've announced from DUB.
69 Needmolegroom : The limited number of International flights at EDI/GLA, largely stems from decisions made a few decades ago. Back then Prestwick had an exclusive lock
70 Humberside : Monday, Thursday and Sunday were the days of operation i found yesterday using the FR online timetable
71 David_itl : So an airport whose catchment area is bigger than Scotland's population needed the PIK restrictions to get the airlines to come in. Nothing at all do
72 Needmolegroom : Must be almost 40 years since I visited MAN - it has seen explosive growth since then - no denying that was going to happen. But in those 'golden year
73 Nighthawk : Catchment isnt everything - if the people cant afford to fly, then they wont do so. The propensity to fly in Edinburgh is second only to parts of Lon
74 Post contains links BMIE70 : All the MCA Coastguard Sikorsky S92s at Sumburgh and Stornoway have been grounded following the discovery of flaws in the gearbox oil filter mounting
75 WAC : Should have bought from augusta wesltand, AW101 would have been perfect
76 Baexecutive : Will someone please tell Loganair to update the fleet page and get rid of the twotter in BA Landor colours
77 Gkirk : They are now allowed to fly again Any more on the rumoured Turkish Airlines service to Glasgow? And I see the new GSM 767-300 has been seen at ATL, p
78 Sandyb123 : This is actually the best option IMO, but the stupid SNP would never be brave enough to do it. Funnily enough Cumbernauld airport is in a good locati
79 GLAGAZ : "Whooooosh" We were talking about a single airport capable of handing the entire central belt's air traffic Sandy. Ofcourse EDI is being expanded jus
80 ScottishLaddie : Well you're the first person I've heard say that! This is Scotland's busiest airport and it has 4 international contact stands, 6 at a push if you wa
81 Needmolegroom : Yes, I've experienced that.......arrive overnight from the US, no jetway......down the steps in the rain, splash around various portacabins, through
82 Sandyb123 : Sorry you are right, this is a fair point. I am going on my recent experiences of taking the EI to DUB but that has been winter time. Yes, I wasn't s
83 Post contains links GLAGAZ : GLA is streaks ahead: GLA has 9 large stands and 3 jumbo sized stands. All capable of widebody aircraft. This may have increased with the addition of
84 Bochora : Along with the clocks, EK have changed their flight numbers to 27/8 from 25/6. Do we know why?
85 Bochora : Virgin return to Scotland today to operate Orlando flight from GLA. Any idea what aircraft?
86 EDICHC : I think you will find that the relatively low population of persons with Jamaican origins in Scotland compared to those in the North West of England
87 Nighthawk : 744. In other news, Bond Helicopters have grounded all their Aberdeen based aircraft as a result of the crash on Wednesday, which claimed the lives o
88 David_itl : I know that, but I stated it because of the idiocy that MAN's growth came at the expense of Scotland. ______ Does anyone have any idea of the scope o
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