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US New PHL-TLV Service, Plane Overnights In TLV?  
User currently offlineDelawareUSA From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 104 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10659 times:

Was looking at the new US airways service PHL-TLV. Why would the leave the aircraft in TLV from 3:30 pm to 11:50 am next day?

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User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10554 times:

WHat dates were you looking at?
The return leaves at 11:15 PM


User currently offlineKinglobjaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10446 times:

Plane gets in at 3:30PM, and leaves 11:50PM on that very same day. That is 8 hours and 20 minutes in TLV.

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User currently offlineCarlos1979 From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10395 times:

What kind of plane is US going to use on this route? Do they have a spare 330 around that they could use? I remember reading somewhere that their 762s don't have the range to make TLV non stop from PHL.....

User currently offlineJlbmedia From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 621 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10366 times:
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When are the new A332's due in? Are there any pictures of them yet at the airbus factory?


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User currently offlineRW170 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 430 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10291 times:



Quoting Carlos1979 (Reply 3):
What kind of plane is US going to use on this route? Do they have a spare 330 around that they could use?

They are using new Airbus A330-200s that are being delivered this year.



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User currently offlineSeaBosDca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5077 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10084 times:



Quoting Carlos1979 (Reply 3):
oing to use on this route? Do they have a spare 330 around that they could use? I remember reading somewhere that their 762s don't have the range to make TLV non stop from PHL.....

They have to use the new A332s as neither their 762 nor their A333 has the range.



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User currently offlineWn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 991 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9957 times:

IIRC the first two deliveries are scheduled for May.

Quoting Jlbmedia (Reply 4):
When are the new A332's due in?




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User currently offlineSoxfan From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 862 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 9925 times:

Are the new A330s going to have the new J seats? To stay on topic, I would imagine that J-class travelers would appreciate them over the current A330 seats, and the cabin environment better than the 762s which are older and a bit more worn.


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User currently offlinePHLapproach From Philippines, joined Mar 2004, 1229 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9729 times:

Envoy on the new 332s will be diagonal lie-flat seats with privacy wall. To my understanding just like what AC has up front. 279 is not supposed to come out of the factory with those seats installed due to the late decision on the interior config. 280 will be the first delivered with the privacy walls and every subsequential A332 delivery. In the winter, as the A333s are sent for their yearly C-Checks then the new lie flats will be installed.

User currently offlineWhappeh From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1562 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 9584 times:



Quoting PHLapproach (Reply 9):
Envoy on the new 332s will be diagonal lie-flat seats with privacy wall. To my understanding just like what AC has up front. 279 is not supposed to come out of the factory with those seats installed due to the late decision on the interior config. 280 will be the first delivered with the privacy walls and every subsequential A332 delivery. In the winter, as the A333s are sent for their yearly C-Checks then the new lie flats will be installed.


Counting down the days until I can work the first A332 for US. Wit Rollers!!

Is there any truth to the rumor that Row 1 is being removed on the 330s for 2 more rows of regular envoy?



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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2969 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9338 times:



Quoting PHLapproach (Reply 9):
Envoy on the new 332s will be diagonal lie-flat seats with privacy wall. To my understanding just like what AC has up front. 279 is not supposed to come out of the factory with those seats installed due to the late decision on the interior config. 280 will be the first delivered with the privacy walls and every subsequential A332 delivery. In the winter, as the A333s are sent for their yearly C-Checks then the new lie flats will be installed

Sweet, thats gonna be so awesome!!! Does anyone know what US will name the seats or will they remain Envoy? And when does ship 280 get delivered. And when you talk about the 333, are you saying the lie flat seats like on the 762 are gonna be installed or the flat bed seats like AC and the 332.

Quoting Whappeh (Reply 10):
Is there any truth to the rumor that Row 1 is being removed on the 330s for 2 more rows of regular envoy?

I didn't even hear anything about it, I hope it's not true. I think US should had never axed 3 class service. Today, i think a lot of people don't even know about the flat bed seats until they get on the plane. You can't book them and you can't find info on them online.



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User currently offlineIliriBDL From Germany, joined May 2007, 1205 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9225 times:



Quoting Jlbmedia (Reply 4):
When are the new A332's due in? Are there any pictures of them yet at the airbus factory?



Quoting Wn676 (Reply 7):
IIRC the first two deliveries are scheduled for May.

Yep you got it Wn676.

2 in May (279 & 280), and then 1 each in September (281), November (282) and December (283), so total 5 for this year.



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User currently offlineSxf24 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1250 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9175 times:



Quoting PHLapproach (Reply 9):
Envoy on the new 332s will be diagonal lie-flat seats with privacy wall. To my understanding just like what AC has up front.

US can't use those seats (the ones AC has), as DL has an exclusive license for the US market. The new 767 seats are fine, I don't see why US can't use those.


User currently offlineTheGMan From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 606 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9174 times:



Quoting USAirALB (Reply 11):
I didn't even hear anything about it, I hope it's not true. I think US should had never axed 3 class service. Today, i think a lot of people don't even know about the flat bed seats until they get on the plane. You can't book them and you can't find info on them online.

Nobody wanted to pay for the service. Most times they filled the seats with Envoy passengers and non-revs.


User currently offlineSemsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9142 times:

Scheduling. By leaving close to midnight they arrive early AM in Philly. If they left at 5 PM they would arrive at about 3 AM too early in Philly.

User currently offlineUS333 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8961 times:



Quoting USAirALB (Reply 11):
Today, i think a lot of people don't even know about the flat bed seats until they get on the plane. You can't book them and you can't find info on them online.

They actually market the first row as "GoEnvoySleeper" per their website. If you have a regular Envoy ticket you can spend $300 and upgrade to the first row. It's discussed at the very bottom of the page:

http://www.usairways.com/awa/content...ntheair/envoyfirst/envoyclass.aspx


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2969 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8495 times:



Quoting Sxf24 (Reply 13):
US can't use those seats (the ones AC has), as DL has an exclusive license for the US market. The new 767 seats are fine, I don't see why US can't use those.

Yes, but they need to compete with others. PHL is very close to EWR so they are competing directly with CO. That's why they are getting them. Plus by 2013, those 767's will be gone. The 332's won't. The new Envoy seats would be modern if the year is 1999. It's 2009, we gotta compete.



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User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7883 times:



Quoting Semsem (Reply 15):
By leaving close to midnight they arrive early AM in Philly. If they left at 5 PM they would arrive at about 3 AM too early in Philly.

What time is it scheduled to arrive in PHL?


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21077 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7744 times:



Quoting SeaBosDca (Reply 6):
They have to use the new A332s as neither their 762 nor their A333 has the range.

If DL can make JFK-AMM with a 763, it seems like US should be able to make PHL-TLV with a 762. Is there something different about US's aircraft that limits their range?

-Mir



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User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7561 times:

Don't LY fly MIA-TLV on a 762?


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User currently offlineFedExFlyerPHL From United States of America, joined May 2008, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7501 times:

I think I remember reading that the US 762 are older ones (esp. the -201ERs) that have derated engines compared to some of the other -200ER that can make it. Can anyone else provide the details again?

Jeff



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User currently offlineSxf24 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1250 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7469 times:



Quoting USAirALB (Reply 17):
Yes, but they need to compete with others. PHL is very close to EWR so they are competing directly with CO. That's why they are getting them. Plus by 2013, those 767's will be gone. The 332's won't. The new Envoy seats would be modern if the year is 1999. It's 2009, we gotta compete.

Well, they should have thought of that before they spent millions putting new seats in the 767. A long-term operating plan of 3 different Envoy seats is silly.


User currently offlineTheGMan From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 606 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7407 times:



Quoting Mir (Reply 19):
If DL can make JFK-AMM with a 763, it seems like US should be able to make PHL-TLV with a 762. Is there something different about US's aircraft that limits their range?

Right now PHL-FCO operates with a 762, and it is often weight limited on the westbound leg.


User currently offlineIliriBDL From Germany, joined May 2007, 1205 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7272 times:



Quoting Rjpieces (Reply 18):
What time is it scheduled to arrive in PHL?

Depart PHL 9:15pm Arrive TLV 3:30pm
Depart TLV 11:15pm Arrive PHL 5:10am



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25 Post contains images SeaBosDca : Yes. They have lower MTOW and less capable engines. I don't know what would be involved in an upgrade to either (whether, for instance, these birds c
26 USAirALB : So what are you saying? Are they not getting those suites?
27 DeltaL1011man : but if DL has the the rights to the seats then US will have to pick a new seat.
28 EXAAUADL : can anyone tell me what time is US's first bank from PHL and what cities are in it? Will 510am be too early an arrival?
29 TWA902fly : given 1:00-3:00 for a connection looks like the cities possible are SFO BOS IAD DCA LGA LAX ORD BOS PWM IND ORF YUL GSO CVG CLE JAX RDU ALB CMH SYR LG
30 Sxf24 : Yes. I thought that was clear.
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