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User currently offlineKennyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 81 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9131 times:

Hello everyone,

This is my first topic on A.net, so please be indulgent  

Recently, there were constructions on one of the two runways at NCE (I believe 4R/22L, correct me if I'm wrong) to make it wider: 9 and a half meters wider on each side, in order for the A380 to use that runway without having to shut down the 2 exterior-most engines. Last summer, it made 2 test landings at NCE but had to shut down the 2 exterior engines for security reasons (the runway was too narrow).

Also, terminal two will soon undergo modifications to provide jetways for the A380 and a bigger terminal area.

Question: What airline is going to fly the A380 to NCE in the future and from where? Rumors last year were that Emirates would switch the A340 to the A380, but I haven't heard much of that lately.

Thank you all for your insights,

Kenny

[Edited 2009-03-02 13:59:12]

[Edited 2009-03-02 13:59:45]


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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15459 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9002 times:



Quoting Kennyone (Thread starter):
Question: What airline is going to fly the A380 to NCE in the future and from where?

Nobody. Probably for rich guys with VIP A380s who want to go to Monaco. I don't think that an airline would schedule 380s into Nice.



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User currently offlineKennyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8983 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):

Nobody. Probably for rich guys with VIP A380s who want to go to Monaco. I don't think that an airline would schedule 380s into Nice.

If that is the case, why would they build the gates for the A380 at Terminal 2?



Soarin'
User currently offlineBy188b From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8947 times:

Dont Air France use 773 on ORY-NCE during Summer? and they use T2. Perhaps AF will use some A380 during the layover from Longhaul flights, ideal for crew training too.


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User currently offlineSAAB900 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 485 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8914 times:



Quoting Kennyone (Reply 2):
If that is the case, why would they build the gates for the A380 at Terminal 2?

It could be incase one has to divert into Nice? For example if Paris & the surrounding airports were closed due to fog!

Dave(SAAB900)



Quoting Kennyone (Thread starter):
This is my first topic on A.net, so please be indulgent

PS Welcome to A.net!


User currently offlineKennyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8885 times:



Quoting SAAB900 (Reply 4):

PS Welcome to A.net!

Thanks!  Smile

Quoting By188b (Reply 3):
Dont Air France use 773 on ORY-NCE during Summer?

Yes they do, they once used the 744 on CDG-NCE

Quoting By188b (Reply 3):
and they use T2. Perhaps AF will use some A380 during the layover from Longhaul flights, ideal for crew training too.

Seems pretty realistic to me. Thanks!



Soarin'
User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4845 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8858 times:

I'm going to guess it's so that bin-Talal and his entourage can summer in style in their hotspot of choice.

YOWza



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User currently offlineAF2323 From France, joined Aug 2007, 122 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8827 times:

Emirates and Air France ... sorry, Airfrance  Wink , are the two airline that asked Nice to be A380 compliant, so it's safe to assume that we will see A380 from both carriers... I guess Airfrance ones will not be seen as often as Emirates ones, as the plan is only to use Nice for diversions or special flights.

User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 2927 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8606 times:



Quoting AF2323 (Reply 7):
Emirates and Air France ... sorry, Airfrance Wink , are the two airline that asked Nice to be A380 compliant, so it's safe to assume that we will see A380 from both carriers

How are EK loads into NCE now?

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1907 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8564 times:

As far as I know, Nice will be the official diversion airport in France for Air France A380 operations when needed. Air France will not commit A380 "commercial" operations from Nice. Well, never say never of course  Smile

Emirates have also said they were interested in linking Dubai with the A380, but I don't know the status of these plans.

Cheers!  wave 



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21415 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8545 times:

EK plans to. Been known for quite a while.

When you have 50+ A380s on order, you have to fly it lots of places. And there is/was strong demand between the South of France and Dubai.

I think it's cheaper to keep two yachts, one in the Persian Gulf and one in the Med than it is to keep sailing back and forth.   Wink

[Edited 2009-03-02 23:39:50]


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User currently offlineAF2323 From France, joined Aug 2007, 122 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8305 times:



Quoting CXfirst (Reply 8):
How are EK loads into NCE now?

I don't know about load factors, but they have 5 direct flights per week since December, instead of 3 (with a stop at Rome) previously. Their traffic to Nice increased by 149% percent between January 2008 and January 2009 (whole traffic at Nice decreased by 10%).

(source in french : http://www.tourmag.com/Nice-Cote-d-A...loisirs-et-d-affaires_a30606.html)


User currently offlineAOMlover From France, joined Jul 2001, 1301 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 7777 times:

A friend of mine told me she saw the A380 performing a touch and go at NCE last week.

User currently offlineFlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7379 posts, RR: 57
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 7675 times:



Quoting By188b (Reply 3):
Dont Air France use 773 on ORY-NCE during Summer?

Yes. AF is sometimes using the B773ER on ORY-NCE on peak days during the high summer holidays season (July/August). AF uses also the B773ER on ORY-BIA.

Quoting By188b (Reply 3):
Perhaps AF will use some A380 during the layover from Longhaul flights

Very unlikely.

Quoting By188b (Reply 3):
ideal for crew training too.

More likely. Yes.
When the B744 was delivered in the early 90s, and then the B777 in the late 90s, they were used on PAR-NCE and PAR-LHR for training the pilots. AF could do the same with the A380.

Back to the topic, NCE is not rebuilding its runways just for a few AF A380 test flights, and I don't think any airline, including EK, is seriously considering to send its A380 there.
The runways maybe needed some renovation, so probably it was the occasion to make them A380 compatible ... just in case ...


User currently offlineSevendst From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 3 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 7646 times:

I was on the beach in Nice last friday and I saw the A380 land, it was coming directly towards the beach and at first glance I figured it was a 747 but when it made its turn towards the runway I realized it was the 380. It was painted in Airbus colors, I thought since Carnival was going on that week it was there for that.

User currently offlineAF2323 From France, joined Aug 2007, 122 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7342 times:



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 13):
Back to the topic, NCE is not rebuilding its runways just for a few AF A380 test flights, and I don't think any airline, including EK, is seriously considering to send its A380 there.
The runways maybe needed some renovation, so probably it was the occasion to make them A380 compatible ... just in case ...

On the other hand, NCE is investing in an A380 compliant gate with bridges for the lower and upper deck to be ready in 2011. I believe when you engage in such expenses, you do it on more than a "just in case" in mind. Now, that doesn't mean EK will use an A380 there. EK have stated that IF the demand is strong enough, they will use the A380.

To me, there is another factor in the decision : the bilateral agreements between France and Dubai. I've read somewhere that EK have reached the maximum number of flights they are allowed to operate to France... sending A380 to NCE could allow them to free up frequencies to open new routes to other french cities, like Toulouse or Lyon.


User currently offlineTHEENGINEER From Germany, joined Mar 2007, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6707 times:



Quoting Kennyone (Thread starter):
having to shut down the 2 exterior-most engines

How is that possible?


User currently offlineKennyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6676 times:

Quoting THEENGINEER (Reply 16):
How is that possible?

If I understood the question, you're asking how can they land with only 2 of the 4 engines?

Landing Gross Weight has very light, thus approaching the airport and landing there with only 2 engines was doable. Remember, at the time, the runway in use was very narrow, the 2 exterior engines were over the grass, and it was judged too dangerous if they were running because of rock blast.

[Edited 2009-03-03 12:43:38]


Soarin'
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6460 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
Nobody. Probably for rich guys with VIP A380s who want to go to Monaco. I don't think that an airline would schedule 380s into Nice.



Quoting YOWza (Reply 6):
I'm going to guess it's so that bin-Talal and his entourage can summer in style in their hotspot of choice.

Welcome to A.net Monaco Kenny! Nice to see another Monaco flag floating on the foruim!  cheerful 

My friend who is Chief of Operations (the boss) for Lufthansa in Nice said there have been some A380 flights to Nice already. He said he would let me know when one is coming but he is so busy with the Lufthansa ops and meetings that he has probably forgotten.

What I want to do is take a transport helicopter from Monaco and land at the time an A380 is on the tarmac or possibly land in the heli at the same time an A380 is landing. That would be quite a spectacular sight. LH friend said he would issue me a pass so I can go air side when an A380 comes into the airport.

What I hear it that Emirates are planning to fly them to Nice for the Cannes Film Festival and Monaco Grand Prix.

Saudi Airlines 744s are making frequent visits for private reasons with mambers the Saudi Royal family on board. I have seen several of them at various times. There was a white 744 parked at the airport last Sunday morning. I was in Nice and I saw it.

More to come soon I guess...

 airplane   camera   cheerful 



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User currently offlineSSTsomeday From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 1276 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6264 times:

Seems like pretty extensive/expensive modifications at an airport with pretty slim 380 usage, looking forward. Who pays for this construction? I doubt that the occasional 380 paying landing fees at Nice would ever recover such expense.

Perhaps with the private and chartered 747s that already go into Nice, as well as strecthed twins and stretched 340s - this is a airport expansion that has been in planning stages for a while, and is not based solely on the requirements of 380 operations?

With due respect to the poster, is he talking about widened taxiways? I can't see a 380 operating (flying... landing/taking off) on two engines. I suspect he means that the two outboard engines were restricted on taxiways? We already know that the outboard engines on the 380 do not thrust reverse...



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User currently offlineKennyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6191 times:

Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 19):
With due respect to the poster, is he talking about widened taxiways?

Nope, not widened taxiways   I'm talking about constructions which ended last week or 2 weeks ago, to make one of the two runways wider. And these were specifically accomplished for the A380, according to the French media. Also, note Terminal 2 is getting new gates and an enhanced area specially for the A380.

Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 19):
I can't see a 380 operating (flying... landing/taking off) on two engines

Well, that's what happened: Approach and landing in Nice with only 2 engines running. I'm not sure if they actually had all 4 on t/o, I doubt the A380 can take off with only 2 engines, especially in NCE as the standard departure procedure is a tight right turn to the South just after t/o.

Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 19):
I suspect he means that the two outboard engines were restricted on taxiways? We already know that the outboard engines on the 380 do not thrust reverse...

Nope, not what I meant, as explained above.

 

[Edited 2009-03-03 13:04:27]


Soarin'
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6190 times:



Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 19):
Who pays for this construction?

For part the French State and for another part the Regional Council.

Also the latest novelty is that Nice is bidding for the 2018 Winter Olympics so they have to prove that the airport infrastructure is sufficient to bring in all the necessary flights for such a high venue as if we needed it!

For one I wish they will not win the bid as it is the tax payers who will have to foot a great part of the bill not counting on the public debt that's already huge and there needs no more!



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21415 posts, RR: 60
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5890 times:



Quoting Kennyone (Reply 20):
Also, note Terminal 2 is getting new gates and an enhanced area specially for the A380.

Not sure why they would need to build more jetways for the A380 in Nice. Sure, it might speed up boarding, but my experience in Nice has been that being on time for things like departures is not a priority.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5815 times:

I will emal my Airbus VVIP friend in TLS tomorrow. He is the A380 Chief Test Pilot so I know he will give me all the right answers about A380s in Nice as he always does.  airplane   cheerful 

I will report about his answers here. I want to know for sure and from the right source.



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineKennyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5687 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 23):
I will emal my Airbus VVIP friend in TLS tomorrow. He is the A380 Chief Test Pilot so I know he will give me all the right answers about A380s in Nice as he always does. airplane cheerful

I will report about his answers here. I want to know for sure and from the right source.

Thank you MadameConcorde! It's very nice of you to share that information with us when you have it!

A bientot  

[Edited 2009-03-03 14:25:37]


Soarin'
25 Kennyone : What do you mean exactly?
26 MadameConcorde : I emailed my question about Nice to "Mr Airbus380" at TLS Blagnac. I received his answer this evening. They sent an A380 to Nice to do some tests on
27 YULWinterSkies : Does this mean GVA and LYS would also get runway improvements, for the respective biddings of Annecy (/Genève) and Grenoble for the same 2018 olympi
28 Dennys : Well it was officially said " in air et cosmos " magazine that EK was to plan Nice with the A380 . In this case , would that mean that the flifght sto
29 Ikramerica : It means that both times I left there (my experience), none of the flights seemed to be on time (mine, or those around me), and nobody seemed very co
30 SSTsomeday : Forgive me, I must say that this sounds very irregular. I'm sure you believe that your information is correct, but with respect, I suspect it is inco
31 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : For as much as I know the Airbus test pilots and I know them well, I seriously doubt that they landed the A380 in Nice on two engines. Their navigatio
32 AirNovaBAe146 : Kennyone - with due respect, your answers make no sense. You mix just enough aviation words in to make your answer seem plausible to those who aren't
33 N14AZ : Maybe he mixed it up with the fact that the A380 has no thrust reversers on the outer engines.
34 Scouseflyer : That's very interesting - I wonder if it's an existing client looking at flying there or a new customer (likely to be a VIP one I'm guessing) looking
35 MadameConcorde : This A380 flight to Nice was not a training flight. The flight purpose was runway and taxiway testing by Airbus test pilots on a client's request. Th
36 Dennys : to MadameConcorde , it is what i thought : opperating the A380 with a stop in ROME . Do you think the plane could have traffic rifgts ROM-NCE or NCE -
37 MadameConcorde : I have no idea... You wll have to find out the answer from Emirates when the time comes. It is still a while until Emirates will open these A380 to R
38 Kennyone : AN, here is the exact text I am typing off the newspaper for you (Obviously in French, as my source is in French - also excuse me for not typing the
39 MadameConcorde : Kennyone, the media are always looking for sensationalism. They will say anything that will make more sales to their newspapers and more listeners to
40 AirNovaBAe146 : Kenny: I have over 6400 hours of flight time, an ATP, CFI/II/MEI, 2 type ratings, over 3000 hrs as an airline pilot, have flown 3 transport category a
41 Post contains links Ncelhr : Most of what needed to be said has already been said above, but if I may, I'll point a few things out: 1. According to the official document: http://w
42 Kennyone : Thanks for all of this information! Appreciate it Thank you everyone for helping gather information !! Good day to all !!
43 Scouseflyer : I'm guessing TLS could also be considered A380 ready as there have been demonstration flights from there during the testing phase.
44 Post contains images Kennyone :    Only runway-wise and taxiway-wise though. The terminal facilities aren't A380 ready at TLS, that's why NCE was chosen... I also suppose they pre
45 Levent : Not to mention the risk of being hijacked off the coast of Somalia No, it would definitely be better to fly your VIP A380 into Nice...
46 AOMlover : Wrong, Orly is well ahead of Nice. Orly handled 26.2M passengers in 2008, versus 10.4M for Nice. Nice is not the "deuxième aéroport de France" as i
47 Kennyone : Thank you for the info, I wasn't sure myself... I just remember seeing signs at NCE airport saying it was the "deuxième aéroport de France"...Would
48 FlySSC : They consider CDG & ORY as "one", as they are both serving PARIS, that's why they claim to be the "second". There is a lot of competition between reg
49 Kennyone : And another explanation of AF's choice for the A380 would be because NCE has more connecting flights around the world than Lyon, Marseille and Toulou
50 FlySSC : I don't understand what you mean ... There no long haul regular flight out of NCE, except JFK (DL) & DXB (EK). Air France doesn't operate any long ha
51 Kennyone : I meant NCE has more destinations served that Marseille, Lyon and Toulouse... - I know about the DL and EK flights to NCE. I believe DL has added a fl
52 Amirs : Why divert to NCE? Isnt LHR closer?
53 Doug_or : closer, yes. Busier, more congested, harder to get a gate, and also much more prone to lousy weather as well.
54 Kennyone : When you think of it, there are A LOT of major airports around CDG...much closer than NCE. LHR, FRA, AMS, etc... However, the weather in that area, a
55 FlySSC : Indeed, DL is operating a JFK-LYS flight with a B757. If ever CDG has to be closed for any other reason than the weather, the first diversion airport
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