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Ben Gurion Airport - Safety Concerns?  
User currently offlineRichiemo From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 218 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2643 times:

I was just reading about Ben Gurion Airport in Tel Aviv on wikipedia.org. The last line of the first paragraph mentions that the FAA has downgraded the saftey level of the airport to that of which you might see in Thailand. There is a footnoted and attached article as well. Is this possible? If you could count on anything in this stinko world it was airline/airport security in and out of Israel. The referenced article says that apparently a study done by an internal source in Israel acknowledges these concerns. Does this blow anyone else away? I didn't think you could sneeze in or around a commercial airport in Israel without it being a concern.

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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25154 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2572 times:



Quoting Richiemo (Thread starter):
If you could count on anything in this stinko world it was airline/airport security in and out of Israel.

I may be wrong but I don't think the issues involve security. There can't be many countries in the world with stricter airport security than Israel. I believe the issues raised by the FAA involve operational matters, for example air traffic control procedures etc.


User currently offlineRichiemo From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2489 times:

"Severe security shortcomings" is what the attached article says. That's why I found it surprising. A popular San Francisco conservative talk show host says Israel's liberalism will be its undoing, maybe this is a sign of it. But I shouldn't get into politics here, I digress.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25154 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2473 times:



Quoting Richiemo (Reply 2):
"Severe security shortcomings" is what the attached article says.

The use of the word "security" could be a result of inaccurate translation. For example, in French, "sécurité" more accurately translates as "safety", not "security". The closest French word for the usual English meaning of "security" is "sûreté.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25133 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2469 times:

Israel was downgraded to Cat-2 status by the FAA.

You can read more about it here;
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...general_aviation/read.main/4219291



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineRichiemo From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2444 times:

Good points - maybe not specific to the security we all think of. I raised it really only as a question. I'd wouldn't hesitate to fly there tomorrow.

User currently offlineAviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1352 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2409 times:

What's the trouble, not enough people required to take their shoes off or hand over their Popsicle sticks? Here is the US, with the most laughably ineffective security measures of anybody, criticizing the Israelis?

Actually, I suspect the downgrade has to do with something else, and not "security" as we have come to think of it. FAA classifications are more oriented toward flight op's directly, and not security.

FWIW, I was very impressed by the security screening at TLV my last time through, though I don't believe their model could work in the US...

Letter from Tel Aviv. Is the Israeli model of security right for America?
http://www.salon.com/tech/col/smith/2006/06/09/askthepilot189/

PS



Patrick Smith is an airline pilot, air travel columnist and author
User currently offlineTodaReisinger From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 2804 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2389 times:

The FAA report is not oriented on security measures meant to prevent terror attacks against airplanes and passengers at the airport.

Quoting Richiemo (Thread starter):
The referenced article says that apparently a study done by an internal source in Israel acknowledges these concerns.

That's right. And there have even been several reports and studies.....they all contained "dire results" and lists of needed improvements, but nothing was ever implemented. A multi billion $$ new terminal has been built over almost a decade and opened in Nov. 2004 with a huge delay, but instead of improving the situation it even made things more complicated on several fronts.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 3):
For example, in French, "sécurité" more accurately translates as "safety", not "security". The closest French word for the usual English meaning of "security" is "sûreté.

Safety and security as well as "sûreté" and "sécurité" are often indifferently used for the measures meant to prevent accidents (technical aspects, airplane maintenance, ATC quality, pilot formation and so on) and for those meant to prevent a terror attack against civilian airplanes or airport infrastructures (baggage scanning, X-ray machines etc).

"Sûreté" is the right word for everything related to anti-terror fight, but nevertheless it is quite rarely used and people say "contrôles de sécurité" (security checks) for the X-ray and profiling and so on; in GVA, it is even the "official" word...used when passengers to TLV are called by the charming voice..... -I loved the tone they use to call passengers to the gates already as a small child  Smile



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