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What Is The Status Of Boeing 707 VN-A394?  
User currently offlineFanofjets From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2000 posts, RR: 3
Posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 11726 times:

While cruising the Internet, I found a photo linked to Google Earth depicting a Vietnamese Boeing 707, serial VN-A394.

Here's a picture:
http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/5385928.jpg

From what I can tell, it appears that this aircraft has been preserved in a park in Hanoi, albeit in questionable condition. I am unable to find any other information on this aircraft or its history and would be grateful for any help.

Thanks!


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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8601 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 11712 times:
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I cant answer for the status of the aircraft , but I wish that I had known about it when I was in Hanoi , I would have loved to have seen it


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User currently onlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3123 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 11707 times:

How did they land it in that park?!!! Move over, Sully Big grin

User currently offlineN471WN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1581 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 11683 times:
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I am going to be in Hanoi (first visit) on the 13 of this month and would love to see it.....can anyone tell me where this park is?

User currently offlineN471WN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1581 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 11671 times:
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There is no record in the data base of a regisrtation VN-A394....Is this correct?

User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12785 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 11656 times:
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I believe this is actually VN-A304 707-344 c/n 17929 ex ZS-SAB of SAA.


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25838 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 11633 times:



Quoting Fanofjets (Thread starter):
From what I can tell, it appears that this aircraft has been preserved in a park in Hanoi,



Quoting Fanofjets (Thread starter):
Vietnamese Boeing 707, serial VN-A394.

Are you sure it's in HAN and not SGN? There are references to an ex-Hang Khong Vietnam 707-344 which states that it has been in a park in Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon) since 1985. It refers to its last registration VN-A304, not quite the same as yours. If it's the one in the park in SGN it's the aircraft below, originally delivered to South African Airways in 1960 and with them until 1977.


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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7746 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 11630 times:

If you run VN-A394 through Jeeves you get the following location;

10 48 36.51 N
106 40 12.13 E
Near Binh Hoa Xa

According to Jet Airliner Production List VN-A304 is the only Vietnamese B707 that has no known fate.


User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 3056 posts, RR: 36
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11571 times:
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http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&sourc...TF8&geocode=FR7zpAAd1KdbBg&split=0

Not far from SGN from the looks of it.



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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5618 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 11352 times:

So just how many 707s did Hang Khong Vietnam operate??? I recall just ONE.. which would be XV-NJD...

17683 116 B707-331 JT4A-12 03/23/60 N9230Z N704PA,XV-NJD [B/U Carson,CA JUN77]

....and 2 727-100s being XV-NJB and XV-NJC (one of which is posted in my personal profile). And I'm speaking of the old US backed Gov't of South Vietnam's 'Hang Khong Vietnam/Air Vietnam' ... I also have a couple pics of the 707 XV-NJD which was a 707-331 not the SAA 707-344 as mentioned above.

Did the SAA ship join Hang Khong Vietnam AFTER Hanoi took over???

Edited To answer my own question: ...it must have, because no Vietnamese registered aircraft carried the "VN-" designator until after the Hanoi Gov't seized control of the entire country.

So...another 707 as added later, but I believe 707 XV-NJD fleed the country, and one 727 went to Taiwan ROC Air Force and the other destroyed (1974).

BN747

[Edited 2009-03-03 10:21:23]


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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5618 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 11321 times:

Boy..helps to check my own database...

17929 154 B707-344 JT4A-12 08/22/60 HANG KHONG VIETNAM VN-A304 ZS-CKD,ZS-SAB,EI-BFU [PRESERVED IN PARK @ HO CHI MINH CITY SINCE 1985]


...and there it is. No idea if it was moved to Hanoi or not. I don't think this ship ever served with the old Air Vietnam, judging by that reg.

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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7746 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11237 times:

I have 3 B707, (Jet Airliner Production List).

17929 VN-A304 leased from GPA in 1978. WFU 1980.

18832 VN-A305 bought from GPA in 1981 to VN-B1416 in 1982, VN-A81416 in 1986. Sold to Omega Air as 5X-JCR in 1989. Part of KC135 prog.

19821 VN-B1415 bought from Air Supply Corp in 1984, to VN-A81415 in 1986. Sold to Tradewinds as G-AWHU in 1989. It ended up as 5X-GLA for Great Lakes Airways in 2001 before storage at Sharjah.


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12785 posts, RR: 46
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 11218 times:
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Here it is from Google Earth. Just across the road from the main airport.
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VN 707



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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5618 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 11134 times:



Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 11):

17929 VN-A304 leased from GPA in 1978. WFU 1980.

Not sure if Jet Airliners Prod List post 17929's previous and nascent lineage.
17929 went straight from Pan Am to Hang Khong Vietnam/Air Vietnam in around 1972..perhaps it was returned and leased again from GPA in 1978.

Here are photos I took of it at Taipei-Sungshan Airport in 1973.


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Air Vietnam/Hang Khong Vietnam 707-331 at Taipei Sunshan 1973



18832's complete registration history:

18832 403 B707-321B JT3D-3B 02/05/65 BOEING 5X-JCR N401PA,EI-BKO,VN-A305,VN-B1416,VN-81416 [HULK EXTANT @ DMAFB SINCE DEC89(CZ175)]

and 19821s complete registration history:

19821 718 B707-379C JT3D-3B (HK2) 06/27/68 GREAT LAKES AIRWAYS 5X-GLA G-AWHU,9Q-CKI,VN-B3415,VN-83415,ST-GLD,9G-OLF,9G-ONE,9G-WON,5X-JEF [SEEN @ JNB 23APR02 - A/W, NO TITLES]


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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15810 posts, RR: 27
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 11116 times:



Quoting Fanofjets (Thread starter):
From what I can tell, it appears that this aircraft has been preserved in a park in Hanoi,

You're using the term preserved kind of loosely there from the looks of it. Still would be cool to see though.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25838 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 11088 times:



Quoting BN747 (Reply 13):
18832's complete registration history:

18832 403 B707-321B JT3D-3B 02/05/65 BOEING 5X-JCR N401PA,EI-BKO,VN-A305,VN-B1416,VN-81416 [HULK EXTANT @ DMAFB SINCE DEC89(CZ175)]

and 19821s complete registration history:

19821 718 B707-379C JT3D-3B (HK2) 06/27/68 GREAT LAKES AIRWAYS 5X-GLA G-AWHU,9Q-CKI,VN-B3415,VN-83415,ST-GLD,9G-OLF,9G-ONE,9G-WON,5X-JEF [SEEN @ JNB 23APR02 - A/W, NO TITLES]

Your history above appears to be from a site I often use since the wording is identical. Since that data hasn't been updated since 2003, you can't rely on it for any changes that may have taken place since then. It is however useful for historical info.


User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7746 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 11014 times:

BN747

Yes it shows full history.

It shows 17929 as a B707-344 sold to SAA in 1960, it then went to British Midland in 1977. It was sold to GPA in 1978

ZS-CKD 1960
ZS-SAB 1968
EI-BFU 1978


User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5618 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 10956 times:



Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 16):
BN747

Yes it shows full history.

It shows 17929 as a B707-344 sold to SAA in 1960, it then went to British Midland in 1977. It was sold to GPA in 1978

Bennett that is incorrect, 17929 is a 707-331, that's an ex-Pan Am ship.


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25838 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 10938 times:

Quoting BN747 (Reply 17):
Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 16):
BN747

Yes it shows full history.

It shows 17929 as a B707-344 sold to SAA in 1960, it then went to British Midland in 1977. It was sold to GPA in 1978

Bennett that is incorrect, 17929 is a 707-331, that's an ex-Pan Am ship.

That's wrong according to my sources. What is your information source? Several 707 production lists show 17929 as a 707-344 delivered to SAA in 1960. And a couple of Pan Am fleet lists don't show that aircraft as ever being part of the Pan Am fleet. They did operate half a dozen 707-331s originally ordered by TWA (31 is TW's Boeing customer number) but none with that serial number.

[Edited 2009-03-03 16:31:51]

User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5618 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10928 times:

S 17683 116 B707-331 JT4A-12 03/23/60 AEROTRON AIRCRAFT RADIO N9230Z N704PA,XV-NJD [B/U CARSON,CA JUN77]

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 18):

That's wrong according to my sources. What is your information source? Several 707 production lists show 17929 as a 707-344 delivered to SAA in 1960.

You and Bennet are correct! My apologies..I went and checked it out. And I even listed it above..aging, it's not pretty.


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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7746 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10912 times:

I also have Airlife's Classic Airliners, Buchair's Individual Aircraft History of the Boeing 707 and Boeing Jetliner Databook indicating that 17929 is ex SAA.

Do you have an LN.


User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5618 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10879 times:



Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 20):
Do you have an LN.

The LN for 17929 is 154.


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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7746 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10766 times:

Yes that matches the ex SAA B707-344.

User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5618 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10761 times:

I manage to also find a color shot of XV-XJD wearing it's PA reg..N704PA and fused it in with the all-white dual titles version..

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BN747



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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7746 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10730 times:

According to JAPL 17683 was an ex PanAm B707-331.

It was leased to Air Vietnam as XV-NJD in 1973 but was repoed by PanAm in 1975. In 1977 it was sold to Aerotron Aircraft Radio as N9230Z and scrapped at Long Beach.


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