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A380 Production To Slow Down  
User currently offlineAeroplaneFreak From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 541 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 14060 times:
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a380production.com reports from inside info the A380 Production will slow down. There is a big meeting on Wednesday to discuss it. He got it from inside info and sais it might be real or fake updates to come

Check it out

http://www.a380production.com

P.S

I have been these given reports by inside info who wants to be unamed. I know this sound very weird as it is already very slow but it is a rumor and I need to post it. I will be getting updates from him all day.

[Edited 2009-03-02 16:48:48]

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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30900 posts, RR: 87
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 13923 times:
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Quoting AeroplaneFreak (Thread starter):
I know this sound very weird as it is already very slow...

It is slow now because Airbus is in the process of increasing it. The original plan was four planes per month by early next decade, but I expect we're looking at something like 2.5 to 3 per month, instead. This would both allow for deferrals and will extend the backlog should orders slow for the near term.

[Edited 2009-03-02 17:11:16]

User currently offlineAeroplaneFreak From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 13781 times:
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Well as I said it is only a rumor from my sources I will update as I can

User currently offlineKhobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 13644 times:



Quoting AeroplaneFreak (Thread starter):
a380production.com reports from inside info the A380 Production will slow down. There is a big meeting on Wednesday to discuss it. He got it from inside info and sais it might be real or fake updates to come

Seems disingenuous for the site to claim something *will* happen and then say it's a rumor, it might be fake or real, and that they'll look into it.

I dunno, but I think if someone posted that here on a.net...oh wait, they did.  Wink


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21511 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 13566 times:

Sounds like the discussion may be real, but that would mean nothing is decided, right? After all, why would they need to talk about it Wed if it's already agreed on?


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User currently offlineAeroplaneFreak From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 13403 times:
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Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 5):
Sounds like the discussion may be real, but that would mean nothing is decided, right? After all, why would they need to talk about it Wed if it's already agreed on?

I dont know I am getting updates.


User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10008 posts, RR: 96
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 13246 times:
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Quoting AeroplaneFreak (Thread starter):
a380production.com reports from inside info the A380 Production will slow down.

From the current 12 per year?  rotfl 

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
but I expect we're looking at something like 2.5 to 3 per month, instead

I'll go on record (again) as saying I think Airbus would struggle to pass 30 next year anyway

Rgds


User currently offlineAeroplaneFreak From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 13167 times:
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Quoting Astuteman (Reply 7):
I'll go on record (again) as saying I think Airbus would struggle to pass 30 next year anyway

Rgds

I have to agree with that.


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 13132 times:



Quoting Astuteman (Reply 7):
From the current 12 per year? rotfl

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
but I expect we're looking at something like 2.5 to 3 per month, instead

I'll go on record (again) as saying I think Airbus would struggle to pass 30 next year anyway

Still it would look better if you did not pass 30 because you planned not to do so as compared with not being able to reach it.

As the optimists keep saying, every problem represents another opportunity, in this case to turn PR difficulties into a "plan". Oh well, could be worse.


User currently offlineAeroplaneFreak From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 12419 times:
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Well when it slows down I am guessing it will be at Hamburg.

User currently offlineAirproxx From France, joined Jun 2008, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 11999 times:

I heard this news not long ago from a source @ AF.... But only noises, nothing's confirmed.

By the way, I'm using this post to give you a little info: The first A380 sim for AF is now installed in AF CDG's facility, and a CAE team is currently configuring it. They already loaded a new soft and they'll come back during autumn to install the HUDs.
(To those how may ask; the first crews have been trained in TLS)
The inside of the cockpit reminds me a little bit of those of the DC10/MD11: big wide side windows descending a lot get a better view...!

Cheers



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User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2699 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 11775 times:

Most probably they will make some "bla bla bla" about the Financial Crisis in order to conceal the fact that they cannot deliver 18 airframes this year. Just my 2 cents.

Could be also related to the changeover from Wave 1 to Wave 2. Forget everything you heard about Wave 1 and Wave 2 (especially what was officially communicated by Airbus). For example MSN 045 is still a Wave 1 plane.

What I heard is that Wave 2 is a better procedure but first of all it's a NEW prodecure. It's somehow as if you married again and you get a new mother in law. The old one was ugly and made trouble all the time but at least you knew how to get along with her. Now, it takes time to get familiar with the new mother in law. In the long run she is better, but at the beginning it takes time.


User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10699 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 11722 times:



Quoting Airproxx (Reply 11):
I heard this news not long ago from a source @ AF.... But only noises, nothing's confirmed.

Der Spiegel reports today that AF is seeking to defer its 6th and 7th A380 "to save a bit of money" in 2010.


User currently offlineAeroplaneFreak From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 10911 times:
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Well the first for AF is in Hamburg and the second and third are both on the FAL.

User currently offlineNicholaschee From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 10687 times:

I doubt the information from this blog is credible considering that it's run by a 14 year old (threadstarter) who first claims that the production cuts are going to be annouced and decides that it's just a tip off from an insider. I'm sure more credible information would have been passed on to those in the industry and the media by now...

User currently offlineAirproxx From France, joined Jun 2008, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 10452 times:



Quoting Na (Reply 12):
Der Spiegel reports today that AF is seeking to defer its 6th and 7th A380 "to save a bit of money" in 2010.

Correct and that's also the reason why the 747-400 will stay longer than previously anounced (for the time being, they are scheduled to remain on the fleet until 2015...)



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21511 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9847 times:



Quoting Nicholaschee (Reply 14):
I doubt the information from this blog is credible considering that it's run by a 14 year old (threadstarter) who first claims that the production cuts are going to be annouced and decides that it's just a tip off from an insider. I'm sure more credible information would have been passed on to those in the industry and the media by now...

Are any A380 assemblies made in Australia? Could this kid be the son of somebody there?

You never know...  Wink

But you are probably right.  Smile



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User currently offlineAeroplaneFreak From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6536 times:
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I know a couple of people who work in the A380 facilty. I am still waiting for updates. Hold your horses.

User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 18, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 6025 times:



Quoting Astuteman (Reply 6):
From the current 12 per year?

It seems more likely from the recently planned 18 for 2009, but we'll have to wait and see.

Quoting Na (Reply 12):
Der Spiegel reports today that AF is seeking to defer its 6th and 7th A380 "to save a bit of money" in 2010.

http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking...s/Money/Story/STIStory_345691.html


User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8486 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5986 times:

This all just highlights that the interests of Boeing, Airbus and their customers are coinciding. As auto sales are dropping and families delay buying new cars, airlines will also hold onto their old metal a bit longer -- refurbish them slightly -- and wait for a better day, cheaper financing, better revenue prospects. During this lull, Boeing and Airbus can work out their production difficulties. The timing is good.

User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10008 posts, RR: 96
Reply 20, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5956 times:
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Quoting Zvezda (Reply 18):
It seems more likely from the recently planned 18 for 2009, but we'll have to wait and see.

I've seen nothing yet to indicate that SQ, EK and QF won't take the A380's they're due this year.
Logic suggests that the real subject under discussion here is a planned reduction in the number due to be delivered in 2010
AF deferring 2010 deliveries would tend to support that.

Rgds


User currently offlineBigsmile From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 165 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5853 times:

As it stands as of a meeting I might of been in, at a place that might build it, there is big ramp up planned to start in September this year on the Sub Assembly part of the manufacture.

To quote "its one mother of a ramp up"


User currently offlineDynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 873 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5821 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 16):
Are any A380 assemblies made in Australia? Could this kid be the son of somebody there?

Wing tips and fences are made in Sydney at Boeing Aerostructures Australia.


User currently offlineXT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3396 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5759 times:



Quoting Astuteman (Reply 20):
I've seen nothing yet to indicate that SQ, EK and QF won't take the A380's they're due this year.
Logic suggests that the real subject under discussion here is a planned reduction in the number due to be delivered in 2010
AF deferring 2010 deliveries would tend to support that.

When are the first ILFC frames due? I would expect thier frames to be put off when it comes time to put money down to start actual construction.

That said I'd say SQ, EK, and QF are highly unlikely to delay any frames from there side unless they simply can NOT get financing at workable rates.


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5692 times:



Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 23):
When are the first ILFC frames due? I would expect thier frames to be put off when it comes time to put money down to start actual construction.

IIRC - MSN025 is a ILFC bird and that is on the FAL and due for delviery to EK in Q3 of this year


25 Stitch : If I am reading this correctly, you are implying that the A380 production rate is going to be boosted by a significant rate in the coming years (2010
26 Bigsmile : That is correct I can't say anymore than that I'm afraid.
27 N14AZ : Thank you very much for the information. So, someone should change the thread title? Someone mixed up "slowing down" with "ramping up"? Or will they
28 Stitch : Well if Airbus sticks to their last planned production ramp, that would be 21 this year and 44 next year. Even if they only do, say, 18 this year and
29 Post contains links N14AZ : Their latest official statement in that respect was 18 this year: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7830285.stm
30 Astuteman : No need to Bigsmile. A significant production rate increase in 2010 has been signalled by Airbus ever since the programme was re-set back in 2006. As
31 Post contains links N14AZ : In the frame of the press conference yesterday EADS confirmed the 18 A380s for 2009 once again: http://www.aero.de/EADS_weist_hoeher...n_Gewinn_als_er
32 Zvezda : Here it is in German, along with the following sentence: "Der Flugzeugbauer Airbus will in diesem Jahr weiterhin 18 Einheiten des Großraumflugzeugs
33 AirbusA370 : Yes, but the lowering of production is in the context of the A320/A330/A340 family, not A380! For 2010, there were 40 planned, now it's rather 25, but
34 Ikramerica : Not if you planned on 40. It means you are missing your target by over 35%. And considering that ramping up to 40 aircraft per year by the 2nd year (
35 AirbusA370 : Please don't mention the business case, this is discussed to death. Considering the problems they still have to fight with currently, from supplier hi
36 Zvezda : I agree that 25 is impressive for such a large aircraft. I hope it can be maintained, though that would require selling an average of about 25 per ye
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