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Pinnacle Starts TOL Flights Already?  
User currently offlineDescendVia From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (5 years 9 months 20 hours ago) and read 2117 times:

Looking at flightaware, it looks like Pinnacle has just started their flights to TOL, is this true or an error?

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User currently offlineTys777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 404 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 20 hours ago) and read 2111 times:

yes its true....enjoy your 8 minute flight


Is it bad that I get excited to see even a CRJ overfly? Man, what this place does to you
User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3990 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 20 hours ago) and read 2093 times:

PCL has served TOL with the CRJ in the past. This is just a resumption of service while the Airlink fleet is shuffled. THe saabs for ATL and TLH operations have to come from somewhere.

User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2025 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 2044 times:



Quoting DescendVia (Thread starter):
Looking at flightaware, it looks like Pinnacle has just started their flights to TOL, is this true or an error?

True...started March 2. I was on the first flight and it went out with like 13 passengers. Should've been profitable with my ticket  Yeah sure I'll throw up a few pictures when I get home and get them uploaded.

Quoting Azjubilee (Reply 2):
PCL has served TOL with the CRJ in the past. This is just a resumption of service while the Airlink fleet is shuffled. THe

I can't exactly remember...wasn't it back in 2001 and 2002? They served it for about 18 months then reverted back to Saabs.

With the April schedule, TOL is getting 3x CRJ and 3x Saab. I heard a rumor that TOL is going to 4x CRJ and 2x Saab in May, but I haven't seen it yet.


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7554 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 12 hours ago) and read 1934 times:



Quoting Flyinryan99 (Reply 3):
I can't exactly remember...wasn't it back in 2001 and 2002?

I know I flew Pinnacle on a DTW-TOL route sometime in 2002; it was the first time I was on a CRJ and the first time I flew that short route.



"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
User currently offlineDescendVia From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 12 hours ago) and read 1923 times:



Quoting Flyinryan99 (Reply 3):

I got a very strong feeling that the CRJs won't make it into June..........


User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2025 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1757 times:



Quoting DescendVia (Reply 5):
I got a very strong feeling that the CRJs won't make it into June..........

I actually think just quite the opposite. I think they are definitely here to stay as the Saabs are stretched thin and needed elsewhere more then here. They obviously don't want to cut flights here so the only thing is to use CRJs. It's a short stage length so if they have one sitting around that isn't making any money, why not put it to work? Also, remember, it's not about the loads, it's about the amount of revenue coming in from the flights...As I said earlier, my fare probably pushed the flight into the black as it was a full Y fare.


User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3304 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1624 times:



Quoting DescendVia (Reply 5):
I got a very strong feeling that the CRJs won't make it into June..........

Based on?

If you look at the thread about NW route profitability, you'll see that the margin on TOL-DTW is very strong. In late Feb, the route was at 4x SF3 or 120 seats a day. DL/NW is adding seats and flights. By May the market will be at 4 CRJ, 2 SF3 daily.

Fuel burn is negligible on the route. With the revenue premium the route generates, it makes sense that DL is trying to get a little more revenue from the market. If they can generate 1 more high yield customer per flight, it will likely cover the additional costs.

On 21 of 28 days in Feb, there was freight or VIP product outbound from TOL. That's not even including the inbound freight and VIP. That revenue is gravy on top of pax revenue. Quite honestly, it looks like DL is seeing what NW didn't in the TOL-DTW market. There's money to be made here.


User currently offlineNwafan20 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1592 times:

TOL-DTW was my first flight on a Saab and my shortest flight ever (10 minutes, and yes, I drove an hour and a half down from the DTW area to take a 10 minute flight back). Personally, I don't think the CRJ's are on there for extra capacity but rather because they are limited on Saabs.


Long live the Red Tail! | WMU Flight Science major
User currently offlineDescendVia From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1542 times:



Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 7):
Based on?

That the flight can't be profitable with such a short flight and such a small load factor. I can see about the SAAB shortage but I think the CRJ is to much. Now if they would do something like DTW-TOL-MSP or DTW-TOL-MEM w/ the CRJ, then that could put the airplane to better use IMHO.

Is Pinnacle still getting those Q400s? If so, I could see that plane put on DTW-TOL.


User currently offlineXjramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2471 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1526 times:



Quoting DescendVia (Reply 9):
That the flight can't be profitable with such a short flight and such a small load factor. I can see about the SAAB shortage but I think the CRJ is to much. Now if they would do something like DTW-TOL-MSP or DTW-TOL-MEM w/ the CRJ, then that could put the airplane
to better use IMHO.

A 10 min flight with minimum fuel burn half full is a lot more profitable than an hour flight half full. I mean it was FL after all who discovered that a half full 717 was more profitable than a ZW CR2 full for an hour flight.

That being said, being a former Toledoian, I would love to see nothing more than that airport grow. And as much as it would make me happy to see the additional cities of MSP/MEM or even regain CVG or ATL back, its not going to happen with the economy the way it is, period. You know its bad when, come May 1st, they are cutting the former hub and multiple widebody city, MCO down to all 757s and no widebodies.

xjr



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User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3304 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1506 times:



Quoting DescendVia (Reply 9):

That the flight can't be profitable with such a short flight and such a small load factor.

As others have said, because of the mimimal fuel burn, it's actually easier to make the flight profitable. We've been consistently averaging close to 70% LF, which explains the good yield from here.

Quoting DescendVia (Reply 9):

Is Pinnacle still getting those Q400s? If so, I could see that plane put on DTW-TOL.

Pinnacle does not fly the Q400 for DL/NW. Colgan (owned by Pinnacle) flies them for CO. A 76 seater is a bit much for this market anyway.


User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2025 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1374 times:

As promised...the first CRJ flight to TOL in more then 6 or 7 years

http://www.flytol.com/coppermine/dis...image.php?album=lastup&cat=0&pos=3

http://www.flytol.com/coppermine/dis...image.php?album=lastup&cat=0&pos=2

http://www.flytol.com/coppermine/dis...image.php?album=lastup&cat=0&pos=4

http://www.flytol.com/coppermine/dis...image.php?album=lastup&cat=0&pos=5

http://www.flytol.com/coppermine/dis...image.php?album=lastup&cat=0&pos=6

http://www.flytol.com/coppermine/dis...image.php?album=lastup&cat=0&pos=0

Sorry...I was unable to upload them to a.net...and the picture quality isn't that great either due to poor lighting.


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