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F9 Leaving MCO And Going ORL?  
User currently offlineDfanucci From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 214 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6069 times:

Another change for F9 possibly?

I've been watching the F9 site for a second DEN/MCO flight so I can throw some more money thier way. Imagine my suprise when I downloaded thier timetable to see a return of two flights to Orlando, but with a twist. The time table is showing both flights into ORL.

Can someone confim this? If this is indeed true, I think it's a fantastic move...

-D

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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4630 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6038 times:

ORL doesnt have a terminal, passenger parking, TSA, and i dont think they have a Part 139 certificate. The runway length may not be adequate either, so i highly doubt it.


Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently offlineDfanucci From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 214 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5957 times:

Ah, makes sense!

Perhaps it is indeed another flight into MCO....

-D


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21413 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5957 times:

Sounds like a typo. Nothing more. Flying into ORL would be death for the disney tourist people (who are staying in Disney hotels, the ones that cost more so the pax aren't destitute). Disney transports you from the Airport to the hotel (if it's a Disney hotel) for free, but it doesn't go to ORL...


Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offline73G From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 128 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5939 times:

ORL is the 3-letter designator for the city of Orlando and its associated airports, train stations, etc. For example, if a travel agent entered 'ORL' into a search field, it would return flights to both MCO and SFB as well as Amtrak trains to Downtown Orlando, Winter Park, Kissimmee, and Sanford. The same is true for NYC (New York), WAS (Washington DC), CHI (Chicago), and I'm certain a few others.

As one of the other posters stated, flying in and out of Orlando Executive would be an impossibility for a number of reasons.


User currently offlineFlyLKU From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 787 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5939 times:

I don't know about the rest of it but the runway is 6000 feet. I believe there are shorter runways served by the 737 and similar aircraft - don't ask me to name one though.


...are we there yet?
User currently offlinePanam330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2660 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5882 times:



Quoting FlyLKU (Reply 5):
I don't know about the rest of it but the runway is 6000 feet. I believe there are shorter runways served by the 737 and similar aircraft - don't ask me to name one though.

SNA, at 5701 feet. UA has A32S going to ORD, DL 73Gs to ATL/CVG, and NW will have an A319 to DTW in the future. It can be done.


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4630 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5836 times:



Quoting Panam330 (Reply 6):
SNA, at 5701 feet. UA has A32S going to ORD, DL 73Gs to ATL/CVG, and NW will have an A319 to DTW in the future. It can be done.

eastbound.....westbound on a hot humid august in florida might be difficult. In addition, the runway safety areas are not complained for A319 design standards, which would deduct 300-500 ft from the useable runway length.



Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6836 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5586 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 3):
Sounds like a typo. Nothing more. Flying into ORL would be death for the disney tourist people (who are staying in Disney hotels, the ones that cost more so the pax aren't destitute). Disney transports you from the Airport to the hotel (if it's a Disney hotel) for free, but it doesn't go to ORL...

It's possible they are swapping to Sanford if they wrote a big check, but it is probably a typo.


User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6836 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5429 times:

BTW, I hope they don't move to CHI, NYC, and WAS!!!
 Wink


User currently offlineElBandGeek From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 750 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5404 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 8):

It's possible they are swapping to Sanford if they wrote a big check, but it is probably a typo.

I doubt anyone is going to be leaving MCO. SFB works for G4 because they do best when they're separate from everyone else, but it's too far away from everything. Disney runs the magical express as an incentive for people to stay on the property and that typically makes up for the costs of offering it complimentary. SFB is over an hour away and has the entire city in between, so it would be impractical to have the buses going. Even if the folks at SFB were to try and intice any of the MCO airlines with a huge check, Mickey and Co. would probably be standing by with an even bigger one.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21413 posts, RR: 60
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5289 times:



Quoting ElBandGeek (Reply 10):
Disney runs the magical express as an incentive for people to stay on the property and that typically makes up for the costs of offering it complimentary.

Yep, they basically subcontracted the Mears shuttles and incorporated it into their resort fees. Makes sense, as it creates a "Disney Experience" from beginning to end, integrates with their Cruise line service, and at some larger hotels, allows for checking in of bags at the hotel rather than the airport.

While not all visitors to Orlando are going to Disney or staying in a Disney resort, many of those people who fly are doing so, be it for convention or family fun. Why disconnect your airline from that pipeline?



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3150 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5147 times:



Quoting Dfanucci (Thread starter):
Can someone confim this? If this is indeed true, I think it's a fantastic move

They are not leaving MCO. I work at MCO. Infact they are adding a second flight 3 days of the week.

FFT no longer has the overnighter. One will be coming in around 1pm, the other comes in around 4pm.

I don't think F9 wants to use air stairs, because that is all that they will get at ORL plus no terminal services just 2 FBOs. they are not Part 139, nor does TSA work out of there.

The runway can handle A319s because one always flies in for NBAA static display there and that usually departs internationally afterwards. I have seen 737s and 727s go there as well as the Detroit Pistons DC-9 the other day. I am sure other commercial planes go there for basketball charters when the other teams play the Magic, they don't always use MCO - like I said when I saw the Pistons plane go there the other day.


User currently offlineAv8orwalk From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 177 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5050 times:

I wish that was true. I live about a mile from Orlando Exective. For those of us that actually live in Orlando, MCO is so hard to get to. Especially from downtown. There is no easy way to get there without stop-n-go on Semoran or Conway. I heard years ago there was a plan to "elevate" Semoran into a highway-like structure with exits along the way to get to the major intersections. I REALLY wish that would happen.

Cheers!

Drew
MCO



The safest place to be in an airplane crash is on the ground.
User currently offlineMaxpower1954 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 1034 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4552 times:

You guys are aware that ORL was the airline airport until around 1966 or so? I don't think any pure jet service was ever operated out of there, but Electras, DC-7s and Connies did.

Back then, it was only Eastern, Delta and National.


User currently offlineAirtechy From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4278 times:



Quoting Maxpower1954 (Reply 14):
Back then, it was only Eastern, Delta and National.

......and Southern? I thought they flew into ORL at the time too. I know they were at MCO after the move from ORL.

Jim


User currently offlineElBandGeek From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 750 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4240 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 11):
Makes sense, as it creates a "Disney Experience" from beginning to end, integrates with their Cruise line service,

It also keeps people on the grounds during the entirety of they're visit. (not at all a bad thing if I do say so myself, but then again I do have connections)
"Why rent a car when they pick us up in style?" If your only source of transportation during the trip are the buses/monorails/boats/flying carpets, you're not gonna bother heading over to Universal, you're just gonna say where they cater to your every whim

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 11):
and at some larger hotels, allows for checking in of bags at the hotel rather than the airport.

Resort check-in is availble at all the disney resorts and works with almost all the major airlines *coughsouthwestcough*


User currently offlineSparky35805 From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 265 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3494 times:
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Southern might have used ORL temporarily during the summer of 66 with Martins.The flew several routes temporarily during the summer of 66 while several majors were on strike including Eastern,United and National.I know they served Orlando from HSV then.I will try to find out which airport.They later were given permanent routes from MCO after they received their DC-9s.
Sparky


User currently offlineClearedDirect From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3171 times:



Quoting Av8orwalk (Reply 13):
There is no easy way to get there without stop-n-go on Semoran or Conway. I heard years ago there was a plan to "elevate" Semoran into a highway-like structure with exits along the way to get to the major intersections. I REALLY wish that would happen.

it has started at Colonial and 436/Semoran. Except it appears they are raising Colonial over Semoran and not the other way around. Big mess right there, construction wise.

Somewhat back on subject - are they ever going to re-open that resturant (xxxth Bomber Wing) that was right near the tarmac at ORL?


User currently offlineWoody71 From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2542 times:



Quoting ClearedDirect (Reply 18):
are they ever going to re-open that resturant (xxxth Bomber Wing) that was right near the tarmac at ORL?

I hope so. I used to go to my company Christmas parties there when I worked in Longwood. I loved that place.

On the subject, I have flown out of ORL and I don't see how an airliner can be accomidated there with the small facilities they have.


User currently offlineBoeing74741R From United Kingdom, joined exactly 7 years ago today! , 1134 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2524 times:



Quoting ElBandGeek (Reply 10):
Even if the folks at SFB were to try and intice any of the MCO airlines with a huge check,

I think the incentive to move from MCO to SFB will be down to the lower landing fees that SFB offers, hence why they are the airport of choice for the UK charter carriers (lower fares), but as stated the catch is that it is further than MCO from Orlando's main attractions, especially Disney World.

Quoting ElBandGeek (Reply 16):
Resort check-in is availble at all the disney resorts and works with almost all the major airlines *coughsouthwestcough*

Do VS still offer check-in for its passengers at Disney World? I remember watching a Disney World video (the ones they used to send out in the post for free) and it mentioned how passengers flying with VS could check-in in Downtown Disney, enjoy the rest of their last day before heading to MCO in time for the VS flights in the evening.


User currently offlineClipper136 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 311 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2377 times:

ORL and MCO are owned and operated by the same organization, one as a GA airport, the other as a Commercial Airport.

ORL is NOT an FAR Part 139 Airport.

ORL (Herdon Field) was the original Commercial Airport as MCO was an Airforce Station.

In 1962 MCO was opened to Commercial Aircraft and the airlines transitioned to MCO.


User currently offlineAlphaomega From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 563 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2110 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 11):
Yep, they basically subcontracted the Mears shuttles and incorporated it into their resort fees. Makes sense, as it creates a "Disney Experience" from beginning to end, integrates with their Cruise line service, and at some larger hotels, allows for checking in of bags at the hotel rather than the airport.

While not all visitors to Orlando are going to Disney or staying in a Disney resort, many of those people who fly are doing so, be it for convention or family fun. Why disconnect your airline from that pipeline?



Quoting ElBandGeek (Reply 10):
I doubt anyone is going to be leaving MCO. SFB works for G4 because they do best when they're separate from everyone else, but it's too far away from everything. Disney runs the magical express as an incentive for people to stay on the property and that typically makes up for the costs of offering it complimentary. SFB is over an hour away and has the entire city in between, so it would be impractical to have the buses going. Even if the folks at SFB were to try and intice any of the MCO airlines with a huge check, Mickey and Co. would probably be standing by with an even bigger one.

True and not so much...with SFB I have often seen the Disney busses there and passengers can also use various off airport check-in locations including a few select hotels to check in and then take one of the Disney busses to the airport. Passengers from SFB don't need to go through Orlando to get to Disney - the 417 toll road goes directly from SFB to Disney, and is actually quite convenient for the $5 toll, especially compared to I-4 and 436.

SFB is just an oddball airport so MCo will always be the dominant one, and unless the planets align, SFB will not be much bigger than it currently is.


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