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New Zealand Aviation #51 - March Edition #1  
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12165 posts, RR: 17
Posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 14807 times:
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Welcome to New Zealand Aviation #51. In our Golden 50th Edition of New Zealand Aviation http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4327718/ we learnt and discussed:

- Talks of Pacific Blue bringing over some E190s
- An AKL meet?
- Possible Ejet routes
- RealDeals dream for IVC
- JQ going to ZQN, but DJ not allowed
- Great Barrier Airlines re-branding
- Tasman routes could become Domestic routes next year - implications on Duty Free purchases
- Pacific Blue and Virgin Blues complicated rules for International flights
- Is DJ sending their E170s to New Zealand for Pacific Blue domestic ops late this year?
- QF removes or reduces its fuel charges
- International routes fees, like secuirty charges
- NZs A320 Australian/Pacific Islands routes dropping the NZ7** flight numbers

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User currently offlineDuff From New Zealand, joined Oct 2001, 117 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 14792 times:

So does anyone know when Parton is going to announce Air NZ is getting 738's?

User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25258 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 14781 times:
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Quoting Duff (Reply 1):
So does anyone know when Parton is going to announce Air NZ is getting 738's?

I'm a bit confused. Mr. Parton is in charge of short haul and I don't see 738's on his list:

http://www.homesworldwide.co.uk/glob...ly_jets_in_regions?news_id=0052107

(i) "Among the three options being considered was the 104-seater Embraer E-190 jet which can land at almost any airport in the country. The airline wanted to significantly increase regional services that offer substantial tourism growth, Mr Parton said."

(ii) "French manufacturer ATR is touting the 68-seat ATR72-600, which is the next generation of the current 500 model, as the most fuel efficient and the more environmentally friendly."

(iii) "Canada's Bombardier has the 90-seat Q400X, a larger version of the Q300, which Air New Zealand introduced two years ago. Mr Parton said most passengers preferred to fly on a jet rather than a noisier propeller aircraft."

That last comment is a bit odd, since Q stands for quiet. Experience in the United States suggests that there is little or no passenger resistance to the Q400 and that it is so economical it is replacing jets on some routes.

But perhaps you meant another Mr. Parton or a different sub fleet?

mariner

[Edited 2009-03-05 02:30:40]


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User currently offlineFlyjetstar From Australia, joined Feb 2006, 954 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 14746 times:

I heard today on the radio that IVC cant handle A320's. Does anyone know if that is true? The context of the chat was where would a JQ A320 divert to as at the moment, until years end I heard the JQ spokeperson say, the JQ A320's don't have the required equipment to land at ZQN in all weathers.

User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4003 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 14727 times:



Quoting Mariner (Reply 2):
iii) "Canada's Bombardier has the 90-seat Q400X, a larger version of the Q300, which Air New Zealand introduced two years ago. Mr Parton said most passengers preferred to fly on a jet rather than a noisier propeller aircraft."

Do they? The 90seat Q400X is nothing more than a paper plane, so I am surprised that ANZ is considering it as an imminent replacement for the ATR72-500. Not sure why they do not consider the 78seat Q400 if they also look at the 68seat ATR72-600.


User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 883 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 14699 times:

Mariner,
You are quoting a December 2007 story. The last paragraph reads:
"Pacific Blue, which began flying on the main trunk route last month..." (Nov 2007)

The 7th October 2008 Dominion reported Air NZ's decision purchase seven of the eight leased ATR's from October 2009.

Duff,
Do you know something about 738's for NZ or are you making a suggestion?

Ten of the twelve A320's are leased. Does anyone know how long the leases are for?

PA515

[Edited 2009-03-05 05:49:10]

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12165 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 14647 times:
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Quoting Duff (Reply 1):

Is there something you know that we don't know? DL are trying to sell 30 of their unbuilt B738 slots right now


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12165 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 14642 times:
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NZ again today have HLZ-SYD for $139 with 113 seats left and HLZ-BNE for $139 with 380 seats left for travel starting in 3 days. Anyone fancy a holiday in Tonga? NZ have also got Tonga on Grab a Seat today

User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25258 posts, RR: 85
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 14638 times:
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Quoting PA515 (Reply 5):
The 7th October 2008 Dominion reported Air NZ's decision purchase seven of the eight leased ATR's from October 2009.

It was the only one I could find about Mr. Parton and his various choices.

Thanks for the info - but I'm still confused about the 738.  Smile

mariner



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User currently offlineRwy21 From New Zealand, joined Feb 2007, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 14613 times:



Quoting Flyjetstar (Reply 3):
I heard today on the radio that IVC cant handle A320's. Does anyone know if that is true? The context of the chat was where would a JQ A320 divert to as at the moment

Would land at DUD as diverts often do as well as CHC


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6430 posts, RR: 38
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 14597 times:

I'm quite baffled by the link below:

Boeing Wins 777 Orders; Avoids More 787 Losses

Says Boeing secured one order for a 777 from NZ. Anyone know what this is?

Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
- An AKL meet?

Yeah this was stalled by the many posts about that airport down south.. How many others are interested? Some Saturday before the weather turns rather nasty? I'd say AKL first due to the number of members up here but then maybe others elsewhere if this proves popular.



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User currently offlineFlyjetstar From Australia, joined Feb 2006, 954 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 14584 times:



Quoting Rwy21 (Reply 9):
Would land at DUD as diverts often do as well as CHC

Yep I know that but with all of REALDEAL's wishful thinking about IVC being used for ZQN when it can't even handle a A320, I was surprised to learn that. Surely that is the end of such talk.


User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1650 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 14528 times:



Quoting NZ107 (Reply 10):
Says Boeing secured one order for a 777 from NZ. Anyone know what this is?

This was reported the other day, and it's a 777-300ER. Originally there were firm orders for four and options for three placed. Presumably this is the conversion of one of those three options - can anyone confirm that?



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User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1650 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 14516 times:



Quoting Flyjetstar (Reply 3):
I heard today on the radio that IVC cant handle A320's. Does anyone know if that is true?



Quoting Rwy21 (Reply 9):
Would land at DUD as diverts often do as well as CHC

What's the obstacle to A320s using IVC? Not runway length, surely. According to the GCM, ZQN has a runway length of 6,200 ft, DUD 6,234 ft and IVC longer than either of them at 7,250 ft. And IVC does have an air bridge (not that that's critical). Is it a lack of security screening equipment? If so, why doesn't that prevent B737 diversions?



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User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 14311 times:

Nostalgia for 12 months ago, when the discussion point was - what would AirNZ choose for their regional routes. A lot of people thought the Q400 would get the nod, but as it happens, the decision was deferred.

Not just AirNZ. The Q400X has gone nowhere since Bombardier mentioned it. They have managed to launch their 100 seater jet the CRJ1000, but the 90 seater TP has gone quiet. We had a year when fuel went up in price to alarming levels. You cannot do fleet planning based on highs and lows in fuel prices. The plane would expect to have a 15 to 20 year period in service, and fuel prices will go up and down in that period.

The ATR72-600 has reportedly got some orders, but it seems just not enough of an improvement to justify rolling over a fleet of -500s now.

The CRJ-1000 seems to have sold slowly worldwide. I think there are no orders from North American airlines, probably because of Agreements with Pilots at major airlines. The earlier CRJs were not known for their good performance at short fields, but NG 700s and 900s are improved. This type might be useful in NZ for routes of more than 400 miles, where you could use a plane smaller than a 733.


User currently offlineAerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2714 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 14300 times:



Quoting Flyjetstar (Reply 11):
Yep I know that but with all of REALDEAL's wishful thinking about IVC being used for ZQN when it can't even handle a A320, I was surprised to learn that. Surely that is the end of such talk.

Well that conversation appears to have been stalled for some time. REALDEAL is currently suspended for breaching rules or whatnot. Given the number of times my posts responding to REALDEAL have been removed, I wonder if I'm on the brink too.

Out of curiousity, does anyone on the "inside" know exactly why QF's domestic operations are so unreliable? Everything is almost constantly 45-60 mins late. It's hard to believe that it's constantly "mechanical" issues - I thought the QF 737s were maintained by NZ here and NZ's 737s seem pretty reliable (granted, 7-8 years newer).

PacBlue is almost always on time, in my experience, so what's the deal here?


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25258 posts, RR: 85
Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 14293 times:
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Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 14):
The earlier CRJs were not known for their good performance at short fields, but NG 700s and 900s are improved.

They still have a higher CASM than the Q400. As does the E170/175 - the E190/195 not so much.

Given a choice between a prop at standard fares versus paying 10% more to fly on a small jet, I'd pick the former, at least on the provincial routes.

But - I'm not involved in aircraft acquisitions.  Smile

mariner



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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4830 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 14296 times:



Quoting Aerokiwi (Reply 15):
Out of curiousity, does anyone on the "inside" know exactly why QF's domestic operations are so unreliable? Everything is almost constantly 45-60 mins late. It's hard to believe that it's constantly "mechanical" issues - I thought the QF 737s were maintained by NZ here and NZ's 737s seem pretty reliable (granted, 7-8 years newer).

Small fleet of old aircraft. Unlike NZ when one falls over (which is more often due to the age of the aircraft compared to NZ and DJ) another can't be called on to replace it and since frequencies are lower those pax can't be moved quickly over to another flight. As soon as there is a delay with services it messes up the schedule for the whole day.



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User currently offlineAerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2714 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 14278 times:



Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 17):
As soon as there is a delay with services it messes up the schedule for the whole day.

Good point, I hadn't considered the lousy schedule and minimal fleet. Thanks.


User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 14221 times:

Argh. I am due to fly in the Qantas A380 on 26May09. Qantas have now rescheduled the SYD-SIN leg for an earlier departure ex SYD. This means that QF046 CHC-SYD is no longer a good connection. Qantas have rebooked me via AKL, which is a bit of a roundabout way of getting to SYD. I hope the Qantas domestic 734 will not choose that day to break down.

Some of the alternative routings Qantas offered - I could fly Jetstar out of CHC at 0635, and then fly QF081 via ADL. This would be OK, but it would force me to stay the night in CHC at added expense.

As I found, if you add a connecting fare to an International fare ex CHC, that adds $500 to the fare, for a Dunedin passenger. If like me you bought a separate ticket (actually a FF redemption), you take a risk, which I did, because there is no protection when something like this happens. But, still even with a change penalty I am paying less than the DUD-CHC connecting fare that was quoted to me.

Sorry for whinging on A.net, but Qantas have made me regret choosing them over Singapore Airlines. I hope the A380 will be worth it.


User currently offlineFlyjetstar From Australia, joined Feb 2006, 954 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 14180 times:

Zeal members reject offer
6 March, 2009

EPMU members at Air New Zealand's subsidiary, Zeal, have unanimously voted to reject the company's final offer.

The offer involved a series of clawbacks and a pay increase that is lower than the cost of living.

EPMU national aviation organiser Strachan Crang says Zeal workers have had enough of their poverty wages. "We've surveyed our members and none of them can make ends meet on their Zeal wages."

"A quarter of Zeal's staff are working second and third jobs and most of the others are living on debt, taking in boarders or getting WINZ allowances," says Crang, "that's a disgrace but Air New Zealand prefer to refer to it as ‘competitive advantage.'"

"What's even more concerning is that the company wants to use Zeal workers as an in-house temping agency," he says, "which would mean they'd be used to undermine the terms and conditions of the airline's other one thousand flight attendants."

Currently Zeal flight attendants' pay and allowances are up to $30,000 a year less than flight attendants who do the same jobs but are directly employed by Air NZ.


User currently offlineJQFlightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 978 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 14172 times:



Quoting Flyjetstar (Reply 20):



Quoting Flyjetstar (Reply 20):
Currently Zeal flight attendants' pay and allowances are up to $30,000 a year less than flight attendants who do the same jobs but are directly employed by Air NZ.

well this looks familiar..... Jetstar and Team Jetstar employees!!!!



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User currently offline767ER From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1092 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 14146 times:

I was chatting to a ZEAL FA on a flight last year - I was the only pax in J - and she was telling me she loves the job, the pax but was quitting as the wages werecat poverty line levels. I would gues they would be on NZ$25,000, or even less.

Anyone know how much Jetconnect and Jetstar FAs earn?



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User currently offlineJQFlightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 978 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 14148 times:



Quoting 767ER (Reply 22):
Anyone know how much Jetconnect and Jetstar FAs earn?

im a Team Jetstar FA and i have a base of $35500 + Allowences this is well below what a Jetstar FA earns.
Our Jetconnect employees in CHC are paid poorly not quite sure of a figure
but my heart goes out to our BKK & SIN Based crew the get paid in peanuts i think! and they have to share rooms on over nights its disgusting!



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User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 14103 times:

The FA1 position at ZEAL (ISM) I believe is 36k base plus approx 12k a year of nontaxables, so I suppose roughly 42k in the hand. Disgraceful :|

On a more positive note, longhaul crew are about to vote on an offer secured for us by the union that we're mightily pleased with considering the world economy.



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25 777ER : Stuff.co.nz I believe reported on this last week and reported it was one of their B773 options. Havn't seen it on NZs fleet updates yet
26 Knid : I would have to ask why would NZ want to buy some more B738's? If they were to replace the A320's why replace a established aircraft, just after putti
27 PA515 : One of these threads about a year ago mentioned a 733 diversion to somewhere like TRG. The lack of security screening meant that once off the aircraf
28 777ER : Maybe if NZ decided to purchase some cheap B737 slots, NZ could get the aircraft orders changed to B737-700s if NZ decide having the B738 on domestic
29 CHCalfonzo : Relative to other customer service based jobs in NZ, is this really so "disgusting"...?
30 BNE : Qantas have New Zealand domestic on sale. AKL-WLG $39.00 each way, 14 Mar 2009 - 06 Apr 2009 AKL-CHC $49.00 each way, 14 Mar 2009 - 06 Apr 2009 AKL-ZQ
31 777ER : JQFlightie is based in NSW, Australia according to his profile and Australian pay is different to New Zealand pay, but $35,000 is a good pay packet f
32 Post contains links 777ER : Historic wreckage removed illegally The wreckage of a plane strewn near the gravesites of two pilots killed in the crash in the Tararua Range more tha
33 DJ738 : JQFlightie's pay figures are completely irrelevant to this discussion, as he lists Australian t&cs. I've been told the new Jetstar New Zealand domest
34 ANstar : Given the average Aussie wage is something like 55k, that is pretty bad
35 SunriseValley : What is disgraceful about it... nobody is forced to work for that . The times are tough and no employer will pay more than they have to! I might cons
36 767ER : I think that is the point everyone is making - no offense intended. How anyone can survice on those god awful salaries. I work for the NSW Govt and o
37 Flyjetstar : I wont go into it now but the argument concerning ZEAL pay is a lot more complicated than that. More will be revealed in days to come. I'd reserve ma
38 NZ1 : First ones start expiring late 2011 It is a consdieration at this point. Nothing firm either way. Just firming up an option. ZK-OKM NZ1
39 777ER : Would NZ be interested in re-leasing the A320s or replacing them with A319/A321s or B738s/B73Gs?
40 Alangirvan : From reading the articles about the advanced versions of the A320 family and the 737 RS, if AirNZ waits a bit, they might get versions of those planes
41 NZ107 : How long have the registrations of the 77Ws been confirmed for? I would have guessed they were to picked a new letter to start it with xxA, rather th
42 TG992 : But employer will get what they pay for on the other end. Besides, I wonder how many FA's if any JQ would have if there was no restriction? Are they
43 KiwiRob : What's disgraceful about that, the NZ average wage is less than 30k, getting 36 plus 12k of non-taxable is pretty good considering the job isn't that
44 777ER : NZ has two choices here, re-lease its A320s which ZK-OJA will be 10 years old when its lease expires and order/lease new A319s to replace the B733s.
45 Zkpilot : Less than 30k USD but more than 30k NZD... people often forget that fact or don't notice as for most countries when comparing are usually done in USD
46 Flyjetstar : Man I love comments like that. I'm stoked that you feel you are in a position to tell me how difficult my job is or isn't and what I need to be paid
47 ZK-NBT : I was thinking that aswell, but in the end they probably won't take any more 77Es so why not carry on the sequense and keep it simple. Or maybe they
48 DavidByrne : Too late for HLZ and PMR, and I suspect too late for DUD. I'll be VERY surprised if any of these ports have TT service in five years from now, and NZ
49 Alangirvan : Remember that the services are not gone altogether - some of the services will be back for summer season. And if AirNZ does vacate some markets - the
50 Eta unknown : With regards to the possibility of NZ replacing 320's with 738's, would the cargo sacrifice be worth it as no containers on the 738?
51 Alangirvan : When the A320s were operated by Freedom, containters were not used. AirNZ has not tried to sell cargo out of DUD. If anyone does want to export from t
52 777ER : No there isn't a need to keep those markets going, but an A320/B733 was always to big for those markets as they are so close to a big city, but an E1
53 Zkpilot : Yes and you can do that with PPP (Purchasing Power Parity) which in New Zealands case means that our money doesn't go quite so far (presumably due to
54 Nz2 : NZ1, you are like Yoda. You don't say much but what you do say, matters. Or, maybe you are the Oracle figure in this forum?
55 PA515 : The 1900D's don't need replacing as such, most are only six or seven years old, but two 1900D flights could easily be replaced with a Q300 flight whe
56 TG992 : Q400X and E190's, the capacity is not much differnet and the likes of HLZ have proved they will only travel the cheap seats so will not pay more for
57 KiwiRob : I have a sister and 2 cousins who are international flight attendants, apart from the job being tiring I've never heard any of them complain about th
58 Flyjetstar : The issue with ZEAL is rather complicated and not as simple as you are suggesting. The pay rates with ZEAL relate back to when ZEAL was Freedom. The
59 KiwiRob : The simple answer to your problem is quit, or try to transfer across to NZ mainline or international.
60 Flyjetstar : I disagree. I know from your posts what you think so I wont try debating this with you. Your mind is made up already.
61 Knid : Umm, perhaps, it would really depend on the terms of the employment contract, which should make it clear what employees are to do. If a person signs
62 DJ738 : I was of the understanding that this is exactly the reason Zeal was set up. To lower labour costs, and that if the airline could in fact have the dom
63 Zkpilot : You are comparing apples to oranges and don't take many things into account. For example that is only the starting rate for a doctor... if a doctor i
64 JQFlightie : we dont just served tea and coffee, there is a whole lot of other stuff we do, like get passengers out of a aircraft in 90sec's when we crash and all
65 Aerokiwi : Like the massive subsidisation of medical training, not only by taxpayers but also other students (medical schools cost an enormous amount to run). B
66 Knid : Not sure how that got attributed to me, I didn't even write it. I'm aware of that I was just indicating that people have chosen a job with little tra
67 NZ107 : Gosh, I'd like to see it try! Getting a pic of it at Gate 6 would be fantastic (not sure if its wingspan is too big or not). It'd just mean the econo
68 Nzrich : [quote=Flyjetstar,reply=58]I'm not saying however that ZEAL crew should be paid as much as long haul however I feel we should be paid more than domest
69 BlackLabel : I don't normally enter into this sort of debate, but frankly, if it's so bad - then vote with your feet (and wallet) and get a job elsewhere that pay
70 Post contains links NZ107 : Air NZ To Fly Tailored Arrival Demonstration In LA Looks like NZ is just about to do the same thing in LAX as they do in SFO. Sounds like it'll good t
71 ZK-NBT : I have heard gate 8 and 10 can but they wouldn't use them in normal circumstances anyway with only 1 airbridge. I think its gates 15 and 16 now. Can
72 KiwiRob : What is having a degree go to do with the job as a flight attendant, my 3 relaives don't have degrees, one worked a a gym instructor, the other two w
73 Cchan : Any hint in when this aircraft is going to get delivered? Thanks.
74 Post contains links 777ER : Massey Univerisity has purchased two twin-engine Diamond Aircraft 42 and 12 single-engine Diamond Aircraft 40 for $8 million. These new aircraft will
75 SunriseValley : Great news for the local economy here in YXU. We need it ! The auto parts sector which is large in this area is in complete disarray.
76 Post contains links 777ER : Air NZ confident on capacity Air New Zealand says its now "more confident" it will not have to further reduce its long haul flights capacity after mee
77 Alangirvan : Has the MU-2 ever been used in NZ? I saw one aircraft that used to visit the GA area of Canberra Airport. When it was starting engines, it seemed to m
78 Mr AirNZ : One currently operating as an Air Ambulance based out of Hamilton. Others in the past have been operated by Air National and Air Central (or Central
79 NZ1 : They've been slated in for a long time now, probably 12 months or more. First 773ER is to be ZK-OKI, and the rest follow sequentially. Thanks.....I d
80 DavidByrne : I don't disagree with any of this, but down the line there will be a need to replace the BEHs, if only for flights like AKL-KAT, WLG-WSZ, MRO-AKL etc
81 NZ107 : Thanks for all this info, NZ1! Much appreciated! I'd believe the airport wouldn't be too busy and they should be able to block the adjacent stands..
82 Post contains links Koruman : Reproduced with thanks to RNZI...... NEW ZEALAND TO SUBSIDIZE TONGA, SAMOA AIR SERVICE Key says move is consistent with wider foreign aid programs WEL
83 PA515 : PA515
84 PA515 : Production of the Q300 was meant to end in May 2009 but maybe running about a month late. According to Air NZ's 18 February 2009 'Monthly Investor Up
85 Travelhound : A little bit left field, but how about the new C series. 110 - 130 seats sounds like an ideal aircraft for NZ opps?
86 DavidByrne : Not at all left-field - I could see the smaller C110 taking on "thinner" routes like AKL-DUD, WLG-DUD at increased frequency, and also allow an upgra
87 Alangirvan : The C110/C130 would be a good idea, but that plane seems to have gone all quiet. So, there is a question as to whether it will happen. There is a simi
88 DavidByrne : Agree, but it depends on your criteria - if time is of the essence, then there would be several hours saved by flying DUD-WLG-Australia compared with
89 777ER : The C series would be perfect for NZ if they were planning on making the Tasman/Islands/Domestic services all operated by the same aircraft series wh
90 Alangirvan : When the 767s first arrived (the 200ERs) they used to start their day in AKL and fly down to WLG to do a Trans Tasman service. And there was the famou
91 Flyjetstar : That's not quite right. There are early morning departures from HLZ and WLG too has early morning departures. DUD is afternoon. There is also a WLG c
92 Alangirvan : I know WLG has early moring departures, but I was not sure if it still had a crew base. It used to be that Freedom did morning departures from HLZ and
93 Flyjetstar : Not when crew can pax down from CHC which is what often happens.
94 DavidByrne : My point is that NZ flies DUD-WLG anyway, and also flies WLG-Australia. No added costs involved in linking the two, and potentially serious advantage
95 PA515 : The problem with a through-flight number could be the through-fare. It's a while since I did fare construction, but international through-fares from
96 DavidByrne : If you look at the status quo, then yes, that could be an issue. But let's think a bit laterally here: I look at the NZ booking engine and select (sa
97 DavidByrne : . . . Another point to add is that if we do move toward an open Transtasman border, for which there does seem to be a head of steam, the difference be
98 JQFlightie : after investigating further, AUD$35500 is a great base wage..... but see i get allowences ontop of that... ill walk out with about AUD$55 - 57000 thi
99 Pilotdude09 : But we are all going to have to admit sometime that Invercargill is going to be the next tourist mecca and going to have daily flights to Australia..
100 Post contains links 777ER : Kiwi kitset catches Aussies' eyes A New Zealand kitset aircraft is being considered as a military trainer. The high-performance Furio sports aircraft
101 Eta unknown : If the NZ Govt. is going to subsidise NZ service to Samoa, then should Poly Blue be allowed to compete on the route? Or should NZ vacate the service a
102 DavidByrne : I've also been wondering about the subsidies, but I've assumed that the subsidised services are in fact the TBU-APW-LAX services that NZ was talking
103 Alangirvan : This is probably still true but there are special offers that defy all logic. There have been sales where the fares are cheaper if you go CHC-AKL-SYD
104 777ER : Pacific Blue does operate to Samoa, but with Polynesian Blue branded aircraft, rego ZK-PBF
105 777ER : Till March 31st QF are offering New Zealand customers free QF FF membership https://www.qantas.com.au/fflyer/do/dyns/joinffp?code=JETSTARNZ
106 Post contains links PA515 : LH is confirmed as the launch customer for 30 CS100 (previously C110) to be used by Swiss to replace RJ100's. The price works out at USD51M each, abo
107 NZ107 : Haha. I was predicting them to counter the cut up promotion. Received my new Air NZ Airpoints card yesterday. Pretty cool design!
108 Aerorobnz : I just looked up NZ39 for 20MAY09.... It's now a 772 dep and NZ2 on the same day 744...... I didn't realise this was happening....anyone else who wasn
109 TG992 : The switch takes place about 29th March IIRC.
110 Zkpilot : VBH (DJ) has had to explain itself to the ASC over its recent shareprice tumble...currently trading at A$0.18 !!!! This gives it a market cap of only
111 Glasgow : Any reason for the switch?
112 767ER : Most airlines make schedule adjustments when daylight saving ends or commences.
113 DJ738 : ZK-PBF is not used exclusively on PolynesianBlue services, any of PacificBlue's fleet could end up on any route.
114 Glasgow : I can understand making changes to schedules. But is there any real benefit to changing the aircraft type? Just interested really as I will probably
115 NZ107 : I thought it was something about the demand of the LAX-LHR route or something. They tried diverting a lot going from AKL-LHR via HKG, freeing up spac
116 TG992 : Reduction in services on the route by other airlines, including withdrawl of AF.
117 777ER : Yes, but -PBF is used mostly on Samoa services, except for when theres no Samoa flights. Only other times -PBF wouldn't be operating to Samoa is if i
118 ZK-NBT : No. It appears on any particular DJ flight as DJ738 said. It does domestic aswell.
119 Vfw614 : Bombardier also said that they will go ahead with the Q400X, but it will not be available before 2013/2014. They are not yet decided whether it will
120 DJ738 : Exactly as ZK-NBT states, -PBF does all routes with absolutely no preference to Samoa / Tonga. Despite it's colour scheme, it's just one of the fleet
121 Zkpilot : Thanks for that... think I might just join up to earn points through participating partners.
122 Cchan : Then it is free to join Airpoints as well? Join up with QF first, cut up the card and send it to NZ?
123 NZ107 : If you receive it quick enough then yes.. I don't see why not
124 777ER : Yes it would be free as long as you can join NZ in time. Didn't see any rules on NZs web-site preventing you from doing that.
125 Post contains links 777ER : NZ is checking its B777 engines after a safety warning from NTSB http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2262...8/Air-NZ-checks-Boeing-777-engines
126 TG992 : To those who enquired about the 777 Premium Economy increase, it's going ahead. The 1st a/c enters the hanger for refurbishment 30 March. By 1 June (t
127 NZ2 : Sounds good! Do you know if any thought was given to 2-4-2 config which would really make it a more desirable product. I would personallly forgo the
128 TG992 : Personally I think it's nuts that they didn't, but PPE is sold out on every flight I work, so I guess there's temptation to wring as much revenue out
129 NZ1 : JetConnect Update - ZK-JTP has been painted in the new QF livery (incl Spirit of Australia titles), and will roll out of the CHC hangar tomorrow after
130 JQFlightie : are these 733's or 734's? , because i thought that QF were getting rid of the 733's, if so why would they waste money on re-painting them??
131 777ER : Thanks for the excellent news, sounds like some excellent changes are finally coming! Even with 2-4-2 seating, it would still get the same revenue as
132 TG992 : When you learn to add, get back to me
133 777ER : All -JT* QF rego B737s are B734s Oops my bad. 2-4-2 would be a loss of 4 seats. Well you could get the same revenue if the fare was slightly increase
134 Zkpilot : haha was about to say something similar myself.... 3+3+3=9 2+4+2=8 Still perhaps NZ could charge a higher premium for having 1 less seat per row.
135 NZ1 : All 737-400's. They will be around for 18 months to 2 years, before being replaced with 737-800's. NZ1
136 Flyjetstar : I thought that the -800's were coming over later this year as part of the QF/JQ change over. Mr Joyce said that from 10 June, Qantas' New Zealand sub
137 NZ107 : That looks like the answer. The 733s will be retired but it'll still take time for the entire fleet to be changed. Quite a marketing ploy IMO, there'
138 ZK-NBT : They are! But they won't receive enough aircraft overnight to replace the classics. The 733s will be gone I believe by years end, the 734s will conti
139 HLZCPH : Seems a bit like a few years back when QF were advertising sky beds on the AKL / LAX flights, but only some the fleet had them at that time.
140 Flyjetstar : Maybe I buy into corporate marketing all too easily! Not sure if it was the KIX flight or the NRT flight but the screen I saw showed it came into CHC
141 ZK-NBT : Would have been the KIX flight since NRT doesn't stop in CHC on Mondays. I'm not sure what KIX loads are usually like but it seems a marginal route a
142 TG992 : Approx 40% of the seats to KIX and NRT are purchased by JAL, who pay whether they end up selling the seats or not, so consider the load factors to be
143 ANstar : I also had a work colleague flying on a flight back from KIX last week with around 60 pax onboard. Seems strange that KIX loads are low, but Jetstar
144 PA515 : The 763 need not to be parked up during the day at AKL. Other 763 services could be retimed as well, like some AKL-PER-AKL to connect to/from LAX. PA
145 JQFlightie : well if JQ got smart about this they good make some money and promote AKL - OOL - KIX now that could be a very cheap alternative! This is why JQ is g
146 Koruman : I fully understand that Air NZ is trying to wring every last $ out of the Premium Economy market while it still can shift seats on 3-3-3 aircraft, bu
147 777ER : Any word from the JQ camp as to when JQ will announce their further plans for New Zealand?
148 TG992 : Are you serious? Without foreign exchange hedging in the 6 months ending Dec 08 NZ would have posted a loss. Why would they go out buying into a high
149 Mariner : Many economists, entrepreneurs and investors argue that now is precisely the time to make strategic investments. Over the last few months - with Virg
150 SunriseValley : Very little to do with profit or loss. It is all about cash on hand! It is possible to have a pretty healthy loss but still generate positive cash. $
151 JQFlightie : none as of yet, ill deffintely keep you updated!
152 Koruman : Let's see, how about: 1) superb staff on the ground and in the air, 2) a high-class product, 3) a good route network (although its losing its attract
153 Zkpilot : Well it is a recession after all... The key is that if you are in a relatively strong position (which NZ is) then you capitalize on the weakness of c
154 TG992 : NZ's strong position, NZ's cash in hand the possibility that some see it as a good idea to invert WISELY is NO and I repeat NO reason to take large r
155 777ER : NZ have also taken over two Australian companys in the last few months, so their cash flow must be pretty good
156 Zkpilot : Because Australia is one of the very few countries in the world that is still not in recession and even though it will likely go into a technical rec
157 Travelhound : Consolidation, natural fit, investment! I don't think it is as ridiculous as you think. For arguments sake, Air NZ by buying Virgin Blue could effect
158 767ER : Can you expand on your feelings about Qantas - I am most interested to hear. Don't bother with UA - we all know there negatives
159 ANstar : DJ and Pac Blue are making money.... it is V Aus that is the bleeder currently. DJ/NZ are a good tie up... I don;t think in terms of common ownership
160 Mariner : Since you think the concept is "ridiculous", I'm not sure if you are expecting a reply, but what the hey? I try to be constructive. Sooner or later,
161 ZK-NBT : Sorry I was actually referring to NRT the 772 from there. As for the 763s the rumour of retiming atleast some PER flights has been around some time s
162 Mariner : No one knows if V Australia is bleeding money - they've only been flying a couple of weeks. Certainly Virgin Blue has "lost" a deal of money funding
163 KiwiRob : It's a cool design but it is not easy to tell that it is a Gold card, I have a lot of problems here in Europe and spend time explaining to the lounge
164 Knid : I like the sound of that, it would be easier for the Govt to approve here, and hopefully the Aussie straw man attack would be dissipated.
165 SunriseValley : Don't forget Virgin Holdings has to find a way of financing the guarantees they made to certain fund managers in respect of V America. They may have
166 Post contains links 777ER : Small airports may shut for meal breaks Some small airports could be forced to shut down for 30 minutes a day to allow air traffic controllers meal br
167 Mr AirNZ : A ridiculous exaggeration by the writers of the article (this is the New Zealand media I so what do you expect). If this goes through and Contollers
168 Aerokiwi : I've never understood the desire on here for NZ to get rid of the 733s. They're virtually indistringuishable from NGs inside and are still pretty you
169 TG992 : Were they airlines? All I'll say at this stage is that I was talking to a member from the EXCO team a few weeks ago about this very topic. I was laug
170 Mariner : I doubt very much that they would do it - the ol' Shroud of Ansett Syndrome. Whether they should do it is a whole other box and dice. mariner
171 ANstar : The flights are pretty empty. I have a friend flying for em and they said loads have been pretty bad...
172 Mariner : I would expect that. Time was when we gave airlines at least two years to get to break-even/profit, especially a new airline on a heavily contested r
173 DJ738 : V Australia needs to be put down before it drags the rest of the company down with it. It should never have taken off.
174 Post contains links REALDEAL : DJ shares have gone from 15 cents ~ week ago to 24 cents, a 60% gain. Something is going on. A takeover announcement imminent ? http://djcs.theaustral
175 ANstar : The rest of the market has risen also.... and given they had strong results for JAN, people stopped thinking doom and gloom perhaps? And to be hinest
176 REALDEAL : yes but 60% gain in a week (could have made a lot of money if had the b..ls to do so). Then again easy to look back in retrospect. Turnover of shares
177 Aerokiwi : That's kind of irresponsible, isn't it? Surely a good travel agent will seek out the best deal for their client. And how reliable is this talk of VAu
178 TG992 : Do you acknowledge that they likely have far more information and data to support their apparent lack of desire to acquire DJ than you or I do?
179 Mariner : I'm not particularly advocating that they acquire Virgin Blue. mariner
180 REALDEAL : not when all have fares within a few dollars of each other. Besides most clients start off with saying who they want to fly with. The easy way is to
181 Knid : I doubt that anyone would try to argue that they don't have access to the company's own data, whether they are able to constantly analyse it and appl
182 Post contains links REALDEAL : Up to a 767 can land at IVC (as stated on the IVC website) http://www.invercargillairport.co.nz/ http://www.invercargillairport.co.nz/AirfieldData.as
183 777ER : It doesn't matter if its an airline or not NZ purchased as the two businesses were both aviation related and both will be suffering in one way or ano
184 KiwiRob : What are the names of the businesses they took over and what did they do?
185 Knid : However neither were on the scale of purchasing another airline. I'm guessing Masling Industries and the former Tenix Aviation.
186 Post contains links 777ER : http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/air-new...iary-buys-australian-company-37371 The new companys have maintenance services in regional, helicopter and gene
187 TG992 : Yes and the should not do it. This might end up being a good purchase for Air NZ in many years however it may also be another Ansett. I don't wont to
188 Knid : If the airline has any sort of strategic plan it must include something outside of NZ, the airline has unbelievable rights to Australia, and in reali
189 Anstar : plus DJ is likely going to need a cash injection in the next 12 months to stay a float.... their cash position is depleting quite quiickly... down fr
190 TG992 : Some great news - Air New Zealand’s stand-alone aircraft interiors business, Altitude, has secured a multi-million, five year deal to design customi
191 AerorobNZ : well isn't lufthansa the only one who has bothered with the 747-8?
192 NZ2 : That is awesome news, not only for Altitude but business in general, we need more upbeat stories like that, hope the publicise it well. Sounds like L
193 SunriseValley : Does Altitude's have an existing product line ? I assume that the product is something different than the seats which I would equate with furniture !
194 TG992 : They're creating customised drinks cabinets, stowage units and closets for the first class cabins. In addition to the internal Air NZ work, they also
195 REALDEAL : a 757 is NOT near the limits of the airfield. A 767 can land at IVC. We presume they don't have a tug at IVC, as if they did, then a 767 could turn a
196 777ER : No it doesn't. Buying a small company has the same risks as buying a small airline, while buying a big company has the same risks as buying a big air
197 REALDEAL : based on todays DJ share price, market cap is AUD$205M + AUD$1 hit USD$0.69 today.
198 777ER : Are you sure the NZ government payed for the runway extension? I thought their dodgy mayor and the council payed helped pay for it
199 REALDEAL : We heard that their mayor, some how got it out of the NZ govt.
200 PA515 : Not correct. The Southland Times, 27 January 2005 Extension proceeds. Work is progressing on the runway extension at Invercargill Airport. The $4 mil
201 Post contains links Rwy21 : Passengers using Christchurch airport will no doubt be paying more as the airport begins increasing charges to airlines, woohoo......just what I wante
202 777ER : Wouldn't it always be the Australian school holidays then?
203 Zkpilot : Except that AN had old aircraft (and a mixed large mixed fleet) that needed to be replaced - VB has new aircraft that are worth a lot. AN had ridicul
204 Travelhound : I could be wrong, but I think the charge against fuel hedging was forward looking. In other words they took a book charge now, but the actual loss wi
205 Mariner : Hmmm? They can only book the loss once. They can't book the same loss twice. mariner
206 Post contains links Zkpilot : New thread up now http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4357756/
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