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Rumor: Airbus Grounding All A380s?  
User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17080 posts, RR: 10
Posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 30061 times:

I just found this on the internet:

http://airlineroute.blogspot.com/200...irmed-airbus-grounds-all-a380.html

http://a380production.blogspot.com/2...ction-update-february-2009-15.html


Can this rumor really come through? What do you think about this?


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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9644 posts, RR: 68
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 30041 times:
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One source quotes the other - which seems to be nothing but a WAG.

When I see stuff like this it reminds me of Michael Boyd saying for 10 years that WN was going to serve Denver, when it finally happened he was like "told you so."

If you throw enough crap at the wall some will stick, I would say this isn't a rumor, but more like BS.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31124 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 29720 times:
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In a thread on the PPRuNE forum, somebody claimed that SQ and EK have also experienced nose wheel steering faults. A claimed (SQ?) A380 pilot stated he was not aware of any such issues with his fleet, though he did note they have had body wheel steering issues. A claimed QF A380 pilot said that the nose wheel issue they experienced was likely due to the tug pushing the nose wheel beyond it's steering limit.

[Edited 2009-03-05 07:44:07]

User currently offlineMax550 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 29619 times:

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...bles-ground-qantas-a380-fleet.html
This one seems to say that the fleet was grounded for about 24 hours but they are now back in service or nearly back in service.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15781 posts, RR: 27
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 29480 times:

I never heard about any nosegear issues. I must have missd something.  banghead  I would think that if the entire fleet were really to be grounded it would be a much bigger story and would make CNN and not just a bunch of blogs.


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 29443 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 6):
I never heard about any nosegear issues.

There have been a few, but they were aircraft specific. Maybe Airbus realized that they should just fix the others as they would experience the same problem? If it could be done in a matter of hours, nobody would really notice.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15781 posts, RR: 27
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 29348 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
There have been a few, but they were aircraft specific. Maybe Airbus realized that they should just fix the others as they would experience the same problem?

Which would be why I didn't hear about them. Those blogs made it sound like the things were collapsing on a regular basis.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
If it could be done in a matter of hours, nobody would really notice.

Even if they noticed most would be smart enough to realize that this is just a case of new airplane syndrome and that this is really a non-issue. Except for a few idiot bloggers who think that this is a big deal.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 28990 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 8):
Even if they noticed most would be smart enough to realize that this is just a case of new airplane syndrome and that this is really a non-issue. Except for a few idiot bloggers who think that this is a big deal.

What I meant was that, for QF for example, who parks their A380s at LAX for a while when they get there, you could fix the issue without it affecting operations. Or they might have fixed it while dealing with the fuel tank fungus. Or maybe it causes a 1 hour delay out of SYD. Whatever, it wouldn't be news if not for the internet.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15781 posts, RR: 27
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 28918 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 9):
What I meant was that, for QF for example, who parks their A380s at LAX for a while when they get there, you could fix the issue without it affecting operations.

True. This really hasn't even inconvienced anyone let alone jeopardized safety. This seems to be a case of bloggers wanting to make a splash.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31124 posts, RR: 85
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 28858 times:
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Quoting BMI727 (Reply 10):
This really hasn't even inconvenienced anyone...

Well the issues that the planes have encountered did inconvenience the passengers on the affected flights through cancellations and rebookings on other aircraft. But as noted, this is hardly something unique to the A380 fleet.


User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2761 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 28661 times:

Just found this, which maybe gives more information:
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...dress-a380-reliability-issues.html


User currently offlineSwallow From Uganda, joined Jul 2007, 555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 28603 times:

Airbus has admitted that there are problems with the fleet and are working to develop fixes. EK also confirms declining dispatch reliability citing unrelated problems. TC says Airbus has gone out of her way to offer support including placing an inventory of spares in AKL, SYD, JFK and LHR at own cost.

More here: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...dress-a380-reliability-issues.html



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12158 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 28460 times:

As all of you know, I am not a supporter of the A-380. But, in this case, I don't see this as a big problem for the WhaleJet. Most of this stuff would be overnight inspections. But, I also see the wiring problems continue with two of the QF WhaleJets experiencing fuel tank problems.

But, overall, almost all new designs experience some hick-ups during the first few years after EIS. I expect some issues with the B-787 after EIS, next year, too.


User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2761 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 28163 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 14):
But, I also see the wiring problems continue with two of the QF WhaleJets experiencing fuel tank problems.

I'm slow to catch on (in Germany we say "I am standing on the wire/hose" - unfortunatelly this phrase doesn't exist in English as it would fit perfectly) - can you enlighten me as what is the connection?


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31124 posts, RR: 85
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 27313 times:
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Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 14):
But, I also see the wiring problems continue with two of the QF WhaleJets experiencing fuel tank problems.

Everything I have read (and it's been a bit) has stated the cause of the tank issues were fungal contamination within the fuel itself which coated the fuel sensors. This coating then generated erroneous readings. So I don't see an issue with the fuel sensors or the wiring itself.

As to the "unrelated" fuel leak on the third QF bird, someone on PPRuNE said that it was due to the "plane's computer opening a fuel dump valve" but the person who made the claim is evidently not a fan of the A380 and two people who claim to be A380 pilots (one of them for QF) stated such a computer-initiated command was impossible and fuel dumping required human initiation.


User currently offlineRampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3147 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 27242 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 8):
Even if they noticed most would be smart enough to realize that this is just a case of new airplane syndrome and that this is really a non-issue. Except for a few idiot bloggers who think that this is a big deal.

Last time a major new aircraft went into production, nobody ever heard of a "blog". Welcome to the new world of micro-hypermedia, in which anything and everything can be investigated with a fogged-up microscope.

-rampart


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 27038 times:

Quoting Rampart (Reply 17):
Last time a major new aircraft went into production, nobody ever heard of a "blog". Welcome to the new world of micro-hypermedia, in which anything and everything can be investigated with a fogged-up microscope.

Then again, Airbus is unwilling to release dispatch reliability because they say 13 frames is too small of a sample, but publicly admit that the A380 has lower dispatch performance than they want it to have right now, but it's not catastrophic.

That sounds like 98% talk.

With 3000 cycles, that's 50-70 missed dispatches. Hardly the end of the world. But one assumes that if the number was more like 20-30, Airbus would be crowing about it and not afraid to release the numbers, unworried that 13 airframes was a small sample...  

[Edited 2009-03-05 10:42:45]


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31124 posts, RR: 85
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 26470 times:
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It would be interesting to know what EK's issues are, since that would tell us if it is something with the A380 frame itself (like the claimed issues SQ experienced with the main wheel steering) or an external issue like QF's fuel contamination and botched towing. Also, I would not count "customer supplied equipment" like IFE and such to be an A380-specific problem,

User currently offlineBOACVC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 615 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 25750 times:



Quoting Rampart (Reply 17):
Welcome to the new world of micro-hypermedia, in which anything and everything can be investigated with a fogged-up microscope.

I would agree with you, but suggest that we introduce an airliners.net exclusive word-of-the-day:


micro-hypemedia = blogs setup without identifiable authors; a.k.a. unsubstantiated rumor mills published online..


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User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 25349 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 18):
hen again, Airbus is unwilling to release dispatch reliability because they say 13 frames is too small of a sample, but publicly admit that the A380 has lower dispatch performance than they want it to have right now, but it's not catastrophic.

That sounds like 98% talk.

With 3000 cycles, that's 50-70 missed dispatches. Hardly the end of the world. But one assumes that if the number was more like 20-30, Airbus would be crowing about it and not afraid to release the numbers, unworried that 13 airframes was a small sample...

[Edited 2009-03-05 10:42:45]

Well add the test planes and you get another couple of thousand cycles.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 25168 times:



Quoting Alessandro (Reply 21):
Well add the test planes and you get another couple of thousand cycles.

Nope. They don't count in the in-service dispatch numbers. Even the route proving flights.



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User currently offlineFatmirJusufi From Albania, joined Jan 2009, 2441 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 24307 times:

It's a rumor and bunch of bloggers. Catastrophic combination.

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Fatmir



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User currently offlineRampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3147 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 23875 times:



Quoting BOACVC10 (Reply 20):
micro-hypemedia = blogs setup without identifiable authors; a.k.a. unsubstantiated rumor mills published online..

I like it, but slightly different than what I meant. I chose "hyper" for the excess rapidity. However, "hype" is relevant as well, since that seems to be the primary purpose of a blog. (It's OK for me to knock blogs, since I have one, too. Completely different genre, no need, nor permission, to self-promote here. I do enjoy some blogs, and value their information.)


User currently offlineKhobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 20374 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 18):
Then again, Airbus is unwilling to release dispatch reliability because they say 13 frames is too small of a sample, but publicly admit that the A380 has lower dispatch performance than they want it to have right now, but it's not catastrophic.

We heard a lot about the dispatch reliability when the planes went into service. Now suddenly there aren't enough aircraft in service to comment? Hmm...


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12158 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 20238 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 18):
Airbus is unwilling to release dispatch reliability because they say 13 frames is too small of a sample, but publicly admit that the A380 has lower dispatch performance than they want it to have right now, but it's not catastrophic.

That sounds like 98% talk.

With 3000 cycles, that's 50-70 missed dispatches. Hardly the end of the world. But one assumes that if the number was more like 20-30, Airbus would be crowing about it and not afraid to release the numbers, unworried that 13 airframes was a small sample...

That is a BIG assumption on your part. As far as we know the A-380 dispatch reliability rate could be 95%, or 90%, or even 85%.

We only know of the approximate 3000 dispatch cycles.

My GUESS is Airbus doesn't like the initially "low" rate because it could effect the current marketing campagin for the WhaleJet. You can bet that if the initial dispatch rate was at or above the numbers they advertise, they would be letting that out loudly, even if the worldwide fleet were just 6 airframes.


25 Haggis79 : and Boeing would be doing exactly the same if it was their aircraft.... it's the same marketing B/S all over the world.
26 BillReid : BUT he was right tho! Maybe they will be grounded in 10 years then?
27 Astuteman : Although that would be a big assumption, too IMO. SQ quoted a despatch reliability for their aircraft recently as 98%, and their aircraft by definiti
28 Slz396 : Think about it for a second: as soon as an A380 anywhere around the globe, be it at JFK, LHR or SYD, has its tail nav light replaced, it is announced
29 Zeke : It is actually still over 99% despite what people say, which is fantastic for such a new aircraft. The number of actual issues have been few and far
30 Archer : Maybe they were all in same time zone and happened to be on the ground waiting for next flights.
31 Brilondon : How many aircraft are we talking about, 10 at the most? This is obviously a minor issue as no real news group picked up on the story. Even CNN did no
32 BMI727 : True. I understand the lack of reliability in new aircraft and neither the little issues that keep popping up nor the manufacturer's silence concern
33 Manfredj : Let's not miss the point here...I understand that we all are passionate towards some aircraft and don't want to see any negative press about them. I c
34 Astuteman : The mud that gets thrown at the A380 guarantees that..... Rgds
35 AirNZ : Yes, but one must remember a lot of that 'despatch reliability' was quoted on here being misleadingly claimed as 'official'......when it was absolute
36 Post contains images EPA001 : I think we are used to that phenomenon, aren't we? The A380 is very impressive in every aspact, also in the aspect of dispatch reliability. Though so
37 Kire : Does "efficiency" also mean that all engineer's margins having been in "outdated" conservative designs are brought to a minimum, thus raising the prob
38 EK413 : After 2 years of delays entry into service I am finding it hard to believe these problems are surfacing.... Hope the A380 recovers from these issues..
39 TheSonntag : Actually that is not THAT surprising. The car industry tests cars for years and drives hundreds of thousands of kilometres before a car gets built, a
40 WAH64D : I agree entirely sir. KC135TopBoom's usual hit and run comments with nothing whatsoever to back them up are just one example of this. First he tries
41 Ikramerica : No, it's not a big assumption. If it were 95% or lower, we'd be hearing about it. 98% give or take sounds reasonable, which is not horrible but not g
42 Astuteman : That sounds a pretty reasonable assessment, sir, if I may say.. It has to be said that it's sometimes difficult on here to differentiate between prob
43 Flying Belgian : Seems like all Qantas A380s are well back on track ? FB.
44 EBJ1248650 : Well said! My hat's off to you!
45 XT6Wagon : Don't forget they boosted the reliablity numbers by simply removing the A380 from service for "schedualed MX" when it had serious issues with the fuel
46 Stitch : I would think an aircraft out of service cannot be dispatched as planned which would negatively affect the dispatch reliability numbers...
47 Cloudy : Actually, he was predicting that they would never serve DEN except perhaps through COS. That was a pretty safe bet for a long time because of Herb's
48 FrmrCAPCADET : Is it likely that an all new plane will ever enter service without a couple glitches which would require fairly quick attention? It strikes me that th
49 Haggis79 : why would they boost a number which is not officially published? Or are you suggesting they "boosted" their internally used numbers (which would be a
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