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DL SLC And Its West Coast Ambitions  
User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1391 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 10904 times:

It's obvious that the combination of DL and NW makes them very strong in the southeast,northeast and central regions. My question is what makes SLC an ideal hub for DL and does that exclude them from trying to establish another hub in the west? I recall a thread about DL and AS renewing their marketing agreement,does that mean they are content with that and see no need to expand out west as AS has hubs on the coast? As an added question,what are the possibilities of DL being more aggressive on trans-border routes out of SLC considering it's mostly RJ routes?

[Edited 2009-03-05 13:42:16]

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User currently offlineJkudall From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 10796 times:



Quoting 9252fly (Thread starter):
My question is what makes SLC an ideal hub for DL and does that exclude them from trying to establish another hub in the west?

1. From a geographic standpoint, SLC is a good location to have a western hub. Having it on the coast would make connecting more difficult and time consuming. You can offer many more options to customers, more conventiently, because of SLC's geographic location.

2. The hub works and has worked for them (DL) for over twenty years and many more years before that with Western. There are a lot of loyal DL flyers in SLC.

3. The cost of operating out of SLC is relatively innexpensive compared to other airports, and local and state officials have offered many incentives to the airline.

4. The airport is able to maintain smooth operations and on-time flights almost every day which prevents irregular operations for the airline and saves them a lot of money. SLC was the number one on-time airport in 2008 and had the fewest cancellations of US airports.

4. The airport has a good source of O/D traffic to compliment connecting traffic. UT is the fastest growing state in the country (as of last year) and is one of the few locations in the country right now which is still seeing a relatively strong economy when compared to the rest of the country. Year-round tourism helps keep demand strong. DL sees all of these things as a reason for potential growth.

As for the aggressiveness of trans-border operations, I think it is pretty clear DL has already been very agressive the last few years on expanding international operations from SLC.

MEX, GDL, SJD, PVR, CUN, YEG, YWC, and CDG were all added routes within the last 4-5 years and NRT starts this June.


User currently offlineHaggis79 From Germany, joined Jun 2006, 1096 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 10771 times:



Quoting Jkudall (Reply 1):
From a geographic standpoint, SLC is a good location to have a western hub. Having it on the coast would make connecting more difficult and time consuming.

isn't that only true for flights to/from further east than SLC? I can see that SLC makes a great hub for, say, a OMA-LAX connection.... but when travelling from the west coast to the west coast (maybe PDX-BUR) it's a little out of the way, isn't it?



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User currently offlineJkudall From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 10712 times:



Quoting Haggis79 (Reply 2):
isn't that only true for flights to/from further east than SLC? I can see that SLC makes a great hub for, say, a OMA-LAX connection.... but when travelling from the west coast to the west coast (maybe PDX-BUR) it's a little out of the way, isn't it?

While there is a lot of west-coast to west-coast connecting traffic through SLC on routes like you mention, most of the connecting traffic is east to west or inter-west routes like DEN, BIL, BOI, COS, ABQ, etc. to the west coast.

Most passengers flying only on the west coast can be served under the AS code-share which is basically what it was intended for. But again, there are still many passengers who connect via SLC who are flying from places like SEA or PDX to places in SoCal.


User currently offlineYVR1968 From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 10457 times:



Quoting Jkudall (Reply 1):
As for the aggressiveness of trans-border operations, I think it is pretty clear DL has already been very agressive the last few years on expanding international operations from SLC.

MEX, GDL, SJD, PVR, CUN, YEG, YWC, and CDG were all added routes within the last 4-5 years and NRT starts this June.

Well to put this into perspective, YEG is down from 2 daily to 1 daily CRJ and (I think you meant) YXC is a seasonal 3x per week CRJ as well. Yes, the CDG, Mexican and NRT flights are substantial routes, but the Canadian ones you mentioned are really a blip and actually an overall decrease with YEG dropping to only 1 daily, and it appears that the YXC flights will not continue next year, as no flights showing in res systems.


User currently offlineJkudall From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 10420 times:



Quoting YVR1968 (Reply 4):
Well to put this into perspective, YEG is down from 2 daily to 1 daily CRJ and (I think you meant) YXC is a seasonal 3x per week CRJ as well. Yes, the CDG, Mexican and NRT flights are substantial routes, but the Canadian ones you mentioned are really a blip and actually an overall decrease with YEG dropping to only 1 daily, and it appears that the YXC flights will not continue next year, as no flights showing in res systems.

Yes I meant YXC, not YWC. Next winter's schedule is no where near complete so it is much too early to speculate on YXC's future. As for YEG, the only reason it was dropped to 1 is because of the merger. It makes more sense to connect YEG passengers going to the east coast through MSP than SLC. Still, Int'l traffic through SLC has increased each year of the last 5, and with the NRT flight, you will see another huge increase this year.


User currently offlineYVR1968 From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 10328 times:

Quoting Jkudall (Reply 5):

I agree with you, definitely those long haul routes will benefit SLC.

Also, forgot to mention Delta Connection also dropped YWG and YYJ. And YYC is down to only 3 daily CRJ (used to be 4 daily in 2006 and 5 daily in 2005) and YVR used to see mainline SLC - now 3 daily DL*.

So the "aggressiveness" on the transborder side north of the border has actually seen more of a pullback than expansion.

[Edited 2009-03-05 16:16:45]

User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4006 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 10260 times:
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How does DL do on their SLC-Mexico routes?

User currently offlinePlanefxr From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 10102 times:



Quoting LACA773 (Reply 7):
How does DL do on their SLC-Mexico routes?

CUN does very well, goes out close to full most days. MEX does pretty well considering Aeromexico also serves SLC and GDL which I think is only on Saturdays does well also.

There is also a very good chance SLC will see AMS, this could be delayed a little longer due the economy, but eventually it should happen.


User currently offlineLive2fly83 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 151 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 9775 times:

are we forgetting LAX? i know they cut back a tad but theyve still got significant ops there


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User currently offlineModesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2791 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9336 times:



Quoting Live2fly83 (Reply 9):
are we forgetting LAX? i know they cut back a tad but theyve still got significant ops there

DL pulled back from LAX after dropping ExpressJet's flying and mostly does hub flying with a few other destinations from LAX including MSY, MCO, FLL, TPA, LIH, KOA, HNL, OGG and a few more. But their LAX operation is certainly no hub, despite additional international expansion with GRU and SYD.


User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4050 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9172 times:



Quoting YVR1968 (Reply 6):
I agree with you, definitely those long haul routes will benefit SLC.

Also, forgot to mention Delta Connection also dropped YWG and YYJ. And YYC is down to only 3 daily CRJ (used to be 4 daily in 2006 and 5 daily in 2005) and YVR used to see mainline SLC - now 3 daily DL*.

So the "aggressiveness" on the transborder side north of the border has actually seen more of a pullback than expansion.

I'm not totally sure if a pull back is correct, or if a re-alignment is better put. The biggest drawback for DL operations in SLC is terminal and concourse space. The airport as it is currently configured is designed to handle only 10 million or so passengers a year, and for roughly 4 years strait it has been double that number.
As for trans-border routes north, YVR and YYC continue with multiple frequencies with rumors of at least one of such being returned to mainline. YWG didn't work since the NW brand is better known than the DL brand. With the two merged, I could see the combined carrier trying YWG once again in the not to distant future along with possibly YQR and YXE. With YXC being a seasonal that will end this month, it isn't entirely out of the realm of possibility that YYJ could return at some future date. Also service to YQL (Lethbridge) has been rumored since SLC has a larger FIS desk and can take more Canadian airports lacking pre-clearance to U.S. destinations.
I also think you'll see SLC-AMS service perhaps as early as June 2010 and LGW or LHR service sooner rather than later. Also LH has had preliminary discussions with SLC about possible future service to FRA.



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User currently offlineYVR1968 From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8975 times:



Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 11):

All I was trying to point out was that to call the transborder "expansion" as aggressive is clearly not the case. Call it what you want, but the facts are this: Delta flights from SLC to Western Canada have been reduced from about 13-14 daily to 7 daily and from 6 destinations to only 3 destinations. To call this an "aggressive expansion" is not the case. Perhaps to Mexico and overseas international, sure, there is an expansion. What Delta does in the future can be discussed and speculated, but as of now, Delta has clearly pulled back on Canadian flights out of SLC, period.


User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4050 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8471 times:



Quoting YVR1968 (Reply 12):
What Delta does in the future can be discussed and speculated, but as of now, Delta has clearly pulled back on Canadian flights out of SLC, period.

There are also rumors that if an AS merger is consummated down the line that they could dump trans-border operations to Canada completely through the SLC hub. Much of what is done now could then be rerouted through SEA or MSP.



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User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10387 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8233 times:



Quoting Jkudall (Reply 1):
The hub works and has worked for them (DL) for over twenty years and many more years before that with Western.

Actually, Western didn't make SLC a hub until about '82, then DL took over in '87.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22876 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8100 times:



Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 13):
There are also rumors that if an AS merger is consummated down the line that they could dump trans-border operations to Canada completely through the SLC hub.

When you have an existing station (in Canada or otherwise), the marginal cost of a flight or two to SLC is pretty low. If there's demand, they won't dump Canadian destinations just because they're served from another hub. Obviously, if there's only demand for service to one hub, that's a different story.



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User currently offlineZonks From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7927 times:



Quoting Jkudall (Reply 3):
But again, there are still many passengers who connect via SLC who are flying from places like SEA or PDX to places in SoCal.

Really? I live in PDX and not I or anyone I know would fly a couple hours out of their way to SLC just to connect to airports in Southern California. Why would we when we have healthy competition along the West Coast between UA, AS/QX, WN and to a lesser extent VX and B6? You're correct in saying that AS serves a function for DL in terms of flying passengers between Washington, Oregon and California but frankly, to suggest that someone directly on the West Coast would fly to SLC to connect is flat out false.

A large part of West Coast flying is strictly point to point, especially with all of the major cities (SEA, PDX, SFO, SMF, OAK, SJC, LAX, BUR, SNA, SAN) and the smaller cities are served through places like SEA, SFO, PDX, LAX and so forth. In order for DL to capture any of the West Coast traffic on its own metal, it would need to fly point to point between the major cities. SLC will not cut it as a connection option for West Coast flying.


User currently offlineFlyb From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 685 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7893 times:



Quoting Jkudall (Reply 5):


Quoting YVR1968 (Reply 4):
Well to put this into perspective, yeg is down from 2 daily to 1 daily CRJ and (I think you meant) YXC is a seasonal 3x per week CRJ as well. Yes, the CDG, Mexican and NRT flights are substantial routes, but the Canadian ones you mentioned are really a blip and actually an overall decrease with yeg dropping to only 1 daily, and it appears that the YXC flights will not continue next year, as no flights showing in res systems.

Yes I meant YXC, not YWC. Next winter's schedule is no where near complete so it is much too early to speculate on YXC's future. As for yeg, the only reason it was dropped to 1 is because of the merger. It makes more sense to connect yeg passengers going to the east coast through MSP than SLC. Still, Int'l traffic through SLC has increased each year of the last 5, and with the NRT flight, you will see another huge increase this year.

Plus people hate those CRJ-100 on that YEG route. I always from the UAL or AC to get anywhere in the West to avoid the Delta Skywest route.


User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6005 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7858 times:



Quoting Flyb (Reply 17):
Plus people hate those CRJ-100 on that YEG route.

How would they know? There are no -100's on that route.



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User currently offlineCompensateMe From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7607 times:



Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 11):
I'm not totally sure if a pull back is correct, or if a re-alignment is better put. The biggest drawback for DL operations in SLC is terminal and concourse space. The airport as it is currently configured is designed to handle only 10 million or so passengers a year, and for roughly 4 years strait it has been double that number.

There's A LOT of airports handling significantly larger numbers of passengers than they were designed for. I've flown through SLC many times and have never thought it was crowded. Pure economics has lead to the decisions to drop the flights that DL has from SLC; DL tried to strengthen SLC & serve many "unique" destinations over the last several years, but very few survived. It'd be interesting to list all the destinations DL's added (and later dropped) from SLC over the past few years...

That said, SLC is a $1B/year revenue hub... but it just seems as if traffic flows are largely seasonal, connecting via inter-mountain destinations. The DL-NW merge will solidify DL's presence in many of these markets and strengthen SLC overall, but I doubt it will come at the expense of MSP.

And I have my doubts as to the success of SLC-NRT... it's mostly the inter-mountain destinations that are timed to connect with this flight (for example, AUS would require a multi-layover on the outbound and nearly 9-hour layover on the inbound) and I seriously doubt there's enough premium traffic to/from Asia (and those markets). Perhaps DL's counting on traffic from places like BOS, ORD, etc. to fill this flight, thus alleviating the need for much larger aircraft from ATL/DTW/MSP. It'll be interesting to watch...



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User currently offlineSlcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7057 times:



Quoting Zonks (Reply 16):
You're correct in saying that AS serves a function for DL in terms of flying passengers between Washington, Oregon and California but frankly, to suggest that someone directly on the West Coast would fly to SLC to connect is flat out false.

SLC does see quite a bit of western connections. A suprprising amount. If you see the luggage you will see quite a few pdx-san, pdx-lax, sea-sna and lost of smaller cities etc from former heavey delta frequent flyers in the former LAX and PDX hub markets.

Alot of people only purchase the lowest plane ticket they dont care where or how much time they loose so if deltas cheapest they will go for it. SLC is possible and many people do it in a day, but certainly not ideal for west coast connections. DEN on the other hand is too far east to be realistic or ideal for west coast connections. I personally flew DL from SAN-SEA once via SLC because it was the cheapest ticket and i needed to save money in college. It wasnt that horrible and i only cared about saving money and collecting delta miles

SEA is geographically a horribly HUB locaiton compared to SLC


User currently offlineJkudall From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6733 times:

Quoting Zonks (Reply 16):
Really? I live in PDX and not I or anyone I know would fly a couple hours out of their way to SLC just to connect to airports in Southern California. Why would we when we have healthy competition along the West Coast between UA, AS/QX, WN and to a lesser extent VX and B6? You're correct in saying that AS serves a function for DL in terms of flying passengers between Washington, Oregon and California but frankly, to suggest that someone directly on the West Coast would fly to SLC to connect is flat out false.

It isn't false. I worked flights in SLC and always saw pax connecting in SLC from places like PDX and SEA going to places like LAX, SAN, SNA, etc. It wasn't uncommon at all. In fact there have been a number of thru flights such as SAN-SLC-SEA all operating under one flight number. Try booking a flight on delta.com from PDX to LAX, you will find a number of connection options in SLC.

Just because you wouldn't do it doesn't mean others don't because there are a lot of people that fly these routings. There is even an amount of connecting traffic in DEN (400 miles east) with people flying routings like that.

[Edited 2009-03-06 14:04:14]

[Edited 2009-03-06 14:06:10]

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25077 posts, RR: 46
Reply 22, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6713 times:

I find it nuts people would detour via SLC for intra-West Coast trips. Suppose there are left over Skymiles folks but honestly do not see the appeal of adding a couple of hours to a West Coast trip when there is so much existent service at very competitive pricing.


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User currently offlineJkudall From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6673 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 22):
I find it nuts people would detour via SLC for intra-West Coast trips. Suppose there are left over Skymiles folks but honestly do not see the appeal of adding a couple of hours to a West Coast trip when there is so much existent service at very competitive pricing.

You aren't adding a couple extra hours to your trip by stopping in SLC. Go to expedia, do a search for flights between PDX and SNA. Now of course there are a few non-stop options on this route, but people don't always choose non-stop flights.

I selected a random date of May 11th. The shortest you can get between PDX and SNA via SFO on UA is 4 hrs. PDX-SLC-SNA on DL is 4 hrs 27 mins. A whopping 27 minutes longer. The fare is the same, and you don't have to deal with SFO's ATC delays.

Another example, on the same day, PDX-SFO-SAN on UA is 3 hrs 50 mins, or 4 hrs 24 mins on DL via SLC.

There are a lot of connecting west coast passengers connecting in SLC. I don't understand why people think this is so inconceivable.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25077 posts, RR: 46
Reply 24, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6596 times:

Personaly I'd take the nonstops, or use an alternate airport. Since you focused on PDX, I'd shot for the dozen+ PDX-LAX flights and reach SNA area quicker then a SFO or SLC if the nonstops were not available.

Additionaly Delta derives quite a lower yield by selling connections via SLC since it has to carry the passenger quite a bit longer distance incrasing its cost. Using your city pairs PDX-SNA is 850miles nonstop but detour via SLC is 1220miles, some 43% longer.



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25 Viscount724 : Flying 1/3 further for the same fare isn't very economic, or environmentally-friendly.
26 Jkudall : Okay, take the non-stop. I don't blame you. I am not trying to persuade people to not take non-stop flights. I don't care how people choose to get fro
27 CompensateMe : But the response are relevant . Most people will take the nonstop flight; the ones willing to connect are concerned with price, loyalty and/or schedu
28 Mayor : SLC's other success has been bringing people in during ski season from the east and west coasts. Much more convenient than going to DEN to ski.
29 Wedgetail737 : If I'm in the mood to try and get a few more miles, I'll make a quick and easy connection in PDX from SEA to some point in California.
30 BigGSFO : Agreed. If I am not under time restraints and want some extra miles, I will book a connection if it's reasonably timed and priced.
31 Wedgetail737 : It has been my experience that usually, but not all the time, the nonstops are the same price as the PDX connection flights...with the exception of t
32 BigGSFO : Living in SFO I am in PHX often and may times will connect via LAX for the extra segments, time permitting. I am moving to PDX and will probably do t
33 AirlineBrat : I just booked a ticket on DL for early May. ACV-SLC-MSP-MCI then MCI-SLC-ACV on the return for $274. When I was researching the trip, I was surprised
34 Goldenshield : Yes. DL's is pink. Not sure what NW's is. Also, it's not for baggage, but over-sized carry-ons. My roll-aboard can fit in the overhead of the -700 an
35 Wedgetail737 : Welcome to the Pacific Northwest! PDX is no SFO and you know that. But service out of PDX is sufficient enough to get you where you need to go. And i
36 EXAAUADL : actually youd be shocked hoe much traffic flying within the Pacific Time Zone actually connects in SLC. With DL cutting smaller cities in CA plus cut
37 Flyb : Delta 4553 CRJ 100 operated by Skywest Airlines In-Flight Services
38 Doug_Or : All of OO's CRJs are now 200s. At the end of the day it is all semantics though, a -100 is for all intents and purposes the same as a -200.
39 Goldenshield : And have been for at least 5 years. Except one can go farther, with 5,550 more pounds. Not to mention that the engines on those SkyWest birds have a
40 SLCUT2777 : Keep in mind that Colorado still gets roughly 3 times the numbers of skiers that Utah gets. SLC might be close to Park City and the Cottonwood Canyon
41 EXAAUADL : in all fairness PHX is essentially in the Pacific Time Zone 8 months of the year. I know it is MST.
42 GentFromAlaska : The local NBC news affiliate in Nashville reported tonight DL will begin non-stop service from BNA to SLC, BOS and Charleston (presumed to be SC) begi
43 SLCUT2777 : Keep in mind this is why Arizona opted to not have daylight savings, and folks in the Grand Canyon State won't be moving their clocks ahead tonight.
44 Post contains links Mayor : Well, this should eliminate that advantage.............. http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=5801474
45 OA412 : " target=_blank>http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=5801474 It's about freakin time. This should definitely help tourism into and out of SLC.
46 Mayor : Now they just need to publicize it. Looks like the church couldn't get their fingers into the decision, this time.
47 YVR1968 : SLC showed a decline in traffic in January 09 of over 10.3% compared to Jan 08. This includes a small decline in international traffic. So it looks li
48 Mayor : Well, MOST of SLC's service IS domestic........just a handful of flights to Canada and Mexico, plus DL's service to CDG.
49 YVR1968 : Yes, I realise that as the stats are pretty clear from the SLC website. My point was, somebody was going on about Delta's "aggressive international e
50 Aeroflot777 : Aggressive international expansion and decline in traffic don't really have anything to do with each other in this case. All airports around the nati
51 YVR1968 : Sigh, yes, yes yes, but if you had read my earlier posts... So the decline in international traffic furthers the evidence that the "aggressive expans
52 Planefxr : I would say that the upcoming route to NRT is pretty significant if not aggressive. I don't think many expected DL to fly this route, but CDG has don
53 Mayor : Well, my point was that with so few international flights, even the reduction of one or two is going to skew the international stats out of proportio
54 Thestooges : I find the argument about whether connecting traffic from places like SEA and PDX to LAX, SNA and SAN make up a significant amount of DL connections i
55 Goldenshield : It's still 3.2 beer.
56 SLCUT2777 : The ultra-traditionalist religious right wanna-be radicals. Most LDS Church people (like the Governor) want change thankfully. Now that DL has pulled
57 9252fly : No doubt your wife will be one of the first passengers?
58 YVR1968 : I, on the other hand, would be extremely surprised if AC did return to SLC. As for SLC-Europe, there are plenty of other options already other than J
59 JAChase : Having worked in both airports, no they don't. Very few Canadians use either airport.
60 WesternA318 : Hence why the temporary influx of 757's US and UA brought in this winter....although the United birds were scheduled, US I think may have brought the
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