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Lounges On UA's Early DC-10s  
User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 12033 times:

I have a couple of photos of my parents on a UA DC-10 traveling F/C DTW-SFO-DTW ca. 1973 or 1974 Does anyone know how the A/C was configured and where the lounge was?

Dad is sure it was UA, and I have matched the fabric to those on the UA 747 lounge seats of the same era in the DB, but I haven't seen any pics of the F/C lounge on the DC-10.

Any info out there?

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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25638 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11991 times:

UA DC-10-10s had a lounge at the left front of the economy cabin when they first went into service. Following from UA's introductory DC-10 brochure (click on it to enlarge).

http://www.airchive.com/html/memorab...introduction-brochure/1547/preview

There were also 4 facing seats separated by a table in first class at the front of the center section. I don't think those lounge areas lasted very long. They were certainly gone when UA converted from 8-abreast to 9-abreast Y class seating after the first few years of service.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11932 times:

On longer flights, they had a supervisor, and HIS job was to look after all the silly lovely lady stewardesses to make sure they were being subservient enough...

That's the way the copy reads, at least. Man, the early 70s were a different time.

But on the plus side, you were encouraged to push your call button to ask for things. These days, on some airlines, you push the call button for anything and they bite your head off!



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25638 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11880 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 2):
These days, on some airlines, you push the call button for anything and they bite your head off!

The skies are much less "friendly" now.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19938 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11873 times:

So if there were 100+ Y pax aboard the plane, how did they manage the <10 seats in the lounge?

User currently offlineNomadic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 11813 times:

During the early and mid 1970s, most of the larger domestic carriers had coach lounges on their wide body aircraft. American started it all on their 747s, soon followed by TWA & United. When the DC-10s and L-1011s were introduced they also included lounges but were removed shortly thereafter.

(For a brief period TWA also fought the 'Lounge War' with a small loung in the middle of the coach section of their 707s.)


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25638 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 11752 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4):
So if there were 100+ Y pax aboard the plane, how did they manage the <10 seats in the lounge?

First come, first served, like first class lounges in 747 upper decks in the early years of service, and in many early 707s and DC-8s and earlier propeller types.

Example of the lounge at the rear of a Western Airlines L188 Electra.



Many passengers had no interest in the lounges. I recall quite a few non-rev flights in first class on early 747s and the upper deck lounge was often empty.


User currently offlineNWOrientDC10 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1404 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 11682 times:
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Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):
Does anyone know how the A/C was configured and where the lounge was?



Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):
but I haven't seen any pics of the F/C lounge on the DC-10.

Any info out there?

Here's a youtube clip of a UA 1071 ad introducing the DC-10 "Friendship".:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ta3Z0XlknPc


Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 1):
UA DC-10-10s had a lounge at the left front of the economy cabin when they first went into service.

This corresponds with the above ad  Smile

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 1):
I don't think those lounge areas lasted very long.

My first flight in a UA DC-10 (ORD - SEA) was in July 1978 as a 12 yr. old UM and I think the lounges were gone by then.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 3):
The skies are much less "friendly" now.

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Good Day  Smile

Russell



Things aren't always as they seem
User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 11530 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 6):
Many passengers had no interest in the lounges. I recall quite a few non-rev flights in first class on early 747s and the upper deck lounge was often empty.

Yep, when i was a kid we would go upstairs in the AA 747, and I really don't recall anyone else up there. It would usually be me, my brother and my dad and mom hanging out. We weren't loud "Jeffries" so we weren't driving others away.



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User currently offlinePnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2248 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 11372 times:

AC's early L1011 had 4 seats in the front and centre section of First Class. There was a coffee table type affair that raised so that 4 people could have a restaurant style meal there. With it lowered they served drinks like a bar. I was a student flying on student standbye and got put into First Class at the very last moment - door almost hit me in the ass as it closed. There were 6 people in First. One was sleeping and one was working so the FA moved the 4 remaining us into those seats. As a college kid I thought that was pretty cool. The FA spent more time chatting with us that flight than anything else. I was underage and enjoyed the champagne and wine with the meal  Smile.

User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 11323 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 1):
There were also 4 facing seats separated by a table in first class at the front of the center section

Thanks Viscount, this looks like what they had.


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 11277 times:

OK, I'm gonna take a chance and post one of the pictures in question.

Please behave, this was the early '70's. Yes, my mom was smoking on a plane!



Viscount, you are right. You can just make out the table at the bottom of the picture, and it is clearly in the center section of F/C.


User currently offlineSaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1610 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 11200 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 3):
The skies are much less "friendly" now.

Not if you are me. United treats me like a king. Just flew IAD-ZRH-IAD in United First on the 767.

United rocks. They have yet to let me down.



smrtrthnu
User currently offlineAirlineBrat From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 10632 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 2):
On longer flights, they had a supervisor, and HIS job was to look after all the silly lovely lady stewardesses to make sure they were being subservient enough...

In the 80's on UA they were called Inflight Service Supervisors. They mostly worked on long distance and transcon widebody flights. The position was like a travel agent. My father did that for a while. He helped flight attendants during busy times like during meal service. He also sold plane tickets for future trips and helped passengers arrange rental cars and hotel rooms at their final destination. When I was a kid, I flew with him a few times while he was working as an ISS. I had to be on my best behavior when I flew on a pass.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 9586 times:



Quoting AirlineBrat (Reply 13):
In the 80's on UA they were called Inflight Service Supervisors. They mostly worked on long distance and transcon widebody flights. The position was like a travel agent.

Yeah, I know that's what they actually did. But if you read that 1970s copy in the linked ad, it comes across a lot more sexist and stupid sounding.  Smile



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User currently offlineFlyLKU From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 816 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8396 times:



Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 12):
United rocks. They have yet to let me down.

Just got off UA 924 (IAD-LHR). No complaints. They did a nice job.

Lounges, don't they encourage people to stand up - like the guy in the brochure? What about clear air turbulence? I wonder if lawyers had as much to do with their demise as economics?



...are we there yet?
User currently offlineAirlineBrat From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 7509 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 14):
Yeah, I know that's what they actually did. But if you read that 1970s copy in the linked ad, it comes across a lot more sexist and stupid sounding.

I agree the ads were pretty sexist back then. As we know, stewardesses were relieved of their wings as soon as they got married, became pregnant or gained too much weight. It was almost like airline executives were pimping out the stewardesses. No wonder they called overnight stays during trips, layovers....



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25638 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6714 times:



Quoting AirlineBrat (Reply 16):
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 14):
Yeah, I know that's what they actually did. But if you read that 1970s copy in the linked ad, it comes across a lot more sexist and stupid sounding.

I agree the ads were pretty sexist back then.

Good example of a UA ad from the mid-1960s that would now be considered very sexist, promoting discounted fares for accompanying "wives". It's 1965 or later. They introduced their famous "Fly the Friendly Skies" advertising tagline in 1965 and used it for 32 years until 1997.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DDIE0lr7Rs


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6628 times:



Quoting AirlineBrat (Reply 16):
It was almost like airline executives were pimping out the stewardesses.

They absolutely were. But it was a different world. It was a chance for young women to see the world before they got married. They were supposed to quit after a few years.

Some of them never did quit, and they now work the TATL and transpac flights.  Smile



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User currently offlineTDubJFK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6497 times:



Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 11):
Yes, my mom was smoking on a plane!

ATTAGIRL! She definitely looks happy. Wish flying was fun like that now.

Cool pic!


User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6434 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 14):
Yeah, I know that's what they actually did. But if you read that 1970s copy in the linked ad, it comes across a lot more sexist and stupid sounding. Smile

Well...if you look at allot of the marketing from the 1960s and 70s from UA (and others for that matter) it came off as sexist. On the 2nd floor of the Initial Training Center there is a gallery with old print ads....one of them is a UAL "stew" pouring coffee...the caption says "She will make a great wife someday".

My jaw dropped.


User currently offlineAirlineBrat From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6365 times:

Then there was always National Airlines ad campaign in the early 70's......

"I'm Betty, Fly Me!!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA10Q5YefQQ



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9236 posts, RR: 21
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6341 times:

Do today's wide-body aircraft have these lounges? Pardon the question; the biggest plane I was ever on was a US 757 on MCO-PIT.

If not, then boy, has aviation been shot to hell and back. Well, it's kinda been anyway regardless. It's certainly not as glamorous anymore as they seemed to make it out to be in the 1970s and earlier...

That's a shame...



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31110 posts, RR: 85
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6329 times:
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And yet today, many hold up the "cute and subservient" stewardesses on Asian carriers as an ideal that the US and EU carriers should emulate in order to win business.  Wink

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25638 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6310 times:



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 22):
Do today's wide-body aircraft have these lounges?

Very few do. I think some A380s have one or more small lounge areas. Virgin Atlantic 747-400s and A340s also have a small bar/lounge for business class passengers.

A340-600:


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Qatar Airways had a small lounge on some of their aircraft but I recall another recent thread mentioning that the lounges were being removed.


25 Steeler83 : That's what I thought... Well, it's beginning to look as though lounges on widebody aircraft are becomming a thing of the past. What IS the future of
26 Evanbu : Why were the lounges phased out to begin with? Did they not produce much revenue? Was it more cost effective to have seats instead of a lounge?
27 TDubJFK : Come on .. you're in the airline industry. You tell me. Which brings in more money .. a big, airy lounge with swivel chairs, tables, sofas and a pian
28 Evanbu : Free drinks? I was not aware. Well knowing that, that would have been a no brainer. So the reason the lounge was put on the aircraft was because back
29 Post contains links and images Viscount724 : Most early 707s had a first class lounge on the left side just inside the forward door, opposite the 2 first class lavatories and galley. I think vir
30 ADent : I am too young to remember any DC-10 lounges, but I do remember the tables in first class and the swivel chairs next to them.
31 CF-CPI : I was surprised to see some pics showing a lounge in the front of the National Airlines DC-10, circa 1974. Does anyone know if they had one in coach o
32 EXAAUADL : UA had "Men Only" flights from LGA-ORD on Caravelles
33 Dtwclipper : I thought the service was EWR-ORD?
34 Post contains links N702ML : Oh it wasn't just in the 70's.... here is a Continental ad from 1983 announcing that the Pub is back... http://www.departedflights.com/COpub.html
35 Viscount724 : UA's men only "Executive" flights between New York and Chicago operated from 1953 to 1970. I think the DC-6 was used before the Caravelle. Following
36 TymnBalewne : I've recently flown EK's A380 between JFK and DXB. On the upper deck, aft there's a lovely lounge. It's semicircular and about 7 people can stand. The
37 AirlineBrat : I remember the DC-10 coach lounges on UA. I was about 7 years old at the time. The one memory I have is looking out the window from the swivel chair I
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