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Singapore Airlines Quitting Barcelona?  
User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 10575 times:

Rumored that BCN will be dropped probably by summer, any confirmation.

[Edited 2009-03-07 11:52:27]

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User currently offlineMIgAiR54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1656 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10452 times:

I don´t think so.

Last news I have is an interview with a SIA manager in a newspaper and He said that BCN is doing very good, and they might open a Direct route. Actually has a stop in Milan.

But with airlines you never know.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10886 posts, RR: 37
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 10368 times:

"Today the SiA flights carry out the Singapore-Malpensa-Barcelona route but in short time the flight will be reduced to Singapore-Malpensa route, while the continuation to Barcelona will be assured by Lufthansa Italia. "

http://www.avionews.com/index.php?co...1100716&pagina_chiamante=index.php



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineSKY1 From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 879 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 10378 times:

I think it can have sense as it is possible SQ wants have advantage a possible synergys with LH Italia, so a code-share agreement SQ-LH on the rute BCN-MXP-BCN could have a very good performance


Time flies! Enjoy life!
User currently offlineWAC From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 10279 times:

Looks like MXP will become a *alliance hub.

User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1560 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10054 times:

Speaking of other Spain-Asia routes, how do TG and CA do at MAD?


The sky is the limit as long as you can stay there
User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2147 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9667 times:

I would think that SQ must be taking a hit with the current economic crisis. They are a smart airline and probably realize they have to rationalize somewhere.

User currently offlineNicholaschee From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9640 times:

SQ does not have 5th freedom rights for MXP-BCN so passengers on that sector are either heading to SIN or to BCN.

User currently offlineAustralis From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 9208 times:

Well, i guess it wouldnt suprise me that SQ made the passengers fly Lufthansa Italia on the MXP-BCN to provide better efficiency and not fly the B773ER 2-3 hours to BCN and back half empty when an A320 can do the job with ease and not a waste on the route.

I guess this is the problem with SQ and opening a destination towards Spain. They dont yet have a right-sized aircraft for the market nor have the given a direct flight a good chance of succeeding like Thai or Qatar.


User currently offlineBullpitt From Spain, joined Mar 2004, 871 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8893 times:

Hi all

In my opinion SQ would do much better if they flew SIN-MAD. Then they could tap into the Spain-South east Asian-Australia market.



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User currently offlineSKY1 From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 879 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8559 times:



Quoting WAC (Reply 4):
Looks like MXP will become a *alliance hub

Maybe you in Korea don't know, but it was to be supposed that BCN should be the "the big one" Star Alliance hub for Southern Europe  Silly

Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 5):
Speaking of other Spain-Asia routes, how do TG and CA do at MAD?

Pretty good, and don't forget QR and KE which both are flying MAD.

Against all expectations, KE will remain serving MAD

Madrid-Barajas is the biggest and the most important airport in the Iberian Peninsula. BCN is only a wannabe despite the strong institutional campaign who is doing some people and local politicians in the BCN area to link their airport "with the world" (literal just like they say in their language)

Quoting AF022 (Reply 6):
They are a smart airline and probably realize they have to rationalize somewhere.

Right, and the first one route to be "rationalized" is the MXP-BCN leg.

Quoting Australis (Reply 8):
Well, i guess it wouldnt suprise me that SQ made the passengers fly Lufthansa Italia on the MXP-BCN to provide better efficiency and not fly the B773ER 2-3 hours to BCN and back half empty when an A320 can do the job with ease and not a waste on the route



 checkmark  ...and keep in mind all kind expense that SQ makes when flying MXP-BCN-MXP (more fuel, parking fee, handling expense, a worst crew rotation, etc)

Like yourself say it's a "waste"

Quoting Australis (Reply 8):
I guess this is the problem with SQ and opening a destination towards Spain.

The problem might be the same that JAL has: for routes non-stop between Singapore/Japan with Spain, the most ideal size it's a B-767 or 787-8 cos a larger airliner is too much. And if you don't have the 5th freedom between MAD/BCN with other European point it is not going to work. Even if you have that 5th it doesn't give any guarantee. I'm talking for routes from Singapore or Japan to Spain, specially.

Quoting Carnoc (Reply 9):
At least CA will resume its full Beijing-Madrid-Sao Paulo service

It's a good news for Madrid-Barajas, certainty. I hope CA can have good luck with that long route, linking 3 continents.



Time flies! Enjoy life!
User currently offlineHuaiwei From Singapore, joined Oct 2008, 1113 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8215 times:



Quoting Bullpitt (Reply 9):
In my opinion SQ would do much better if they flew SIN-MAD. Then they could tap into the Spain-South east Asian-Australia market.

SQ used to fly to MAD until 2004.



It's huaiwei...not huawei. I have nothing to do with the PRC! :)
User currently offlineJanmnastami From Italy, joined Apr 2008, 827 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7733 times:

It's quite sure that SQ will fly SIN-MXP and the passengers going to BCN will fly MXP-BCN with LH Italia, it has been reported on some press agencies in Italy.

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 10):
Maybe you in Korea don't know, but it was to be supposed that BCN should be the "the big one" Star Alliance hub for Southern Europe Silly

"It was..."  Smile .


User currently offlineOlympic472 From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 456 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7557 times:

Except for being in Spain, both BCN and MAD are different markets. Furthermore, flying to European destinations that are primarily O&D in this economy will be difficult, with some exceptions.


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User currently offlineBullpitt From Spain, joined Mar 2004, 871 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7414 times:

Hi

Quoting Huaiwei (Reply 11):
SQ used to fly to MAD until 2004

Yes but that was through Zurich I think it might be time for SQ to fly direct to Madrid.



These are my principles but if you don't like them I have others
User currently offlineIDISA From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7243 times:

It surely have sense to go SIN-MXP directly while letting LH Italia doin' the MXP-BCN leg, so I won't be surprised that this may be more than a rumor...

Quoting Australis (Reply 8):
I guess this is the problem with SQ and opening a destination towards Spain. They dont yet have a right-sized aircraft for the market nor have the given a direct flight a good chance of succeeding like Thai or Qatar.

Yes, you made the point, I agree 100%

Quoting WAC (Reply 4):
Looks like MXP will become a *alliance hub.

Humm why not? But still MXP miss a US carrier for Star Alliance. South America will soon be covered by TAM who is about to join Star, KE covers Asia and LH doing intra-Europen. UA would be next step unless LH will start goin' long-haul from MXP, which is also rumored.


User currently offlineSKY1 From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 879 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7244 times:

SIN-MAD non-stop is difficult to believe. At least with a larger airliner than a 767 or 787-8 like I said above. A 777-300ER is too much for a SIN-MAD-SIN non-stop. And I think SQ will put their code in the LH-Italia's flight to/from Madrid-Barajas.


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30567 posts, RR: 84
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7188 times:
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Well that is a disappointment. My work takes me to MXP a good bit and I love BCN so I can usually add it by using MXP as my stop-over point.

Going to miss having the 77W First Suite all the way.  Sad


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7010 times:



Quoting IDISA (Reply 15):
Humm why not? But still MXP miss a US carrier for Star Alliance. South America will soon be covered by TAM who is about to join Star, KE covers Asia and LH doing intra-Europen. UA would be next step unless LH will start goin' long-haul from MXP, which is also rumored.

You do realize KE is not a Star Alliance carrier, but rather a SkyTeam carrier, right?



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30567 posts, RR: 84
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6968 times:
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Quoting IDISA (Reply 15):
Humm why not? But still MXP miss a US carrier for Star Alliance. South America will soon be covered by TAM who is about to join Star, KE covers Asia and LH doing intra-Europen. UA would be next step unless LH will start goin' long-haul from MXP, which is also rumored.

UA used to serve MXP in the past - from IAD or LAX, I believe.

And, as noted, KE is with SkyTeam. Asiana (OZ) is Star Alliance's Korea-based airline.


User currently offlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2734 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6618 times:

Aww bad news then, I love seeing the mighty 777-300ER at BCN when I travel (on the other hand my GF is not that interested)

Oh well... sign of the times I suppose.

MIAspotter.



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User currently offlineIDISA From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6545 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 19):

UA used to serve MXP in the past - from IAD or LAX, I believe.

And, as noted, KE is with SkyTeam. Asiana (OZ) is Star Alliance's Korea-based airline

Yes UA served MXP from IAD.

And ooops sorry, my mistake, KE is Skyteam, sorry guys...


User currently offlineHuaiwei From Singapore, joined Oct 2008, 1113 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6290 times:



Quoting Bullpitt (Reply 14):
Yes but that was through Zurich I think it might be time for SQ to fly direct to Madrid.

It was through Zurich before, but was switched to SIN-CDG-MAD, three times a week on the B744 just before it was chopped in 2004.

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 16):
SIN-MAD non-stop is difficult to believe. At least with a larger airliner than a 767 or 787-8 like I said above. A 777-300ER is too much for a SIN-MAD-SIN non-stop.

SQ certainly did fly SIN-MAD direct for over a decade, although I cannot quite remember the dates. And I do believe they used B744s for this route!

When the passenger flights were axed, there was obviously still a case for cargo, for SQC continued to fly SIN-MAD for years after that.



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User currently offlineWAC From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6168 times:



Quoting SKY1 (Reply 10):
Against all expectations, KE will remain serving MAD

ah but it has recently been re-routed via AMS, so KE might do a SQ and ask KL to the AMS-MAD leg....they might just keep cargo going to MAD

Quoting IDISA (Reply 15):
But still MXP miss a US carrier for Star Alliance.

What about US Air??? They have flights to MXP and CO when they join Star....


User currently offlineAustralis From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6004 times:



Quoting Huaiwei (Reply 11):
SQ used to fly to MAD until 2004

Yes they did until the end of October 2004. I flew that route in particular in June 2004, on the following routing SYD-SIN-CDG-MAD. At CDG, half the passengers on the Boeing 747-400s got off and the rest going to Madrid stayed on the plane. I enjoyed the flight. Not all the planes, but found there was good amount of Spaniards and Australians flying onto Madrid....

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 10):
The problem might be the same that JAL has: for routes non-stop between Singapore/Japan with Spain, the most ideal size it's a B-767 or 787-8 cos a larger airliner is too much. And if you don't have the 5th freedom between MAD/BCN with other European point it is not going to work. Even if you have that 5th it doesn't give any guarantee. I'm talking for routes from Singapore or Japan to Spain, specially

Yes, the Boeing 787-8 should hopefully be the right-sized aircraft for the market. There is demand from Spain to South East Asia/Australia and vice versa. I would say start off initial with a 3-4x weekly flights and see how it goes. Though, in the current climate, we might have to way 2-3 years before it actually gets launched.


25 Stylo777 : if it's true that they will skip the BCN tag-on ('cause it is still loaded in Amadeus) that it won't be convenient flight and stop-over for all those
26 SKY1 : Please, note "direct" doesn't automatically means a non-stop flight. Right, it was with 747-400. It was 3 times per week, with stop in CDG or ZRH dep
27 BlueFlyer : Not necessarily. MXP could be a very good "regional" hub between Western Europe and Asia. Flights from N. America could use BRU (in the future) as th
28 Aukahkay : Singapore Airlines used to fly to Madrid years ago but was scrapped. I think that SQ is trying to make MXP its European hub since MXP will be the Sta
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