Dfwagt From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 75 posts, RR: 1 Posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 15357 times:
Of course the one day I don't bring my camera. Ship 389 is at D36 right now at DFW. Was to go to LHR as AA78, however equipment was changed. Not linked to any other flts at this time
BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 14324 posts, RR: 26 Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 15355 times:
So all of the paperwork for the FAA/JAA certification has gone through already?
Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
Boeing767mech From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 992 posts, RR: 3 Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 14544 times:
Quoting Dfwagt (Thread starter): Of course the one day I don't bring my camera. Ship 389 is at D36 right now at DFW. Was to go to LHR as AA78, however equipment was changed. Not linked to any other flts at this time
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1): So all of the paperwork for the FAA/JAA certification has gone through already?
Unless they slapped the winglets back on in the last couple of days, 389 looks like any other 767-300 in our fleet. She has been flying WITHOUT winglets for a couple of months now. Since the STC has not been approved for the winglets. The STC was amended for 389 to allow her to be flown with the beefed up wing spar for the winglets so the airplane can still be flown, if it was not amended she would have been sitting for month until the STC has approved because the last 10 feet of the wing spar has been modified to fit and take the extra stress of the winglets.
FlyLKU From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 721 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 13239 times:
Quoting SKY1 (Reply 3): I wonder if really worth post-added winglets on the 767 wings
That depends on the cost of fuel. The ROI calculations are very simple and if you believe as I do it will rise again (don't know when) then the investment has a nice return.
Dazbo5 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 2572 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 12908 times:
Quoting SKY1 (Reply 3): I wonder if really worth post-added winglets on the 767 wings
With an estimated 6.5% reduction in fuel burn, I'd say it was definately a worthy investment. A well known charter airline in the UK is marketing themselves as installing them as part of environmental concerns and doing their bit to reduce carbon emissions, not to mention overall savings on the cost of fuel.
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WorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 12280 times:
On flights of a transatlantic length, the payoff will always be there because of the reduced fuel burn. Higher cost fuel will make the return on investment come much faster but the investment is worth it. Further, airlines are not paying spot fuel prices for all of their consumption because of bad fuel hedges. Fuel will go back up and not all will be hedged. An investment in reducing fuel burn will always pay off - it's just a matter of how quickly.
Dfwagt From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 75 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11663 times:
Heads up...this plane is headed to BOS today as AA1882
Quoting SKY1 (Reply 3): I wonder if really worth post-added winglets on the 767 wings
Uh, yeah...I met this plane when it came down from MCI yesterday.
AndrewUber From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2528 posts, RR: 44 Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 11495 times:
I live in Dallas and saw this bird climbing out of DFW last weekend. Hoping to catch it up close soon!
Airplanenut From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 649 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 10192 times:
Quoting Dfwagt (Reply 7): Heads up...this plane is headed to BOS today as AA1882
Flight Aware is saying AA1882 is being flown with a 752. Even with daylight savings, it'll still land after dark, though...
Dfwagt From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 75 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 9645 times:
Yeah, the aircraft was changed back to a 757 as ship 389 is out of service. A/C sitting at HGR 3 right now....not linked to another flt yet....waiting on a part from ORD
Dfwagt From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 75 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7727 times:
Quoting Tpa36r (Reply 12): It does have the winglets installed. They were approved. I believe it flew first renvue yesterday to Honnolulu.
The 1st revenue flight was to be AA78/07MAR, however the a/c was swapped for another. A/C now set up to go to LHR tonight as AA78. Heads up LHR spotters, ship 389 heading your way tonight, then to RDU
N389 7673 FUTURE ROUTING 08/2128Z
FLT --FROM-- --TO-- MTC -OFF/ON-- TIME TST CYCL
9650/07 MCI 1515 DFW 1635 389XX 1515 1635 1.20 58070.55 9227
78/08 DFW 2048 LHR 1024 389XX 58080.00 9228
173/10 LHR 1129 RDU 1608 58089.20 9229
174/10 RDU 2146 LHR 0857 OW 58096.55 9230
79/11 LHR 1234 DFW 1740 XX 58107.45 9231
UN-LINKED AT THIS POINT - RY TO CORRECT
END OF DISPLAY
LAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5085 posts, RR: 48 Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7522 times:
Quoting FlyLKU (Reply 4): That depends on the cost of fuel. The ROI calculations are very simple and if you believe as I do it will rise again (don't know when) then the investment has a nice return.
How much do these winglets cost?
Going by savings of $1 million in fuel cost(500,000 gallons X $2), the NPV of these winglets at 10% cost of capital is about $8 million(assuming about 15 year life).
Quote:
Aviation Partners Boeing estimates that the blended winglets designed for the 767-300ER will save up to 6.5 percent on fuel consumption, by reducing the drag created by wingtip vortices. This would produce savings of more than 500,000 gallons of jet fuel per aircraft per year for operators with the longest average sector lengths and highest aircraft utilization rates.
LAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5085 posts, RR: 48 Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7017 times:
Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 14): How much do these winglets cost?
Googling, I found that winglets on 737s cost about $800,000 and on 757s can range from $1 to 2 million.
Assuming winglets will cost about $2.5 million on a 767, the payback period is roughly 3 years.
Boeing767mech From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 992 posts, RR: 3 Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6811 times:
Quoting Tpa36r (Reply 12): It does have the winglets installed. They were approved. I believe it flew first renvue yesterday to Honnolulu.
Wow I stand corrected, 389 flew into BOS about 2 weeks ago and it did not have winglets. But since it was already moded all you have to do is bolt them on and go, so it would only take a couple of hours.
DFW13L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6451 times:
I saw it tonight at D36! It was AA78 as is mentioned above. It was dark and I didn't have a camera, though I attempted a shot with my cell phone, which didn't really come out. I could actually see it when taxiing in on Eagle. Then I had the good fortune of driving beneath it as it taxied across the Yankee bridge to get to the east side for departure for London.
Lexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2362 posts, RR: 9 Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5836 times:
Quoting DFW13L (Reply 18): I saw it tonight at D36! It was AA78 as is mentioned above. It was dark and I didn't have a camera, though I attempted a shot with my cell phone, which didn't really come out. I could actually see it when taxiing in on Eagle. Then I had the good fortune of driving beneath it as it taxied across the Yankee bridge to get to the east side for departure for London.
727forever From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 783 posts, RR: 5 Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5503 times:
I am really glad to see that the 767 winglets have been approved. I think that this mod will give the 763 a new lease on life. I know that this statement is flame bait, but I do wonder if we could see a limited number of 763ER orders placed at significant discount to fill in for the seemingly never ending 788 delays. At the right purchase price this does make a new 763ER a good addition for an airline that has a large fleet of aging 763ERs, eh hmm DL, on a limited basis, like maybe 5-10 airframes. I know, will never happen, but interesting thought.
BHMDiversion From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 443 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (4 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5496 times:
25 DocLightning: It isn't just that. Winglets also mean less power on take-off and climbout. So reduced noise and fuel consumption there, too.
26 LAXDESI: " target=_blank>http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Americ....html Based on info below, AA should expect to save about $60 million(29 million gallons X $2)
27 Leezyjet: Here it is at LHR today....not brilliant pics, shot with my mobile phone through a dirty window but better than nothing !!. Those winglets are HUGE !
28 Hamlet69: Glad to finally see this modification in revenue service!! That's not flame-bait, that's fact. Indeed, we have already seen this. ANA, JAL, Azerbaijan
29 NZ107: Far out! I wasn't expecting anything of that size.. Thanks for the pics btw!
30 Lucianflyboy: AWESOME PICS! I always liked the 767 but now she's sexy! Those things ARE huge! Can't to see them up close and personal! Ciao!
31 WorldTraveler: Any idea of the delivery schedule by APB for 2009 and beyond and what other airlines are in line for the next dozen or so shipsets? With the 767 wingl
32 SCL767: Awesome pics!!! Thanks for sharing! LAN is currently retrofitting CC-CWG with wing-lets and the B763 should be flying soon.
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