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User currently offlineJLDWC From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 35 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 11793 times:

Seeing as though JetBlue yet again seems to remain "stable" in this industry, and is opening up LAX soon. What are some other routes we may see from this airline? How well does the E90 and 320 operate for them? and may there be a different type aircraft introduced to their fleet in the future? Thanks for your input

- JLDWC

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User currently offlineJFernandez From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 11751 times:

It's clear that B6 is going to keep growing at MCO, and probable continued expansion to Central and South American and the Carribean. They already have flights from MCO to BOG, CUN, NAS, PSE, SDQ, SJO, and SJU. I'd expect them to try to add MCO-HAV the very second that the US eases travel restrictions.

Sadly, it looks like something like MCO-GRU is just too far out of range for the A320's. MCO-LIM is doable, but unclear if they'd want to add that to their market. MCO-MEX makes a lot of sense, as well.

Also I'm a bit curious if they'll add in some Canadian destinations. I'm not sure if JFK-YVR makes sense, but you might see it. I wouldn't be shocked if they threw in some JFK or BOS to YYZ type flights using the E90's near-term.

Given their partnerships with EI and LH, I don't see European travel coming up any time soon.

So, where in the US would they want to expand to? Is ATL a potential destination? Somehow MSP strikes me as a possible expansion airport, and I wonder if they'll try to get some foothold at DFW, given that they already have two other Texas destinations.

Adding another aircraft type seems to be something they would avoid, unless they decided to take on the long range market. (A380, anyone?!?!?!) They're likely to stay with the E90 for the short flights, A320 for the up to 3000 nm flights, and that will do them well. Like I said, they'd need another aircraft type if they decided to start serving GRU, EZE or the like in South America, or if they decided to start pushing towards Europe (I simply don't see Asia on the horizon, though maybe long-term they'd look at LGB-HNL, perhaps?

I still really like the idea of them adding JFK/MCO-GRU and/or EZE with an A380, though  Smile


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5950 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 11742 times:
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Quoting JFernandez (Reply 1):
though maybe long-term they'd look at LGB-HNL, perhaps?

Highly doubtful considering the A320's are not ETOPS certified airplanes. Unless they start taking 737-700's or -800's with ETOPS...or A330-200's, you won't see B6 flying mainland-Hawaii flights.


User currently offlineAirNovaBAe146 From Canada, joined Jun 2008, 368 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11666 times:



Quoting JFernandez (Reply 1):

Adding another aircraft type seems to be something they would avoid, unless they decided to take on the long range market. (A380, anyone?!?!?!)

A330s anyone? B6 guys have been talking about that for a long time, although it might be much ado about nothing.

What about A350s?

How much would the A320 commonality thing help them in moving up into an A330 or A350?


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25693 posts, RR: 85
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11641 times:
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Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 2):
Highly doubtful considering the A320's are not ETOPS certified airplanes.

Hmmmm?

http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...releases_items/06_05_09_etops.html

"Airbus A320 Family approved for 180 minute ETOPS by the FAA"

Airbus A320, A321 and A319, including the corporate jet version, are approved for 180 minute extended range twin-engine operations (ETOPS). The approval was granted by the Federal Aviation Administration after European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) had granted the same approval in March 2004."


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User currently offlineJetBlueAUS From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1145 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11616 times:



Quoting JFernandez (Reply 1):
Is ATL a potential destination?

If JetBlue got its foot back into ATL, I think it would be a totally different story. They are definitely successful out of Chicago O'Hare and I think they would play ATL smart this time. Instead of having flights just to LGB and OAK, I'm sure they'd broaden their horizon. However, in these hard economic times I seriously doubt JetBlue will reappear in Atlanta in the near future.

Quoting JFernandez (Reply 1):
I wonder if they'll try to get some foothold at DFW, given that they already have two other Texas destinations.

JetBlue has shown interest in flying into DAL, not DFW. However, the Wright Restrictions are still holding them back.

Quoting JFernandez (Reply 1):
(I simply don't see Asia on the horizon, though maybe long-term they'd look at LGB-HNL, perhaps?

No.  Smile

Quoting AirNovaBAe146 (Reply 3):
A330s anyone? B6 guys have been talking about that for a long time, although it might be much ado about nothing.

I don't think that JetBlue is interested in TransPac or flying over the atlantic. So, really, I view this as you said... Much ado about nothing...



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User currently offlineJFernandez From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11524 times:



Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 2):
Highly doubtful considering the A320's are not ETOPS certified airplanes. Unless they start taking 737-700's or -800's with ETOPS...or A330-200's, you won't see B6 flying mainland-Hawaii flights.



Quoting Mariner (Reply 4):
Hmmmm?

http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...releases_items/06_05_09_etops.html

"Airbus A320 Family approved for 180 minute ETOPS by the FAA"

Airbus A320, A321 and A319, including the corporate jet version, are approved for 180 minute extended range twin-engine operations (ETOPS). The approval was granted by the Federal Aviation Administration after European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) had granted the same approval in March 2004."

I thought 320's had some ETOPS certification, and if they had 180 minutes, LGB-HNL is within range, and is actually slightly shorter than LGB-BOS:

LGB-HNL%0D%0A&RANGE=&PATH-COLOR=red&PATH-UNITS=mi&PATH-MINIMUM=&SPEED-GROUND=&SPEED-UNITS=kts&RANGE-STYLE=best&RANGE-COLOR=navy&MAP-STYLE=&ETOPS=180" target=_blank>http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=L...GE-COLOR=navy&MAP-STYLE=&ETOPS=180

So I don't see the problem with LGB-HNL.


User currently offlineB6FA4ever From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 819 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11510 times:



Quoting JFernandez (Reply 6):
So I don't see the problem with LGB-HNL.

the FAA may have given approval for the A320 family for 180 ETOPS...BUT...if you're a jetblue follower at all, you'll know that we have issues making nonstop flights from the east coast to the west coast during winter times. flying on the mainland...no problem, just stop for fuel. can't do that in the middle of the ocean.

but you are right...distance wise, the A320 can fly it. just doesn't help w/ strong winds (plus the aircraft weight in general: PAX, cargo, bags, etc)


User currently offlineJFernandez From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11502 times:



Quoting AirNovaBAe146 (Reply 3):
A330s anyone? B6 guys have been talking about that for a long time, although it might be much ado about nothing.

What about A350s?

How much would the A320 commonality thing help them in moving up into an A330 or A350?

Obviously, if they were going to add a larger aircraft, I'd suspect it would be of the A330/A350/A380 ilk, just for Airbus commonality, though I wonder what the true overlap is versus bringing in, say, a Dreamliner?

Quoting JetBlueAUS (Reply 5):
If JetBlue got its foot back into ATL, I think it would be a totally different story. They are definitely successful out of Chicago O'Hare and I think they would play ATL smart this time. Instead of having flights just to LGB and OAK, I'm sure they'd broaden their horizon. However, in these hard economic times I seriously doubt JetBlue will reappear in Atlanta in the near future.

 checkmark  Absolutely.

Quoting JetBlueAUS (Reply 5):
JetBlue has shown interest in flying into DAL, not DFW. However, the Wright Restrictions are still holding them back.

 checkmark  Wonder if they'd go to DFW because of those Wright Restrictions.

Quoting JetBlueAUS (Reply 5):
I don't think that JetBlue is interested in TransPac or flying over the atlantic. So, really, I view this as you said... Much ado about nothing...


Obviously you're not going to see something like LGB-NRT anytime in the forseeable future, but as the airline grows, it might not be absurd.

Certainly B6 has grown fantastically this decade. At first, it seemed like a US only carrier, but it now serves 47 airports in the US and 11 different countries. Who knows where else it can grow to?  Smile


User currently offlineJFernandez From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11482 times:



Quoting B6FA4ever (Reply 7):
the FAA may have given approval for the A320 family for 180 ETOPS...BUT...if you're a jetblue follower at all, you'll know that we have issues making nonstop flights from the east coast to the west coast during winter times. flying on the mainland...no problem, just stop for fuel. can't do that in the middle of the ocean.

I actually wasn't aware that there were issues making the West Coast flights. I've only done JFK-SEA-JFK on B6 back in 2002 (more familiar with the JFK-FLL flight, or JFK-BDA), so I'm admittedly not a FF on B6.

Quoting B6FA4ever (Reply 7):
but you are right...distance wise, the A320 can fly it. just doesn't help w/ strong winds (plus the aircraft weight in general: PAX, cargo, bags, etc)

Correct. I'm looking for places B6 can expand to without adding an additional equipment type, which I assume B6 would look to avoid if possible.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21865 posts, RR: 55
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11187 times:



Quoting B6FA4ever (Reply 7):
BUT...if you're a jetblue follower at all, you'll know that we have issues making nonstop flights from the east coast to the west coast during winter times. flying on the mainland...no problem, just stop for fuel. can't do that in the middle of the ocean.

IIRC, winds on West Coast-Hawaii flights aren't nearly as strong as winds on the transcons.

-Mir



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User currently offlineTDubJFK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11009 times:



Quoting JetBlueAUS (Reply 5):
JetBlue has shown interest in flying into DAL, not DFW. However, the Wright Restrictions are still holding them back.

What is the latest on the Wright Amendment? I thought that silliness was on the way out, no?


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5950 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10860 times:
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Quoting Mariner (Reply 4):
Hmmmm?

http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...releases_items/06_05_09_etops.html

"Airbus A320 Family approved for 180 minute ETOPS by the FAA"

Airbus A320, A321 and A319, including the corporate jet version, are approved for 180 minute extended range twin-engine operations (ETOPS). The approval was granted by the Federal Aviation Administration after European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) had granted the same approval in March 2004."

mariner

I wasn't aware of it. That's good for Airbus. So, why hasn't any Airbus operators jumped on the opportunity to fly to Islands?

Quoting Mir (Reply 10):
IIRC, winds on West Coast-Hawaii flights aren't nearly as strong as winds on the transcons.

Are you 100% sure about that? Have you traveled to HI during the winter months?


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25693 posts, RR: 85
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 10790 times:
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Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 12):
I wasn't aware of it. That's good for Airbus. So, why hasn't any Airbus operators jumped on the opportunity to fly to Islands?

I guess most airlines would probably prefer to fly a larger capacity aircraft.

And although the A320 has the theoretical range to fly the route, it might depend on the payload, especially in an LCC configuration (lots of pax).

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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 10775 times:



Quoting Mariner (Reply 4):

Just because the A320 can be ETOPS doesn't mean the ones that jetBlue are...or can ever be. Aircraft that have been given ETOPS must meet certain conditions and have certain options installed to make them ETOPS. You can have 2 A320s side by side... one is ETOPS... one is not based off the options installed and how the aircraft is maintained and operated.



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25693 posts, RR: 85
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 10515 times:
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Quoting EMBQA (Reply 14):
Just because the A320 can be ETOPS doesn't mean the ones that jetBlue are...or can ever be.

Yes, I understand that. The point is that the A320/A319/A321 "can" be certified for ETOPS.

The A318 wasn't in the original announcement, but - from memory - I believe that it was eventually included. I could be wrong.

But there is little call for it. I can't think of many routes in the world for which the A320 family would be used that would require ETOPS.

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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21865 posts, RR: 55
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 10424 times:



Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 12):
Are you 100% sure about that? Have you traveled to HI during the winter months?

No to both questions. I have looked at wind charts, though, and have rarely seen massively strong winds between California and Hawaii. The jetstream is generally north of there.

If that's not the case, then I obviously don't remember correctly.

-Mir



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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5950 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 10137 times:
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Quoting Mir (Reply 16):
No to both questions. I have looked at wind charts, though, and have rarely seen massively strong winds between California and Hawaii. The jetstream is generally north of there.

If that's not the case, then I obviously don't remember correctly.

I'm not saying you're wrong. But when we get those pineapple express systems, I'm sure flying from the mainland to the Islands could be quite a challenge.


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9356 times:



Quoting Mariner (Reply 15):
The point is that the A320/A319/A321 "can" be certified for ETOPS.

Yes... but not all can be.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Reply 19, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9244 times:

They will likely continue to look at growing FLL-International, which I think will be a big focus in late 2009. They want to give Spirit a run for their money, and FLL is a far stronger market than MCO. MCO-BOG loads are anything but pretty.


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User currently offlineIcebird757 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 668 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8267 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 19):
They will likely continue to look at growing FLL-International, which I think will be a big focus in late 2009. They want to give Spirit a run for their money, and FLL is a far stronger market than MCO.

I would like to see that and I think B6 will be able to out perform Spirit. There could be up to 3-4 new routes/flights added to LAX by the end of the year.

Quoting AirNovaBAe146 (Reply 3):
A330s anyone? B6 guys have been talking about that for a long time, although it might be much ado about nothing.

It could be nothing but who knows what the future holds. Barger could be keeping this one close to the heart.



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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2908 posts, RR: 31
Reply 21, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8164 times:

Let's not forget that JetBlue has withdrawn from several domestic markets (Atlanta, Columbus, Nashville, Tucson, Ontario), not to mention various routes; international expansion seems to have been doing extremely well. If I'm not mistaken not a single international route has been dropped. Just look at JetBlue's arrival into Puerto Rico - an AA stronghold. JetBlue went up against the hometown hub carrier on key routes to Florida, New York, and Boston - and clearly won out. JetBlue has also done well in Bermuda and the Bahamas - markets in which other airlines have attempted to expand and seemingly failed (UA comes to mind). If anything, I would expect JetBlue to continue adding Caribbean and Central American markets. Grand Cayman, Providenciales, Guatemala City, San Salvador, Punta Cana, St. Thomas, Mexico City, and others come to mind as future JetBlue destinations.


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User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4296 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7959 times:

Don't expect Hawaii routes anytime soon for B6. Although Airbus may have received ETOPS approval for some of their aircraft, JetBlue hasn't and I'm guessing that is a pretty expensive routine. And would the A320 be safe on a trip that far, does it have the range? Perhaps the A319 would be a better bet, but again that's another aircraft type and a smaller one at that.

All of this adds up to a simple statement: Hawaii is just not worth it for B6 as things stand right now.

Quoting JFernandez (Reply 8):
Obviously you're not going to see something like LGB-NRT anytime in the forseeable future, but as the airline grows, it might not be absurd.

As we sit here in 2009 and considering the state of US airlines, the US economy, etc., I'm going to say it is pretty absurd. Ten years down the line or more, who knows, but if you can predict what this industry will be like a decade from now you are better than me.
The only way JetBlue will ever fly to somewhere like that is if they 'merge' or 'buy' another airline and inherit their fleet of long-range aircraft. Again, considering current cash flow and economic climate, it ain't gonna happen.

Quoting JFernandez (Reply 9):
Correct. I'm looking for places B6 can expand to without adding an additional equipment type, which I assume B6 would look to avoid if possible.

The US is pretty saturated for sure. There are a few opportunities here and there for sure, especially as other airlines prune their routes, etc. But its basically slim pickings. I'd think Carribean and Central American growth - from MCO/FLL and JFK - is probably where we'll see the steady growth by JetBlue. And even that will run dry one day. Fortunately, their growth is highly curtailed so adding only a few new cities or markets a year is probably the best that one can hope for over the next few years.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 21):
Let's not forget that JetBlue has withdrawn from several domestic markets (Atlanta, Columbus, Nashville, Tucson, Ontario),

ONT and TUS were one flight a day redeyes, if I recall... hardly a huge market presence.
ATL was a much discussed experiment and certain market changes forced a reversal in that decision. Clearly not flying to New York was a huge part of the problem there.

As for CMH and BNA, I can only think they didn't do their homework when picking those cities. Odd or inconsistent flight times, coupled with some of the early delays and problems encountered by the E190 aircraft didn't build a strong customer base. Plus, who in those cities wanted to connect through JFK to get to Florida or the west coast? I think if they had introduced north-south destinations from those markets (say MCO and FLL), they would have been more successful. But what do I know? That strategy seemed to work for some of their other small markets like RDU and RIC. Maybe it was easier to just gracefully back away from those markets instead of trying to inject a presence into the market and flogging a proverbial dead horse.



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User currently offlineSkyHigh777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 378 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7947 times:

I'm excited about JetBlue's expansions! I have a job interview for Inflight Crewmember with B6 in a couple of weeks. I applied as a bilingual cabin crew, so I'm guessing they will be focusing on expanding to the Latin American sector. Good to see B6 growing steadily!!


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User currently offlineIcebird757 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 668 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7661 times:



Quoting Richierich (Reply 22):
ONT and TUS were one flight a day redeyes, if I recall... hardly a huge market presence.

ONT was a 2 flight a day city during summer season but back to 1 flight during winter.

On a seperate note, with the expansion plans at LAX don't think that B6 won't try to get more gates in terminal 6 or get several gates in the new terminal(even though it will be a while for the new terminal). I think that B6 will be expanding LAX and could slowly withdraw a few flights from LGB or move flights around and try new flights from LGB like DEN for example.



LGB....where you can watch the grass grow because the traffic is so slow.
25 AEroc : Heard rumors of a LGB-BUF opening? Anyone hear about that? Here in ROC we hear of expanded schedules coming in May with a few extra JFK flights but no
26 Flybyguy : These seem like very likely off mainland destinations for jetblue in the future. However, I think that jetblue would be best advised to use its partn
27 EMBQA : You may think that... but jetBlue is very happy with the E190s. After some teething pains early on and lots of hard work work by jetBlue and Embraer
28 CanyonBlue17 : Just some notes about the above comment. JetBlue Revenue Passenger Miles for Feb dropped 8.3 percent. Jetblue Available Seat Miles for Feb dropped 5.
29 EMBQA : and just a note on your comments... Southwest RPM was down -6.0% Southwest ASM was down -6.5% Southwest FL was up.. very slightly 0.4% (YTD is down -
30 Wedgetail737 : Someone like B6 just needs to make a bold move and start a slew of north-south traffic, like PDX-SAN, SEA-OAK, PDX-LAX, etc. Is this possible?
31 CanyonBlue17 : If WN numbers are about equal, why can't we have a similar topic started about them. The answer is because "stable" isn't a very good word to describ
32 CanyonBlue17 : This may have something to do with the fact that JetBlue charges $100 at a minimum to change your ticket and because of that generally has a much low
33 Csturdiv : What turn around times does B6 shoot for with their aircraft? I am guessing that the A320 and E190 have different times due to the sizes, correct?
34 Bostonsox : B6 can use FLL and MCO as connecting hubs for the Carribean, Central, and South America, and that would generate a lot of revenue. NK will fight them,
35 JOEYCAPPS : Doesn't mean B6 can't acquire any ETOPS 320's....
36 EMBQA : I picked Southwest because they have been long noted as an industry leader in stability... That will not effect the load factor as the person will st
37 AA767400 : Puerto Rico is not an international destination. You do not require any paperwork to enter the island. However I do agree that B6 has taken over many
38 Fxramper : I love seeing more of B6 at AUS. Would love to see them fly a E190 to Central America or Mexico from here. Love using them to get to JFK and LGB from
39 Icebird757 : I highly doubt that would happen. I would bet you see LGB-DEN or LGB-HOU before we see that route. That will probably happen in all due time. I know
40 SKYYBLUE : I think JetBlue will continue to expand in Orlando. Despite everyone saying how low-yielding MCO is, JetBlue does VERY well out of Orlando. I also hop
41 SCL767 : It would be interesting if B6 were to fly FLL-KIN, with AA, NK, and JM already on the route. As for FLL-BGI, JM already tried this route and failed.
42 SurfandSnow : I don't think there would be the traffic to warrant either of these services. Connecting any two overwhelmingly leisure destinations does not usually
43 Wedgetail737 : B6 probably could make ORD-OAK work on purely O&D traffic. Others have done it like Jet America, AA and Express One.
44 MSYtristar : No, but there has always been very strong demand between MSY and most of those cities mentioned. And actually, although not booming, New Orleans has
45 United_Fan : FL already tried BOS-ROC.
46 SKYYBLUE : HA! In Long Beach, that will be the day! It does not make sense to me why they have not started JFK-MIA yet. They claim the cost of doing business is
47 SCL767 : It doesn't make sense for B6 to open up a new station at MIA given that FLL is their focus city in South Florida. Also, MIA-JFK is already well serve
48 MAH4546 : STT and STX are in the United States. MIA-JFK is not well-served at all with only 9 daily flights, connecting a city pair in America's largest O&D ma
49 SANFan : On the other thread, we talked about SAN-SEA; I think SAN-PDX at least would be the same situation. IF Blue commits to these intra-West routes (and m
50 SCL767 : I would prefer it if B6 were to fly into MIA from the West Coast before VX does; but that's just my opinion. The fares between MIA and LGA/JFK are al
51 SKYYBLUE : Not slot-holders in the least. When LGB first opened and had 8x daily A320 flights to Oakland, and 6x daily to Las Vegas.... those were "slot-holders
52 Congaboy : Like PR, these are both US possessions, I dont believe pre-clearance (or any immigration) is needed.
53 Jetstar : The most important fact as to B6’s A-320’s if they are certified ETOPS so they can fly long range over water flights to Hawaii is not range, but
54 BOStonsox : I wonder if we'll see them do to Boston what they did to New York and start PVD and/or MHT. They won't really be bleeding the traffic from BOS and may
55 Icebird757 : Last time I looked there were only 4 daily flights LAX-MCO between 3 airlines. Not sure how competitive that route is when you look at LAX-IAD which
56 Wedgetail737 : During the peak of Jet America's existence, they flew as much as 5X daily OAK-ORD, with continuing service or connections to DTW and DCA. Don't forge
57 Post contains links Hatbutton : I don't know all that went into the 73G ETOPS aircraft at AS, but I don't remember them requiring significant mods to be able to fly SEA/ANC - Hawaii
58 Luckyone : This may not seem very relevant to the thread but when I read the title my first though was how many bad one-liners can one draw from the movie "All A
59 SANFan : Funny, cause I was reminded (slightly) about 007 films, as in, "...Bond. James Bond." The thread may now return to aviation-related discussions... bb
60 Richierich : Are you sure about that? Because I am not. On a twin, if one engine fails the aircraft HAS to be able to sustain level flight on one engine. Otherwis
61 AEroc : I know that FL already tried it but as was mentioned the customers know whats going on with B6 and its routes more than FL I think. BOS is still expa
62 Jetstar : Then I stand corrected, but in their case they had numerous alternates to land along the way if their fuel was not going to be sufficient to make the
63 JetBlueAUS : Yeah, LGB-OAK runs at three daily flights now, not two.
64 MSYtristar : AM flew the route with DC-9's and (from time to time) MD-80's....of course, they also competed with LR. LR eventually was the last carrier to fly the
65 United_Fan : I know it's apples and oranges,but remember people thought the same thing about FL's ROC-LAS because WN did it from BUF and it ended up stopping here
66 Aer : It would be cool to have them in GUA, however I'd think they would fly from MCO for connecting flights, especially to the west coast. Although a dire
67 SCL767 : B6 would gladly be welcomed at BZE; especially since AA's fares on MIA-BZE are extremely expensive!
68 MAH4546 : What west coast? The only Florida-West Coast service they have is FLL-LGB.
69 Aer : Wasn't aware of that, sorry. Figured that MCO was their SOFLA hub.
70 Petteri : Well there is also the FLL-AUS-SFO through flight. I would count that as a Florida to West Coast flight.
71 Wedgetail737 : True...very true. With UA out of the OAK-ORD route and AA completely out, one would think there would still be an OAK-ORD market, even if it was main
72 Icebird757 : We have 3 daily flights, I end up working the 2 flights on the pm shift most of the time.
73 Jetbluefan1 : B6 does well on this route. LGB-SFO, which recently started, also operates at 3x - which is why OAK was reduced from 6x to 3x. The LGB-SFO flights do
74 Wedgetail737 : Does B6 get a lot of connection traffic through LGB? Probably a dumb question.
75 Jetbluefan1 : Well, it depends on what your interpretation of "a lot" is. During the winter months, when JFK-SMF/PDX do not operate non-stop, I'm sure there are a
76 Wedgetail737 : South Tahoe City or South Lake Tahoe??? Out of Sacramento, remember to head east SR-50...and not I-80. You have RNO as an option, but it's not much s
77 Icebird757 : We get a fair amount mostly on the JFK inbound/outbound flights and BOS gets the second most of connex traffic. AUS gets anywhere from 10-30 through
78 MAH4546 : Their FLL and MCO operations are almost identical; it fluxes, but during the winter FLL is typically a larger station; during the summer MCO is large
79 N623JB : JetBlue should order a A330/A350..."low fares to Europe"..thats the idea that I think should make sense. Free snacks and drinks,comfy leather seats,ne
80 GSPSPOT : Would they ever add medium-size markets with the Embraers like they talked about when they ordered them? IIRC, GSP was on a short list before deliveri
81 SKYYBLUE : The original list of cities jetBlue planned to serve: Atlanta; Boston; Buffalo; Burlington, VT; Canton/Akron; Charleston, SC; Charleston, WV; Charlot
82 Jetbluefan1 : Speaking of MCO, I would take an educated guess and say that MCO will see some decent South American/Central American expansion over the next few yea
83 SKYYBLUE : Where else do you think jetBlue will head to in South America, from MCO? I'm glad to hear the MCO-SJO is looking good, despite all the negative on th
84 Jetbluefan1 : I have no idea lol. I think SJO and BOG were the two largest South/Central American destinations from MCO without non-stop service. Since both routes
85 NASBWI : I'm sure there's a fair amount, especially since there's more frequency to our west coast destinations through LGB than there are from direct flights
86 Inthesky74 : Where do you get your information? The MCO-BOG flights are actually doing quite well now - they started off VERY slow, but they are doing well each d
87 Jetbluefan1 : You're right - the MCO-BOG flights have picked up significantly in terms of load factors. However, yields continue to be low. Don't forget that B6 wa
88 MAH4546 : For what purpose? The total daily O&D market for MCO-STI/POP is less than ten people. If they add more to STI/POP, it would be from FLL. You're right
89 SKYYBLUE : Looks like the lowest advanced purchase fare for the route is now $99 o/w... which is the same fare they charge on MCO-CUN which is a much shorter ro
90 MAH4546 : No, because of BOG's climate. That's why an A320 can't do JFK-BOG, despite being in range. JetBlue would much rather do JFK-BOG, I'm sure.
91 N623JB : In the subject of jetBlue, I was thinking of JetBlue having a publication in bookstores...maybe like their internal magazine..called BluePrint..but ma
92 Jetbluefan1 : Oh wow, I wasn't aware that those markets were so small from MCO. What makes MCO-SDQ successful then? Is SDQ really that much larger of a market than
93 N623JB : Interesting. Then, I guess jetBlue should promote the JFK-MCO-BOG route then.I would like to promote them 100% in my school(college)
94 BOStonsox : That's not a bad idea, I wonder if any other airlines have thought of that. If they make it more of a travel magazine and sold them in bookstores the
95 MAH4546 : Yes, SDQ is that much larger a market. It's a much larger city. What makes SDQ work isn't likely Orlando traffic. Orlando does not have a large Domin
96 SANFan : Maybe I missed your point but It seems important to me to realize that B6 does serve about 59 cities now so perhaps the original list of (44) cities
97 SKYYBLUE : My point was, jetBlue could serve many of those DOMESTIC cities with the E190 IMO. They planned the serve those cities with 162-seat A320's back in t
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