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Are These CRT Screens In This Old A330?  
User currently offlineDeaphen From India, joined Jul 2005, 1426 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4217 times:

Hi guys:

I have a question, i have photographed a few cockpits in the last few years, and normally whenever i have seen a 320 or 330 or 340 for that matter, the screens in the flight deck have seemed rather different from the ones in this picture.

I had a similar experience last year in an AF 321, the screens looked very different and were similar to this picture, rounded in the edges, while i have noticed, newer birds have sharper screens with right angles as opposed to the rounded edges as in this picture.

Even from photographing them, i found it easier to get the information on the screens from the newer models as compared to the older ones.

Any help appreciated.

Warm regards
Nitin


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User currently offlineLH526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2360 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4181 times:
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Yes, starting in 2004 IIRC, Airbus introduced LCD screens in favor over the old CRT ones in the flight deck.


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21571 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4134 times:

Yes, these are CRTs. LCDs made their first appearance in Airbus aircraft with the arrival of the 340-600, and new builds of other types after that started to have the LCDs installed. Prior to that, all Airbus aircraft except the 300 and 310 had CRTs.

Quoting Deaphen (Thread starter):
Even from photographing them, i found it easier to get the information on the screens from the newer models as compared to the older ones.

That's why they made the change.  Wink

Also, LCDs are more reliable and use less power.

-Mir



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User currently offlineSeaBosDca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5410 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4121 times:



Quoting Mir (Reply 2):

Also, LCDs are more reliable and use less power.

And much much lighter, as anyone who's ever carried a CRT TV up a flight of stairs can attest...


User currently offlineDeaphen From India, joined Jul 2005, 1426 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4093 times:

Thanks guys, thats interesting!

I had a real hard time getting the screens to "not be blank" which using the flash! But i was still unsuccesful.

Thanks again
Nitin



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21571 posts, RR: 55
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4068 times:



Quoting Mir (Reply 2):
Prior to that, all Airbus aircraft except the 300 and 310 had CRTs.

I should amend this (incorrect) statement: The 300 and 310 also have CRTs - they just don't have the same avionics suite as the later models.

-Mir



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User currently offlineDingDong From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3980 times:



Quoting Deaphen (Reply 4):
I had a real hard time getting the screens to "not be blank" which using the flash! But i was still unsuccesful.

I have to wonder if you might be more successful with a higher ISO-capable digital SLR camera, skip the flash, and set it to spot metering (as opposed to matrix/evaluative metering) so that the camera doesn't try to blow out the exposure due to the light from the windows?

Also wonder if you might have to set the shutter speed to a multiple of the LCD's refresh cycle -- which is often 60 Hz for consumer LCD screens. So, if the A330 LCD's refresh rate was 60 Hz, you'd set the shutter speed to, e.g. 1/60sec, 1/120sec, etc., perhaps?

Main benefit for the shutter speed tweak is that you would be less likely to see a 'tearing' effect where the screen is halfway drawn when the camera takes its picture. But then again, I'm not sure if aircraft LCD screens suffers from tearing.

A high ISO-capable DSLR, 50mm f/1.4 or f/1.8 lens (or a nice wide angle lens such as a fisheye or 14-24mm lens), and a few settings tweak would probably have really great results. Smile



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User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3980 times:

Did you notice the name of the photographer of the photo that is in the OP?

Her name should be instantly recognizable by any fan of Indian Aviation.



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User currently offlineDeaphen From India, joined Jul 2005, 1426 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3946 times:



Quoting DingDong (Reply 6):
I have to wonder if you might be more successful with a higher ISO-capable digital SLR camera, skip the flash, and set it to spot metering (as opposed to matrix/evaluative metering) so that the camera doesn't try to blow out the exposure due to the light from the windows

Yes i did that, the problem was, it was inflight, and i wanted to get the outside view metered well aswell, so i was metering for the outside and using an external flash to light up the instruments, which led to the instruments being blank, even though i was bouncing it off the roof.

Quoting WestWing (Reply 7):
Did you notice the name of the photographer of the photo that is in the OP?

Her name should be instantly recognizable by any fan of Indian Aviation.

Yes, Capt. Bhasin is a brilliant person and good friend, and congratulations to her on her first picture in the DB.

Regards
Nitin



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User currently offlineDeaphen From India, joined Jul 2005, 1426 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3946 times:



Quoting DingDong (Reply 6):


A high ISO-capable DSLR, 50mm f/1.4 or f/1.8 lens (or a nice wide angle lens such as a fisheye or 14-24mm lens), and a few settings tweak would probably have really great results

Thats what i was using, a 50D with a Sigma 8mm fisheye, infact the pics are on a.net itself.

Nitin



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User currently offlineDingDong From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3931 times:



Quoting Deaphen (Reply 8):
Yes i did that, the problem was, it was inflight, and i wanted to get the outside view metered well aswell, so i was metering for the outside and using an external flash to light up the instruments, which led to the instruments being blank, even though i was bouncing it off the roof.

Ahhh, I see. Makes sense.

Quoting Deaphen (Reply 9):
Thats what i was using, a 50D with a Sigma 8mm fisheye, infact the pics are on a.net itself.

Nice!!



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7539 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3345 times:



Quoting LH526 (Reply 1):
Yes, starting in 2004 IIRC, Airbus introduced LCD screens in favor over the old CRT ones in the flight deck.

NW's Airbus's (Well A330's) have LCD screens and they got delivered in 2003



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User currently offlineStar_world From Ireland, joined Jun 2001, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3245 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 11):
NW's Airbus's (Well A330's) have LCD screens and they got delivered in 2003

All delivered in 2004 or later, except for the first one (N804NW). There are unfortunately no pictures online that I can find of this aircraft's flight deck.


User currently offlineLH526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2360 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3101 times:
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Quoting Star_world (Reply 12):
All delivered in 2004 or later, except for the first one (N804NW). There are unfortunately no pictures online that I can find of this aircraft's flight deck.



Quoting Star_world (Reply 12):
NW's Airbus's (Well A330's) have LCD screens and they got delivered in 2003

Well, as I wrote: IIRC.  Smile Develped during 2000-2001.



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User currently offlineTimf From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 969 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2757 times:
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Northwest's were among the first of the enhanced version of the A330, which included an upgraded interior like that on the A340-600. I'm not exactly sure what the full list of enhancements are, but the LCDs in the cockpit must be part of this upgrade.

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