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User currently offlineHNL-Jack From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 820 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6626 times:

Just curious. Does anyone know if HA's coach configuration will be 2-5-2 or 3-4-3?


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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15781 posts, RR: 27
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6597 times:

Neither. A330s use 8 abreast seating. My guess is that we will see 2-4-2 like NW and many others.


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User currently offlineHAMAD From United Arab Emirates, joined Apr 2000, 1160 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6561 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
Neither. A330s use 8 abreast seating. My guess is that we will see 2-4-2 like NW and many others.

well, thats not always the case. on charter planes, they tend to squeeze an additional seat abreast. it would be 3 -3 -3



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User currently offlineEghansen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6543 times:



Quoting HAMAD (Reply 2):
well, thats not always the case. on charter planes, they tend to squeeze an additional seat abreast. it would be 3 -3 -3

That may be the case for charters, but American scheduled carriers make a lot of money carrying freight in the belly, especially US mail. They do not always want to maximize their passenger payload.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7592 posts, RR: 42
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6509 times:



Quoting HNL-Jack (Thread starter):
Does anyone know if HA's coach configuration will be 2-5-2 or 3-4-3?

3-4-3 is impossible in an A330!!! Well, maybe impossible is not the right word, but if an airline were to configure its A330s or A340s for 10 abreast, it would have to cater only to anorexic people!

I would assume HA will go with 2-4-2 like the majority of the non-charter airlines that operate the type.



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User currently offlineHNL-Jack From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 820 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6303 times:

Thanks, as I have not been on the A-330...I thought it was wider than it apparently is. I am hoping they'll keep the two seats on the outside aisles.


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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15781 posts, RR: 27
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6276 times:



Quoting HNL-Jack (Reply 5):
Thanks, as I have not been on the A-330...I thought it was wider than it apparently is. I am hoping they'll keep the two seats on the outside aisles

The A330 falls between the 767 and 777 in cabin width. For HA who carries Hawaiians, some of whom are of Samoan descent (naturally beefy people) and Americans (just fat) the nine wide configuration would be less than ideal.



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User currently offlineVHqpa From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 1477 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6272 times:

Maybe the OP meant the A350 which IIRC is 9 abreast. With the current aircraft with 9 abreast seating is usually configured either 2-5-2 or 3-3-3 an then there's a couple with 3-4-2.



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User currently onlineHA_DC9 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 653 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 6205 times:

From what has been mentioned by HA insiders on this board previously, the A332's that will arrive starting next year will be configured in 2-4-2 in Y class and I believe 2-2-2 in F. Both classes will also have the Panasonic eX2 IFE system. The A358's coming in 2017 will be 3-3-3 in Y.

User currently offlineSeemyseems From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 970 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5787 times:

I reckon the 3x3x3 looks better, plus its 9 across and 2x4x2 is only 8.

And the 3x3x3 looks more spaced out and more comfortable.



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24947 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5602 times:



Quoting Seemyseems (Reply 9):
I reckon the 3x3x3 looks better, plus its 9 across and 2x4x2 is only 8.

And the 3x3x3 looks more spaced out and more comfortable.

???!!!??? Adding an extra seat across the aisle is more spaced out and comfortable?  Wink



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25653 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5514 times:



Quoting Seemyseems (Reply 9):
I reckon the 3x3x3 looks better, plus its 9 across and 2x4x2 is only 8.

And the 3x3x3 looks more spaced out and more comfortable.

Are you joking? How can narrower seats and aisles and 9 people jammed in the space of 8 be more spaced out and comfortable? I'm not aware of any major carriers operating the A300/310/330/340 with 9-abreast in Y class except charter/leisure carriers. MX has one or two A330s with 9-abreast but that's because they were acquired (probably leased) from a charter carrier and they kept the original seats.

9-abreast on an A330/340 is at least as bad if not worse than 10-abreast on a 777.


User currently offlineCXH From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5154 times:



Quoting Seemyseems (Reply 9):
I reckon the 3x3x3 looks better, plus its 9 across and 2x4x2 is only 8.

And the 3x3x3 looks more spaced out and more comfortable.

I think I know what you were trying to say: 3-3-3 "appears" nicer on first glance, especially to uninformed pax.

This happened to me a few years ago on Air Transat's 330-300: I travelled YVR - PUJ (and I suspect these pax) on an Air Transat 330-200 which is in 3-3-3 in Y class. On the way back PUJ - YVR, we got their one and only 333 which is in 2-4-2. Some pax behind us just as we boarded the aircraft said: "Hey, we're on a smaller plane then we came down on."



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User currently offline330lover From Belgium, joined Jul 2008, 591 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4990 times:

As a matter of fact, there are major carriers operating 3-3-3 on A330.

Emirates is one of them. Never understood that an airline pretending highest quality squeezes 9 abreast in these aircraft, but they do.



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User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4787 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4890 times:
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I'm not sure EK uses any 9 across A330s, but they do use 10 across 777s

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25653 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4877 times:



Quoting 330lover (Reply 13):
As a matter of fact, there are major carriers operating 3-3-3 on A330.
Emirates is one of them. Never understood that an airline pretending highest quality squeezes 9 abreast in these aircraft, but they do.

I think that's incorrect. As far as I know, EK has always had 8-abreast 2-4-2 seating in Y class on their A330s, and that's all that's shown in their website seat charts for both the 2-class and 3-class A330-200s.
http://www.emirates.com/english/flying/our_fleet/airbus_A330_200.aspx

Where EK is uncompetitive on A330s is their 7-abreast (2-3-2) business class product. That's almost unheard of on Airbus widebodies in any other major carrier. Their 8-abreast Y class product on the A330 is competitive, unlike their cramped 10-abreast 777s.


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6496 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4750 times:



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 3):
That may be the case for charters, but American scheduled carriers make a lot of money carrying freight in the belly, especially US mail. They do not always want to maximize their passenger payload

Many American carriers have not carried the US Mail for years as it was unprofitable.


User currently offlineLevent From France, joined Sep 2004, 1718 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4474 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 15):
Their 8-abreast Y class product on the A330 is competitive, unlike their cramped 10-abreast 777s.

I would choose an Emirates A330-200 over that company's Boeing 777-300ER anytime, despite the superfancy IFE system on the Triple Seven. I flew on both.

I flew once on an Airbus A300 with 3-3-3 seating, with Turkish charter airline Air Alfa, and I must say I can't remember it being uncomfortable. The load was almost 100%.


User currently offline747srule From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 429 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4473 times:

What routes are these A-330's going to fly?


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User currently offlinePohakuloa From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 421 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4429 times:



Quoting HA_DC9 (Reply 8):
From what has been mentioned by HA insiders on this board previously, the A332's that will arrive starting next year will be configured in 2-4-2 in Y class and I believe 2-2-2 in F. Both classes will also have the Panasonic eX2 IFE system. The A358's coming in 2017 will be 3-3-3 in Y.

I am looking forward to the 2-4-2 config. I am a fat a$s, or what you PC people would call a passenger of size, and the 2-4-2 I experienced on NW was awesome!

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 16):
Many American carriers have not carried the US Mail for years as it was unprofitable.

Across the Pacific to and from Hawaii cargo is a huge business from everything I have heard and gathered. Mail or other things, if they can fit it and get paid for it I would think it all goes!

Quoting 747srule (Reply 18):
What routes are these A-330's going to fly?

From what insiders (pilots, attendants and people "familiar with the situation" here on a.net and other places) have said they will likely do west coast runs for crew familiarity purposes with the aircraft. After a few have entered the fleet they will be rotated on most other routes here and there. Atleast that is what I remember of the information stated from those sources.



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User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2565 posts, RR: 53
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2714 times:



Quoting HA_DC9 (Reply 8):
From what has been mentioned by HA insiders on this board previously, the A332's that will arrive starting next year will be configured in 2-4-2 in Y class and I believe 2-2-2 in F. Both classes will also have the Panasonic eX2 IFE system. The A358's coming in 2017 will be 3-3-3 in Y.

This is the correct answer.

Quoting 747srule (Reply 18):
What routes are these A-330's going to fly?

The first 18 months or so will be Hawaii- west coast. This is to keep the planes closer to our maintenance bases (HNL, SFO, LAX), and to get two legs a day instead of 1 or 1 1/2 as would happen if they flew longer flights. This is to speed up pilot training; flying in departure/arrival/landing situations is what is most important during a pilot's first few flights in a new plane. Sitting there watching the Pacific roll by is not so important.

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