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Reclear Security Airside, Why?  
User currently offlineRafabozzolla From Brazil, joined Apr 2000, 1229 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2348 times:

I just flew JJ8011 last Sunday. Flight was same plane EZE-GRU-CNF same plane service but, at GRU, I had to deplane and re-board the same plane, really!

Two things don't make sense for me here:

1- Why make us leave and return to the same aircraft?

2- I did not go through customs or immigration at GRU, only at CNF, so why did I have to go through X-ray again to reach the gate if I was airside all the time?

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User currently offlineThePinnacleKid From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 725 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2323 times:

1- Why make us leave and return to the same aircraft?

Sometimes necessary if their are crew changes... either way, even with same crew, it gives the crew a nice break (they're not paid on the ground at the gate) and it also allows them to prep for the next flight... clean/cater/etc....



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User currently offlineSandyb123 From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2007, 1110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2307 times:
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I had a similar experience at SIN but was because of 'customs clearance'?? I suspected commercial reasons to get people to spend at the airport, but the turnaround was only 30 minutes.

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User currently offlineRafabozzolla From Brazil, joined Apr 2000, 1229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2244 times:



Quoting Sandyb123 (Reply 2):
I had a similar experience at SIN but was because of 'customs clearance'

But I did not clear customs at GRU


User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7635 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2225 times:

Could there have been concerns about the checks done at EZE ?.

User currently offlineIslander From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2076 times:

Why? Because it suits the authorities.

User currently offlineRafabozzolla From Brazil, joined Apr 2000, 1229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1988 times:

Mindless bureaucracy, it's the only reason I can think of. There were other pax on int'l to int'l connections who had to do the same, even staying airside all the time.

User currently offlineDaBuzzard From Canada, joined Sep 2007, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1971 times:

Had to do the same at Incheon.....get off, down the hall, through a checkpoint then up the stairs and back on the same a/c.
Don't know why but it was a chance for a quick butt after 10 hours in the air  Smile

Off topic, do they not have ac at Incheon? Was hot and humid like crazy in the terminal, same on the return trip 4 weeks later.


User currently offlineAmmunition From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 1065 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1941 times:

I have done the same on LHR-DXB-Brunei flights on BI, it must be the local regulations and also the airport maybe wanting passengers to spend some money, crew changes too i guess. A combination of factors.


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25457 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1933 times:



Quoting Ammunition (Reply 8):
I have done the same on LHR-DXB-Brunei flights on BI, it must be the local regulations and also the airport maybe wanting passengers to spend some money, crew changes too i guess. A combination of factors.

The same thing happens in other parts of the world. If you're connecting at AMS (except between two flights wholly within the Schengen area) you always have to clear security again before your connecting flight. I assume the same requirement exists on the few through flights that stop in AMS en route somewhere else, for example NW's flights USA-AMS-BOM.


User currently offlinePA101 From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 491 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1925 times:

I would also assume that in most of these cases authorities require all departing pax to have cleared THEIR security screenings instead of trusting the screenings performed in another country...

User currently offlineAirPortugal310 From Tokelau, joined Apr 2004, 3643 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1919 times:

Well you could also ask why in the US and Europe, in my experiences, their may be secondary screenings at the gates.

Do they not trust their own initial screenings?

I know there are a myriad of reasons why...Im just playing devil's advocate.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11439 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1734 times:
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Quoting Rafabozzolla (Thread starter):
1- Why make us leave and return to the same aircraft?

It's more about the airport. While TAM runs this flight as EZE-GIG-CNF all passengers going to CNF could wait in the aircraft. All TAM connecting flights thru Guarulhos demand de-board and a new boarding, and this includes a new check-point.

Quoting Rafabozzolla (Thread starter):
2- I did not go through customs or immigration at GRU, only at CNF, so why did I have to go through X-ray again to reach the gate if I was airside all the time?

Because again of the airport.
I made a connection in CNF, leave one plane (G3 73G IOS-CNF) and was guided to the boarding area (to continue on G3 738 CNF-GIG) without the need of x-ray check just because at CNF it's not required.
At GRU you would need that.

Quoting AirPortugal310 (Reply 11):
Do they not trust their own initial screenings?

It's incredible but if you connect at GRU, CGH, GIG, BSB and some others, you need a new X-Ray check even being all domestic airports managed by the same company. Probably they believe there are weapons available on board.

Quoting PA101 (Reply 10):
I would also assume that in most of these cases authorities require all departing pax to have cleared THEIR security screenings instead of trusting the screenings performed in another country...

Yes...but in Brazil this happens on a CGH-GIG / GIG-SSA flight for example. You will need to pass thru security in CGH and GIG.
The same if you are flying for example GIG-GRU-JFK on AA or GIG-GRU-EWR on CO .... you will need to pass thru security on BOTH airports.



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User currently offlineOlympic472 From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1646 times:

I have experienced this at KIX for TG, also in HKG for UA (different flight number but the same plane).


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User currently offlineThePinnacleKid From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 725 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1599 times:

this thread is confusing... the OP's statements were getting off the plane and back on the same plane.. not having to exit the secure area and then return.... but the topic line implies the latter.... which is it???


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25457 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1583 times:



Quoting ThePinnacleKid (Reply 14):
this thread is confusing... the OP's statements were getting off the plane and back on the same plane.. not having to exit the secure area and then return.... but the topic line implies the latter.... which is it???

I think the topic covers any passengers arriving at that airport and continuing on either the same flight or on a connecting flight. The security reasons for a second check are the same in both scenarios.


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