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N164AT Rides Again  
User currently offlineLN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1907 posts, RR: 14
Posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8048 times:

Looks like my old friend, L1011-500 N164AT of ATA, is off to a new career in the Middle East. The following was posted on Skyliner.

Lockheed 1011 -500 1238 N164AT Air Charter Express delivery 09-10mar09 VCV-PHX-SNN-FJR ex JY-AGE


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User currently onlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6412 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8025 times:



Quoting LN-MOW (Thread starter):
Looks like my old friend, L1011-500 N164AT of ATA, is off to a new career in the Middle East. The following was posted on Skyliner.

Now this is indeed good news. Nice to see another Tritanic find a new home and be spared, at least temporarily, from the graveyard.



Next trip: MSY-SEA-GEG-SEA-LWS-BOI-PDX-SEA-LAS on AS
User currently offlineChase From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1054 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8001 times:

This makes me happy.

Hmm...PHX-SNN...I know it's a bit out of the way and would never happen anyway, but it would be awesome if they did a flyby of IND  Smile


User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7210 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7968 times:

Looking at the Productionlist, it seems to be destined for Barq Aviation. If you look at the airframes that have been recently updated there were several others going the same way.

http://www.eucomairlines.de/


User currently offlineLN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1907 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7545 times:

Your tracked aircraft N164AT has just filed a flight plan. It is scheduled to
depart KVCV (So California Logistics) at 11:40 PDT heading for KAHX () for an
arrival at 20:56 GMT.

Expected route: APLES V386 PSP DECAS J65 BLH



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User currently offlineIFlyATA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 238 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7182 times:

Hmm...no sign of it on FlightAware -- did it end up operating today?


ATA - an honestly different airline.
User currently offlineLN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1907 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6992 times:

Another 24h delay .... how many of these have we had .. ah - memories memories ...  cheerful 


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User currently offlineIFlyATA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 238 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6925 times:

Hah! You can really tell it's an ex-ATA bird.  spin 


ATA - an honestly different airline.
User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1448 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6642 times:

I had posted elsewhere that the three remaining airworthy ATA L-1011-500s (N162, 163, 164AT) were sold to Barq Aviation of Jordan. This followed a solicitation by the ATA estate and was approved by the bankruptcy court with a $1.5 million winning bid by Barq.

I believe the owner, Mr. Mughrabi, had posted on the L-1011 yahoo group recently that N164AT was supposed to leave first and over the past weekend, but like we had many times before while she was in TZ service, she appears to be delayed.



35 years of American Trans Air/ATA Airlines, 1973-2008. A great little airline that will not be soon forgotten.
User currently offlineKPHXFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 413 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6583 times:

They had her parked by the Emir of Qatar's VP-BAT at PHX and she was so pretty. It was awesome seeing such a great bird next to the 747SP. Sadly, she left before I get a good camera shot of her.

User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1448 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6558 times:



Quoting KPHXFlyer (Reply 9):
They had her parked by the Emir of Qatar's VP-BAT at PHX and she was so pretty. It was awesome seeing such a great bird next to the 747SP. Sadly, she left before I get a good camera shot of her.

Damn, I wish someone had got a shot of her. I miss those ole girls.



35 years of American Trans Air/ATA Airlines, 1973-2008. A great little airline that will not be soon forgotten.
User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5613 times:

They were running more reliably after the D-checks, I thought. Wasn't the consensus that GAMCO did a nice job?

In any event, the bidder got a decent deal given the recent maintenance and AD compliance.


User currently offlineJolau1701 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 221 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5253 times:

Out of all due respect, as someone who worked ramp on an ATA L1011, I have to say those are probably the one of the worst airplanes I've ever dealt with in my entire life as a ramp agent.

User currently offlineRJAF From Jordan, joined Jan 2007, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5005 times:

Great news...bring our baby 'Golf Echo' back home  Smile


Chance favors the prepared mind
User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3613 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4897 times:

What's the new owner planning to do with them? Charter, Hadj flights? VIP? Freighter?


Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...
User currently offlineRampguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4822 times:



Quoting Jolau1701 (Reply 12):
Out of all due respect, as someone who worked ramp on an ATA L1011, I have to say those are probably the one of the worst airplanes I've ever dealt with in my entire life as a ramp agent.

Well considering that ATA made you bulk load the bags, I can completely understand why you would hate working the L1011. You should never be made to bulk load a widebody a/c on a regular scheduled flight. That's why the manufacturer put rollers in the bins.


User currently offlineFX1816 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4805 times:



Quoting Rampguy (Reply 15):
Well considering that ATA made you bulk load the bags, I can completely understand why you would hate working the L1011. You should never be made to bulk load a widebody a/c on a regular scheduled flight. That's why the manufacturer put rollers in the bins.

Yeah I totally understand that too, it was always confusing to me as to why ATA would have the bellies get loose loaded. Maybe a former TZ employee can help shed some light???

FX1816


User currently offlineRevo1059 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3902 times:



Quote:
Well considering that ATA made you bulk load the bags, I can completely understand why you would hate working the L1011. You should never be made to bulk load a widebody a/c on a regular scheduled flight. That's why the manufacturer put rollers in the bins.

RJ used to do the same thing when their L10 came into ORD.


User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1448 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3367 times:



Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 11):
They were running more reliably after the D-checks, I thought. Wasn't the consensus that GAMCO did a nice job?

In any event, the bidder got a decent deal given the recent maintenance and AD compliance.

Reliability wise, they were no worse or really any better than than normal for an aircraft that age. The idea that they were notoriously unreliable is over exaggerated. There is no doubt it was susceptible to 'breaking bad' because when that aircraft broke, it really broke and was out for days usually.

Quoting FX1816 (Reply 16):
Yeah I totally understand that too, it was always confusing to me as to why ATA would have the bellies get loose loaded. Maybe a former TZ employee can help shed some light???

The main reason the L-1011s were bulk loaded was because of the AMC (military requirements). The US military does not use containers and the infrastructure necessary to keep the cargo loading system and use them anyway at all of the remote military bases would have been impractical. It was considered to place flat plates over the system to allow bulk loading, but the same issue arose with commercial operations in that the cargo container infrastructure was also considered impractical to keep. Therefore, it was removed to save weight and since the aircraft were used mostly for the military, it made sense.



35 years of American Trans Air/ATA Airlines, 1973-2008. A great little airline that will not be soon forgotten.
User currently offlineRJAF From Jordan, joined Jan 2007, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2947 times:

N-164AT is now safley in Fujairah Airport, UAE. It will soon start flying charter business with its sistership 194AT. Good luck Barq!


Chance favors the prepared mind
User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1448 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2776 times:

Does anyone know when N162AT and N163AT are scheduled to leave VCV for the Middle East? I know that 163 is tied to keeping ATA's certificate active until the bankruptcy exit and Southwest acquisition is complete in April so will probably not move until then.


35 years of American Trans Air/ATA Airlines, 1973-2008. A great little airline that will not be soon forgotten.
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