Evanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 376 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2229 times:
Apparently I have been jumping all over the DSM topics lately. However I would really like to know, in everyone's expertise, what's more likely to occur in DSM for CO...
A. CO reinstates DSM-EWR service that was pulled back in 2004-2005. I realize this is a long shot, but DL is ramping up service to LGA from one flight a day to two, so there must be some demand.
B. CO reinstates DSM-CLE service that was pulled in the Fall of 2008 after just a three month hiatus.
C. CO increases service to IAH from two flights a day to three flights a day. The morning loads out of DSM have been doing quiet well as of late and another late morning flight would do well in my opinion.
D. CO pulls all DSM service.
Just wanted to get everyone's opinion, I appreciate the responses. Happy flying...
Hiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2118 posts, RR: 4 Reply 1, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2209 times:
MasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 4720 posts, RR: 7 Reply 2, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2203 times:
In order of likelihood, C, A, B, D. As CO cozies up to UA, restoring service to CLE, which would compete with UA's ORD hub, becomes less appealing unless CLE-DSM O&D should grow enough to support the route on its own. I doubt they want to quit DSM.
Evanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 376 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2196 times:
Hiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2118 posts, RR: 4 Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2135 times:
Quoting Evanbu (Reply 3): Eagle handles the flights at DSM
and UA operated from PBI FLL and MIA...50 ua employees going out the door at MIA so that CO can groundhandle
Evanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 376 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2125 times:
Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 4): and UA operated from PBI FLL and MIA...50 ua employees going out the door at MIA so that CO can groundhandle
Are we talking about Des Moines, Iowa. Or am I just missing something?
Falcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2037 times:
Would love to see CLE-DSM reinstated. It actually had very good load factors both ways fy the time it's short run ended. I thnk CO will eventually reinstate many of the routes they axed out of CLE, and wouldn't be surprised if DSM is one of them. Perhaps in '10.
FlyingSicilian From Croatia, joined Mar 2009, 823 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2008 times:
Well, my company just bought an IAH-DSM roundtrip for the end of this month and it was just over $1000 about 300 more than my trip last quarter. An April trip was the same, with one of the flights showing oversold so there seems to be a demand;I doubt CO would ax the route.
BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 14315 posts, RR: 26 Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1968 times:
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 6): I thnk CO will eventually reinstate many of the routes they axed out of CLE,
Why? Nobody wants to expand in this economy plus building up the Cleveland hub would be counterproductive if they are in fact planning to merge with UA.
Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
Evanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 376 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1858 times:
I would really like to see EWR added. I think it deserves another look.
Evanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 376 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1811 times:
Can a Commute Air Dash Q-200 operate DSM-CLE or is that out of the range for that AC. I know the Dash does MSN-CLE...
MasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 4720 posts, RR: 7 Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1751 times:
Quoting Evanbu (Reply 10): Can a Commute Air Dash Q-200 operate DSM-CLE
CLE-DSM is 532nm, well within the Q200's 1000+nm range.
Joeljack From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 870 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 1693 times:
Quoting Evanbu (Reply 9): I would really like to see EWR added. I think it deserves another look.
Can an ERJ-145 fly DSM-EWR or does it need to be an -ER version? If it needs to be an ER, don't look for this route to start anytime soon as Continental is short on ER's.
Evanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 376 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1654 times:
I think it could work on the LRJ. It doesn't need to be on an XRJ. I saw a MKE-IAH flight the other day on the LRJ and that is blocked at close to three hours. DSM-EWR would only be blocked at around 2:45?
Joeljack From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 870 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1633 times:
Quoting Evanbu (Reply 13): I think it could work on the LRJ. It doesn't need to be on an XRJ. I saw a MKE-IAH flight the other day on the LRJ and that is blocked at close to three hours. DSM-EWR would only be blocked at around 2:45?
I know OMA-EWR requires the XRJ and that's not too much further than DSM-EWR...maybe only 100 miles or so.
Evanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 376 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1624 times:
Hmm, good point. I bet it would be fine eastbound, however westbound could be a stretch. I really want to know how the flight did originally when it started in DSM in the early 2000's....must have had a really dog crap load factor...
MOBflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1209 posts, RR: 5 Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1600 times:
Quoting Evanbu (Reply 15): Hmm, good point. I bet it would be fine eastbound, however westbound could be a stretch. I really want to know how the flight did originally when it started in DSM in the early 2000's....must have had a really dog crap load factor...
DiscoverCSG From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 781 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1595 times:
Quoting MOBflyer (Reply 16): What would loads have to do with it?
If load factor is low, weight restrictions are much easier to meet.
Evanbu From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 376 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1574 times:
No, I am talking in terms of why the service left in the first place when talking about load factors. So if DL can use a CRJ from DSM-LGA then why can CO use an LRJ to EWR from DSM. Does the CRJ have a longer range? I think it's a Com Air CRJ 100 or 200...
Falcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1485 times:
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 8): Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 6):
I thnk CO will eventually reinstate many of the routes they axed out of CLE,
Why? Nobody wants to expand in this economy plus building up the Cleveland hub would be counterproductive if they are in fact planning to merge with UA.
I said EVENTUALLY, not right now. I'm thinking '10. CO has stated it does want to re-start some of those routes that were cut last year. But usually the last routes to be added to a system will be the first to be cut when things go south financially. But OMA, OKC, TUL, LIT, SAV, DSM, were all doing very well load-wise, and will probably get a look-see again wihen conditions improve.
And there's no reason to believe CO/UA will merge, at least for several years, IMHO. The conditions just aren't right. So CO will do what it thinks best, not what it thinks will be best for UA.
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21214 posts, RR: 19 Reply 20, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1479 times:
Quoting Evanbu (Reply 18): So if DL can use a CRJ from DSM-LGA then why can CO use an LRJ to EWR from DSM. Does the CRJ have a longer range? I think it's a Com Air CRJ 100 or 200...
Not particularly. The CRJ has a usable range of about 1000 nm. The ERJ is more or less the same. Congestion at EWR might be a problem, though. If there's w/x and they need alternates, you could be looking at leaving 15 or 20 people behind; I've been aware of shorter LRJ routes (e.g. ORD-JAX on MQ) that leave 10 or 15 people behind semi-routinely during parts of the year with bad w/x, and those routes aren't going to or through especially congested airspace.
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