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NWA 757s In Storage  
User currently offlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1259 posts, RR: 6
Posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 12189 times:

I was just scouting out this photo:

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I noticed several healthy looking 752s in this photo, and I was pretty surprised. I know that aircraft can be stored for a number of reasons, but I thought they were in quite high demand with carriers all over the place, including, as a last resort, the FXs and F9s of the world. Couldn't these be put to use somewhere, for someone? Perhaps this is just temporary storage? Any more info would be appreciated.


Sic 'em bears
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User currently offlineC767P From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 893 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 12170 times:

I believe that 10 of the 757s Northwest had stored were soled to ST Citicorp, not sure how many more they have in storage.

User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4764 posts, RR: 44
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 12155 times:

High-cycle, early birds that were due for checks I believe. Sometimes cheaper to just retire them.

What I find interesting is the paint differentiation, particularly the one in the middle. Did NWA experiment with a more metallic paint and then revert to a less metallic, dull grey?



Some see lines, others see between the lines.
User currently offlineFX1816 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 12153 times:



Quoting AA777223 (Thread starter):
and F9s of the world.

I'm not sure that Frontier is interested in older 757's but I could be wrong.

FX1816


User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1630 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 12097 times:



Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 2):
Did NWA experiment with a more metallic paint and then revert to a less metallic, dull grey?

No. This was an issue they ran into by using different vendors for painting. Some of the color variations are also due to aging of the paint. This can be seen in other fleet types as well.

[Edited 2009-03-10 15:30:02]


Hey Swifty
User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4764 posts, RR: 44
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 12061 times:



Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 4):
No. This was an issue they ran into by using different vendors for painting. It isn't unique to the 757.

Cool thanks, not an NWA follower so didn't know.



Some see lines, others see between the lines.
User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1630 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 12050 times:



Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 5):
Cool thanks, not an NWA follower so didn't know.

Yeah, no problem. I must have been editing my post right as you replied, but as I said above, aging is a factor in the different colorations too.



Hey Swifty
User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 11824 times:



Quoting C767P (Reply 1):
I believe that 10 of the 757s Northwest had stored were soled to ST Citicorp, not sure how many more they have in storage.

 checkmark  He's got it. And I count 10 red tails (minus the kangaroo). There are no NW 757s stored, so the 45 others are still in service.


User currently offlineRichiemo From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 11682 times:

Was stunned as well when I first saw this photo. No 757 belongs in the desert in my opinion. Greatest bird of all time. None with more raw power and grace.

User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 11315 times:



Quoting Richiemo (Reply 8):
Was stunned as well when I first saw this photo. No 757 belongs in the desert in my opinion

Then you might have a heart attack when you realize that two of DL's 757s have already been scrapped: 601 and 606. Plus 605, 607, and 611 have been sold for parts. 3 more are stored: 612, 642, and 646.


User currently offlineWestern727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 753 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 11159 times:

Ah, memories. I've been on the -251 far more often than -232s, -223s and others. I fondly remember my first 757 flight, on ship 517 as NW578 from SEA-DTW in February 1989.

As everyone knows, all good things must come to an end.

At least I've still got a few more years to enjoy the PW2037's sounds from the front of the cabin, my favorites being idle/taxi and take-off thrust.



Jack @ AUS
User currently offline2707200X From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 8836 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10985 times:

Wow, that's a lot of good 757's being stored in the dessert.


"And all I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by." John Masefield Sea-Fever
User currently offlineFX1816 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10950 times:



Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 9):
Plus 605, 607, and 611 have been sold for parts.

607 has just started to be scrapped it was pulled up near the buildings at VCV and it is in the early stages but it is going down pretty quick. Also a side note when I was there today, in the scrapping area there is a Tradewinds 747 (N526UP) and a DL L10 and a few DL 727's meeting their fate  Sad

FX1816


User currently offlineRSW88 From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10914 times:

Sorry to threadjack, but why are these retired when I still see almost weekly a NWA 757 in the old bowling shoe paint style? Are these birds just never repainted or special editions?

User currently offlineC767P From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 893 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10887 times:



Quoting RSW88 (Reply 13):
I still see almost weekly a NWA 757 in the old bowling shoe paint style? Are these birds just never repainted or special editions?

Must be A319/320s you see, as all the 757s are in the silver or DL paint.


User currently offlineCrjfixer From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 10761 times:



Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 4):
Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 2):
Did NWA experiment with a more metallic paint and then revert to a less metallic, dull grey?

No. This was an issue they ran into by using different vendors for painting. Some of the color variations are also due to aging of the paint. This can be seen in other fleet types as well.

This paint is the most difficult i have ever had to try and spray, It is a 3 part spray, A grey base coat (not including primer), The clear/metallic coat, and a clearcoat on top.....It seems to look a bit different everytime... I have never been able to match the original a/c paint when painting say a radome or engine cowl it always seems to be slightly different...


User currently offlineNWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3408 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 10746 times:



Quoting C767P (Reply 14):
s all the 757s are in the silver or DL paint.

Are you sure about that? Even the -300's?



"Nothing ever happens here, " I said. "I just wait."
User currently offlineLat41 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 481 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10725 times:



Quoting 2707200X (Reply 11):
Wow, that's a lot of good 757's being stored in the dessert.

They must have been served a la carte before dessert!


User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10724 times:



Quoting NWAESC (Reply 16):
Are you sure about that? Even the -300's?

Yes. Only 10 A319s, 8 A320s, and 5 747-200s are not in silver paint.


User currently offlinePatches From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 296 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 10484 times:

When you say early 757's. How old are these birds sitting in the desert? Also they look so long, are any of them 300's

User currently offlineSeaBosDca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5856 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 10433 times:



Quoting Patches (Reply 19):
When you say early 757's. How old are these birds sitting in the desert?

These are birds from the mid-'80s. All within the first 150 757s built.

Quote:
Also they look so long, are any of them 300's

Nope. The -300s were all built in 2002 or later and will be serving with Delta for a *long* time.


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7567 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10284 times:



Quoting NWAESC (Reply 16):
Are you sure about that? Even the -300's?

Yes, the -300's were repainted almost immediately even though they were not due for the color change maint. wise... which I thought was odd, the one thing that really ticked me off is that management decided to take the names off of the planes with the new color scheme... like Spirit of the Northwest People, The Bernie Epple, City of Detroit, City of Tokyo, City of Shanghai... the only one with a name is the Charles Lindburgh

Quoting Patches (Reply 19):
When you say early 757's. How old are these birds sitting in the desert? Also they look so long, are any of them 300's

As said they were within the first 150 757's built all being 5500 series aircraft.



"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
User currently offlineManfredj From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10092 times:



Quoting Richiemo (Reply 8):
No 757 belongs in the desert in my opinion. Greatest bird of all time. None with more raw power and grace.

Right on! It's nice to see a fellow 757 fan who understands why this airplane is so special. Let's hope they find a new lease on life soon.



757: The last of the best
User currently offline727forever From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 794 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8824 times:



Quoting Western727 (Reply 10):
As everyone knows, all good things must come to an end.

While I agree that it is sad to see a great airplane such as the 727 or 757 go away, these birds that are being scrapped are being scrapped so that others may live on. 601, 606, and 611 were all some of the first 757s as others have mentioned. They were 1983-84 builds so getting a little long in the tooth. They also had the lower max structural weights of the earlier builds which doesn't generally cause too many problems, but does make them a little tight on weight doing a transcon west bound in the winter. They had a 224,000 lb max structural weight if I remember correctly which does get tight when you are full in the back. A ZFW of 191,000 lbs only leaves you with 33,000 lbs of fuel, not quite enough to make a transcon.

Also, these airplanes were probably coming up for a heavy check so often times when thinning the heard it is just better to send these on. Others can confirm, but I believe 642 and 646 were just due for heavy so they are in temporary storage until needed again. When needed, they will get a heavy and return to the line.

727forever



727forever
User currently offlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1259 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8695 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 21):
As said they were within the first 150 757's built all being 5500 series aircraft.

What exactly does this mean? I know lower MTOW, lower engine thrust, less efficiency, etc. But, how much exactly? Can they be upgraded? These 757 are is awfully high demand on the second hand market, after all.



Sic 'em bears
25 C5LOAD : Are there any trijet lovers still out there who cling to the cargo carriers in hopes that they will not go out any time soon?
26 Nwaesc : A lot of the early -200's were named for cities too... They took their names off as well... P.S. 5517 is my favorite (named after my hometown)...
27 SeaBosDca : It means high cycles. The aircraft are likely to be worth more as parts than as whole aircraft given their likely limited remaining life. There was a
28 Manfredj : Your in good company. The L1011 is right up there with the 757. Wonderful looking airplanes. I think the RAF will keep theirs around for a bit longer
29 Mascmo : What amazes me in that picture is that there is a Dreamlifter in the picture! What the heck is that thing doing in there???
30 KingAir200 : Evergreen, who operates the Dreamlifters, has a facility at MZJ.
31 Richiemo : Manfred, yes, we are birds of a feather. The L10 was my all time favorite, with MD 11 second. But now the 757!!! Although, the 777-300 is making a st
32 PSU.DTW.SCE : NW shed several 757's during Ch.11 in 2005/2006 and then again last year in 2008. The aircraft removed from the flight were the older 5500 series 752'
33 American 767 : That's right. Northwest was an early customer for the 757, it was the third US airline, fourth in the world, to buy this aicraft. The first three wer
34 Rw717 : My first 757 ride was in '86 from SEA to ANC on NW. I was only 14 at the time, I wonder if it is one of the retired A/C
35 Viscount724 : It was earlier than that. NW's first 757 ws delivered February 1985 (the 53rd built). They had 11 by the end of 1985. One fleet list shows the first
36 DocLightning : *groan* Worry ye lads not. These fair ladies have life in them yet, either in pax service or as cargo scows.
37 NWAESC : Thanks for saving me the trouble of typing out the list! BTW, for those keeping score at home, the numbering starts with 5501, and there is no 5510..
38 HAWK21M : The B752 will be a popular Freighter.....Let the Economy stablize again. regds MEL
39 NWAESC : By the way, NWA currently has 10 757-200's showing as "inactive." These are: 5504/5505/5506/5508/5509/5511/5512/5513/5514/5515 I am not counting 5650
40 Pilotboi : Those are the 10 sold to Citicorp. They are inactive because NW, or DL, doesn't own them anymore. Yes, 5655 is in GLH for paint. I don't think 5650 i
41 PSU.DTW.SCE : Those should be the regs on the NW 752s in the initial pictures.
42 NWAESC : I know. I just thought people would be interested in the tail numbers. Maybe. A/C get sent to SAT somewhat often; I thought it was for paint, but it
43 PSU.DTW.SCE : I can't speak for Worldflight, but sometimes "dummy aircraft" would be used for system testing & training purposes, that could be the case with those
44 KingAir200 : I saw that once and did a double take. DC-9 in AMS? Whaaaaa? We have 757 heavy maintenance done at SAT, so that's what I would guess it's there for.
45 Nwaesc : Seems plausible to me... By the way, to pull up the list, you need to do the following: Sign into WorldFlight (you need an actual sign on; "Mflight"
46 FL787 : What's the largest amount of 752s NW ever had at one time? Is it 56 a few years ago?
47 Timf : Yes, before 5524 was scrapped and the 10 listed above were sold, there were 56 -200s in the fleet. 5501-5534 (skipping 5510) are the 33 delivered in t
48 413x3 : High cycle, so sell them to companies like FedEx or DHL Europe? That doesn't make sense.
49 Patches : Cycle life? how the hell can a 20 -23 year old 757 have more cycles than some of the DC-9 junk that NW has been flying for over 35 years! Some of thos
50 KingAir200 : DC-9 junk? Ouch... Anyway, they don't have more cycles than the DC-9s, but I would guess that whatever maintenance has to be done around the particul
51 Nwaesc : ... And when you do, feel free to explain to "Patches" how being old doesn't necessarily make a plane junk.
52 HAWK21M : Safety is related to Maintenance & not Age. regds MEL
53 Patches : So than, why are 22 year old planes for NW sitting in the bone yard rusting away? I realize the almighty NW DC-9's are well maintained I know all that
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