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Wow! B6 Is Considering Joining An Alliance  
User currently offlineOta1 From Germany, joined Apr 2008, 398 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 11947 times:
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As I'm a bit in a hurry here a quote from the article linked below:

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JetBlue recently entered a strategic alliance with Irish carrier Aer Lingus that allows passengers to fly on the same ticket using both carriers' networks. It has similar partnerships with minority stake holder Lufthansa Airlines and Lufthansa-owned Swiss Airlines.

Barger also said he would consider joining a major airline cooperative, such as the Star Alliance, of which Lufthansa is a member. But Barger added he doesn't feel joining a major airline alliance is necessary to expand the carrier's footprint abroad.

So IF they really decide to join an alliance I'm pretty sure it will be Star.... interesting development though.

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User currently offlineATLFlyer323 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 11905 times:

Does Star need 4 carriers in the US?

~Brandon



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User currently offlineIliriBDL From Germany, joined May 2007, 1205 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11725 times:



Quoting ATLFlyer323 (Reply 1):
Does Star need 4 carriers in the US?

Why not? The more the better.  Wink

Plus I'm pretty sure a merger will happen down the line between either UA-CO or UA-US. So that would leave 2 big ones again as well as B6.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16817 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11712 times:



Quoting ATLFlyer323 (Reply 1):
Does Star need 4 carriers in the US?

Did Skyteam need 3?..



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User currently offlineBostonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1988 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 11358 times:

Yeah, I sould them joining Star. All of their partners have relations with *A carriers: LH/LX is already there, EI is codesharing with UA, and 9K also flies for CO. If it's not *A, then I could see them merging with VS, keeping the VS name, and starting the fourth major alliance, the Virgin Alliance!


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User currently offlineShanxz From Singapore, joined Apr 2006, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 11311 times:

I like the fact the B6 is still questioning all the assumptions about low-cost models and willing to do things differently. In fact, this is exactly what gave them a headstart in the initial years. Good to see that some airlines still have smart-thinking executives at the top!

Quoting Bostonsox (Reply 4):
If it's not *A, then I could see them merging with VS, keeping the VS name, and starting the fourth major alliance, the Virgin Alliance!

I don't foresee B6 joining the Virgin group, since Virgin America is already operational, and David Neelman (whom Branson was interested in) is already at Azul. Though, the idea of a worldwide Virgin alliance cannot be ruled out. There was a great Time magazine article on this late last year too, when V.Australia announced long-haul.



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User currently offlineThirteenRight From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 11310 times:

I think that this is a pre-cursor to a Continental-JetBlue partnership. New York City, LiveTV, etc. Seems like CO could be the big brother to JetBlue.

User currently offlineATLFlyer323 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 11101 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 3):
Did Skyteam need 3?..

I think the fact that Continental is leaving SkyTeam showed that maybe they did not. Besides, now they are down to one.

I just think after a while, having too much of one alliance starts to become counter productive. I wonder how Continental would feel about sharing NYC? Didn't they butt heads a lot with Delta in that region, and hasn't JetBlue attempted Newark before?

Just Curious,
Brandon



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16817 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 11093 times:



Quoting ATLFlyer323 (Reply 7):
Didn't they butt heads a lot with Delta in that region, and hasn't JetBlue attempted Newark before?

CO and DL were competing for international business, something B6 is not doing. Also B6 did try EWR and is still there.



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User currently offlineHPAEAA From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 11078 times:

Personally I think with UA, CO, US and B6 (if they join) would have too much market concentration in NYC - between LGA, JFK and EWR the 3 would have whopping market power (assuming ATI was granted) - don't think a democratic admin is going to approve that... I could see them joining Oneworld and getting ATI, however I suspect that's pretty remote...


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User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1988 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 10949 times:



Quoting Shanxz (Reply 5):
I don't foresee B6 joining the Virgin group, since Virgin America is already operational

I was sort-of joking in that comment. However, it is worth noting that B6 was supposed to be VX back when they were starting up and also that if the two merged it would give them hubs in SFO and LAX, which would compliment their BOS, JFK, and Florida ops on the East Coast. IAD and AUS would make good focus cities.



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User currently offlineNYC2theworld From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 662 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 10790 times:



Quoting HPAEAA (Reply 9):
Personally I think with UA, CO, US and B6 (if they join) would have too much market concentration in NYC - between LGA, JFK and EWR the 3 would have whopping market power (assuming ATI was granted) - don't think a democratic admin is going to approve that... I could see them joining Oneworld and getting ATI, however I suspect that's pretty remote...

B6 wouldn't be a party of any ATI agreement since it does not fly TATL or TPAC.



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User currently offlineHNL-Jack From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 817 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 10718 times:



Quoting HPAEAA (Reply 9):
ersonally I think with UA, CO, US and B6 (if they join) would have too much market concentration in NYC - between LGA, JFK and EWR the 3 would have whopping market power (assuming ATI was granted) - don't think a democratic admin is going to approve that...

I agree, but suppose for a moment that US is no longer a part of Star.



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User currently offlineBeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1739 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 10549 times:



Quoting IliriBDL (Reply 2):
Plus I'm pretty sure a merger will happen down the line between either UA-CO or UA-US. So that would leave 2 big ones again as well as B6.

Well what about this scenario. A CO/UA merger US going under with B6 taking up some routes and maybe the PHL hub. Basically leaving CO and B6


User currently offlineMysterzip From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10385 times:



Quoting ATLFlyer323 (Reply 7):
I just think after a while, having too much of one alliance starts to become counter productive. I wonder how Continental would feel about sharing NYC? Didn't they butt heads a lot with Delta in that region, and hasn't JetBlue attempted Newark before?

I think that CO and JetBlue are in two different markets. JetBlue's revenue can only come from low-cost operations, while CO strives to bring revenue from high-yield passengers (ie: different classes of service).

To add to this discussion, would Star Alliance even consider a low-cost carrier as a member? Oneword did not - Aer Lingus left after it became a low-cost carrier. I think that in this world as it is right now, alliances would certainly benefit that low-cost carriers can bring to major/international carriers. Think of JetBlue feeding Lufty or WestJet feeding Cathay. In my opinion, JetBlue is going into a new world (these are just examples - one real world, one not). The market of "low-cost" feeding is largely unexplored and sadly so. It saves money for carriers, is optional and has clear borders (unlike codeshares, which are entangling and are often confusing and frustrating to passengers), and it eliminates/reduces some of the worst performing planes - regional jets - and finally, increases capacity and revenue.


User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8400 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 10071 times:



Quoting Mysterzip (Reply 14):
I think that CO and JetBlue are in two different markets. JetBlue's revenue can only come from low-cost operations, while CO strives to bring revenue from high-yield passengers (ie: different classes of service).

That is not a very fair description. B6's product compares well to CO's coach class and the CO Express system, which does not have any premium class either. The markets are blurring, especially if B6 joins Star.

Quoting Mysterzip (Reply 14):
would Star Alliance even consider a low-cost carrier as a member?

They have US Airways. But it's a fair question. The most useful thing B6 can provide Star Alliance is transporting Star passengers to JFK, to fly onward on Star carriers from there. Star would like to have that.


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5446 posts, RR: 29
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 9870 times:



Quoting HNL-Jack (Reply 12):
I agree, but suppose for a moment that US is no longer a part of Star.



Quoting Beeweel15 (Reply 13):
US going under

Geez, you guys are sure not very nice to US.  Smile

-Dave



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User currently offlineNYC2theworld From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 662 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9495 times:



Quoting Flighty (Reply 15):
They have US Airways. But it's a fair question. The most useful thing B6 can provide Star Alliance is transporting Star passengers to JFK, to fly onward on Star carriers from there. Star would like to have that.

I don't think that matters. While JFK does see a lot of *A carriers, I would guess that the vast majority of their traffic is O/D, otherwise, wouldn't UA have an increased presence to connect to their *A carriers?

Plus, CO has a hub at EWR, and entering into a TATL ATI with UA/LH/AC/etc. effectively turns EWR into the *A hub for the NE.

In addition, CO having B6 down the road at JFK in *A potentially puts them back in the same position they are in with SkyTeam...That being the odd man out.



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User currently offlineUpstateDave From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 210 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9023 times:

You people are all delving into this one too deep...

These comments belong with WN's CEO Gary Kelly's regarding WN looking into smaller or larger aircraft. They spent many years investigating and considering but ultimately decided it presented too much risk. Dave Barger is, like Kelly, stating B6 is simply doing their due diligence as a business to investigate all viable options. No smart CEO doesn't consider all options for success and never rules out anything.

Here is one of the many reports outlining the comments:

"Barger also said he would CONSIDER joining a major airline cooperative, such as the Star Alliance, of which Lufthansa is a member. But Barger added he doesn't feel joining a major airline alliance is necessary to expand the carrier's footprint abroad."

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2009/...iness/NA-US-JetBlue-Conference.php

So before you get yourselfs into a tizzy about which alliance they'll join and which airline will lose out, do your homework. This isn't happening tomorrow, if it ever happens. By the time their analysis is complete, should they choose to actually join an alliance, the landscape will have changed so much that idle speculation about the effects of their membership are nonsensical.

-Dave



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User currently offlineJFK787NYC From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8922 times:

First Off.....I don't think Continental cares very much about there domestic feed in NYC. It is not like JetBlue will be planning on expanding Internationally.

I for one would love to see JetBlue join Star Alliance it would complement the NYC area totally.


User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4336 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8873 times:

I highly doubt B6 would join one of the global airline marketing alliances because it would add layers of complexity and expense to its operation for comparatively little revenue upside.

However, B6 is an excellent candidate for pursuing bilateral codeshares and interlining agreements with international carriers that can feed its flights at JFK. I expect B6 to go this route, with a tacit understanding that it will NOT get involved with airlines that directly compete with or seek to undercut Lufthansa.



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8277 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8724 times:
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Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 10):
I was sort-of joking in that comment. However, it is worth noting that B6 was supposed to be VX back when they were starting up and also that if the two merged it would give them hubs in SFO and LAX, which would compliment their BOS, JFK, and Florida ops on the East Coast. IAD and AUS would make good focus cities.

Why can't we in the USA have our own Virgin Blue like the Aussie's. Jet Blue A320's with First Class and Virgin standards sound great to me. JFK to Florida with Virgin would be fun.


User currently offlineATLFlyer323 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7862 times:



Quoting Mysterzip (Reply 14):
I think that CO and JetBlue are in two different markets. JetBlue's revenue can only come from low-cost operations, while CO strives to bring revenue from high-yield passengers (ie: different classes of service).

JetBlue offers the same if not better product than Continental if you ask me. I don't think Star would have a problem with JetBlue, they don't mind US Airways! (US is getting better though in their defense)

~Brandon



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User currently offlineJQFlightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 945 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7736 times:

well if StarAlliance have British Midland (nothing against BD, its my prefered carrier when in uk/eu) they shouldnt have a problem with JetBlue.....


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User currently offlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1232 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7007 times:



Quoting ATLFlyer323 (Reply 7):

I think the fact that Continental is leaving SkyTeam showed that maybe they did not. Besides, now they are down to one.

This is the same as One World, an alliance unquestionably least like the other two. I have often been fascinated by their model, however. Instead on many smaller airlines, and a few large ones, OW is composed primarily of select flag carriers with a few lesser significant carriers (i.e. RJ and Malev). The flag carriers they choose are generally major forces on the continents they serve, like: AA, BA, QF, CX, etc.



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25 Seemyseems : I hope its SkyTeam... but it most probably is Star, and yes SkyTeam did need 3 carriers .
26 Gsosbee : It will be Star unless B6 can find cash to buy out LH.
27 N623JB : I think jetBlue joining Star Alliance would be a good idea..and it should count as a "Global" airline..with of course future plans to go overseas with
28 Flighty : I would suggest the profits from connections are very useful, but no, they would not justify an entire domestic hub for UA at JFK going aginst Delta.
29 HPAEAA : if they codeshare on TATL or TPAC don't they need it? (ignorance here)
30 DesertAir : I would like to suggest the Jet Blue form its own alliance with Air Tran and Frontier.
31 N623JB : That doesnt sound bad...but..i think jetBlue should go international too...with Lufthansa and Aer Lingus...JetBlue is a model airline for the other a
32 American 767 : Aer Lingus is not gonna join Star, because they are at the standards of a low cost carrier, that's why they left One World. They didn't leave One Wor
33 N623JB : oh ok..thats true..maybe..create their own alliance then..that sounds like a good idea..relationships with other airlines and partnerships with other
34 BOStonsox : Now I've heard differently. I thought it was mostly because they didn't want to go through the hassle of linking their computer systems when JAL ente
35 Richierich : Here's to throwing more ingredients into the pot: JetBlue is investing heavily in a new reservations/booking system that should be online within the n
36 N623JB : I think its great..they should look at the possibility of becoming a major airline..like from Low Cost Carrier to Major carrier like Delta is...but of
37 Icebird757 : I don't see that happening at all and I also don't see us joining an alliance anytime soon. Barger has stated that he feels the best course for the c
38 BOStonsox : Well, again I wasn't serious about Virgin and such a merger would in fact be almost impossible. Still, B6 hasn't done well on the West Coast and if V
39 Icebird757 : Well we have not done as well as we would like but when something like 2/3 of people in US live on the east coast, it makes a difference. I could see
40 N623JB : On the topic of the Bluecities, what other long haul routes would jetBlue take?(Latin America routes)
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