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User currently offlineWannabe From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 677 posts, RR: 3
Posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 45179 times:

Can anyone tell me about how many flights cross the Atlantic between North America and Europe every day, both directions? I am helping my daughter with a math analysis project for homework, and she is looking at air safety in overseas travel.

Thanks in advance.

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User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 44861 times:

Before Open Skies in March last year there were 385 flights per day in each direction and 235 nonstop city-pairs served by 45 airlines comprising eight from the US, 26 from the EU and 11 other, according to AEA.

Source

There has been a previous thread on the topic but this is out of date since it was posted in 2005. However with the global downturn and services scaled back this might give some rough indications.

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/2139637/

I am sure there are up to date statistics somewhere on the web and maybe another a.netter might be able to point you in the right direction.



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User currently onlineAircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1711 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 44805 times:

Does North America include Canada and Mexico? This article from Air Transport World talks about fligths from the USA only.

edit: By the way, the 2005 thread does just the same, in spite of the very content of the question...

It's not easy to exist beside such a big neighbour!

[Edited 2009-03-12 13:21:59]

User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 44680 times:



Quoting Aircellist (Reply 2):

It's not easy to exist beside such a big neighbour!

I thought you were bigger...?  Smile


User currently onlineAircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1711 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 44531 times:

Larger, yes.

Bigger? ahem...


User currently offlineGhYHZ From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 252 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 44433 times:

And since most flights are overnight eastbound.......anyone care to speculate how many people are "up there" over the North Atlantic at midnignt on a typical evening?

Probably a similar number westbound at noon.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24891 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 44323 times:

I recall a recent article on air traffic control procedures on the North Atlantic. It mentioned that approximately 1,000 flights cross the Atlantic every day. The total was something over 400,000 flights a year. That includes all types of flights -- airline, corporate, private, military etc. But the vast majority are airline flights.

User currently offlineKennyK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 482 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 44008 times:

Looks like a nice market for the A380-10000, a 10,000 seater for just a few city pairs like LHR-NY.

User currently offlineThestooges From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 43789 times:

This is always a hard question to answer because should it refer to just flights from the USA to Europe or from North America to Europe. And what does North America mean, should it mean just Canada, the US and Mexico or should it include all of Central America as well as the Carribean which would be more geographically correct? Central America is definitely part of the North American continent but many people don't really see it as such. Would you consider Bermuda to be part of North America, what about Triunidad and Tobago ? And then for Europe, how do you define that, would you include Morocco, its very close indeed, sure its part of Africa, but its a lot closer to Malaga in Spain than Dakar in Senegal ?Flights from North America to the Middle East are of a very similar nature especially to Amman and Tel Aviv, should they be included as well ?

But then maybe the question should be about trans-atlantic flights, which would then of course include flights between South America and Europe and then all flights from North America to the Middle East and Africa. But then how would you define a flight like ORD to DEL, which doesnt really end up flying over the Atlantic anyway, but more over the North Pole ?


User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3097 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 43606 times:



Quoting Thestooges (Reply 8):
This is always a hard question to answer because should it refer to just flights from the USA to Europe or from North America to Europe. And what does North America mean, should it mean just Canada, the US and Mexico or should it include all of Central America as well as the Carribean which would be more geographically correct? Central America is definitely part of the North American continent but many people don't really see it as such. Would you consider Bermuda to be part of North America, what about Triunidad and Tobago ? And then for Europe, how do you define that, would you include Morocco, its very close indeed, sure its part of Africa, but its a lot closer to Malaga in Spain than Dakar in Senegal ?Flights from North America to the Middle East are of a very similar nature especially to Amman and Tel Aviv, should they be included as well ?

Now this is getting more and more similar to the agony felt by a lot of people (inculding me) when N.Americans tend to refer to countries in the Far East as "Asian" countries, completely ignoring the existence of the India sub-continent and the 'Middle East, which are as much Asia as are China, the Koreas, Thailand and other countries in the FE which are normally referred as "Asia" by the average N.American......it's a matter of usage and common acceptance of a term in different parts of the world....


User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 43196 times:

That is also the case when some Americans consider states like Ohio to be in the "Mid West" United States. Those of us in Colorado and Kansas consider ourselves to be in the Mid West.


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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7399 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 42776 times:



Quoting Thestooges (Reply 8):
This is always a hard question to answer because should it refer to just flights from the USA to Europe or from North America to Europe. And what does North America mean

And what does "Europe" include? Does it include the flights to BOS, JFK. MSP, YHZ and YYZ flown from Iceland and are there any flights from Greenland to "North America"?


User currently offlineRobertS975 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 937 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 42540 times:
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Quoting VV701 (Reply 11):
And what does "Europe" include? Does it include the flights to BOS, JFK. MSP, YHZ and YYZ flown from Iceland and are there any flights from Greenland to "North America"?

Greenlandair used to fly a 757 to BWI... not sure they still operate the route.


User currently onlineAircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1711 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 42360 times:

It seems nobody can answer this question yet. How about doing it "by hand", a little bit at a time?

Here are the flights from my home airport, YUL, to Europe, today, sunday march 15th:

LX 87 to ZRH A332

KL 672 to AMS M11

AT 207 to CAS 763

BA 94 to LHR 772

AC 864 to LHR 333
AC 874 to FRA 77W
AC 870 to CDG 77W

AF 345 to CDG 744
AF 347 to CDG 773

TS 710 to CDG 332 or 333

So, for a winter sunday, 10 flights across North Atlantic from YUL, to six cities, on six airlines.


User currently offlineKU747 From Kuwait, joined Mar 2008, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 42107 times:



Quoting Aircellist (Reply 13):
It seems nobody can answer this question yet.

Indeed, I thought I would see the answer for this question by now.

Well, lets make it harder, How about the total flights per day between the Americas (north and south) and Europe, Africa and the Middle East, in other words all flights that crosses the Atlantic??? and cross the Pacific???

That would be interesting to know.



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User currently offlineReadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3191 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 42052 times:

A while back someone posted an animated map of the world showing all movements over a 24 hr period, really cool. Now if it could be posted again all you would have to do is count the dots.  Big grin


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User currently offlineCobra27 From Slovenia, joined May 2001, 1009 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 41822 times:

I may be wrong, but I think I heard somewhere that around 1000 flights with around 200000 pax.
The majority in London


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7399 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 41549 times:



Quoting Aircellist (Reply 13):
It seems nobody can answer this question yet.

It's answerable but unless someone has already done the research it is a major, very time consuming research project. You first need to define both 'North America' and 'Europe' as previously discussed. You then need to recognise that every day of the week is different with many flights operating 6 or 5 days a week and that the 'missing days' are by no means always a Saturday and/or a Sunday. And there are many flights with lower weekly frequencies. Of course you can ignore this variability which may mean the end number does not reflect the actual situation on any day of the week.

As an example BA has up to 47 flights a day from LON to a total of 24 different destinations in 'North America' (as I would define it in response to the stated reason for asking this question). These flights are from LON to:

ATL , BDA, BOS, BWI, DEN, DFW, EWR, IAD, IAH, JFK, LAX, MEX (just 3 times a week), MCO, MIA, NAS, ORD, PHL, PHX, SEA, SFO, YUL, YVR, YYC and YYC.

As you will see I have not included flights to the Caribbean that some others might include, but I have included the Bahamas, Bermuda and Mexico that some others might exclude.

Recognising the thread starter's reasons for asking this question, it is my view that MEX certainly needs to be included as the LON-MEX great circle route crosses Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, the eastern seaboard of New England and quite a large slice of south east USA crossing the Gulf of Mexico coast probably somewhere closer to Mobile than New Orleans.

The routing of aircraft flying to the Bahamas is to the south and east of most flights bound for continental North America. But nevertheless a BA LON-NAS flight is likely to travel a very similar routing to a BA LON-MIA flight close to or over the USA's eastern seaboard.

Flights to BDA will be still further to the south and east. But it seems to me that Bermuda is neither part of Central or South America so I have included it in 'North America'.

Extending the analysis further requires similar decisions on what constitutes 'Europe' and whether or not to include flights crossing the North Atlantic that originated to the east of Europe. The most important of these numerically is almost certainly flights between the USA and TLV.


User currently offlineGBan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 41488 times:



Quoting Readytotaxi (Reply 15):
A while back someone posted an animated map of the world showing all movements over a 24 hr period, really cool. Now if it could be posted again all you would have to do is count the dots.

This is the link to download a *A screensaver showing all *A flights:

http://www.staralliance.com/en/trave...rs/tools_services/screensaver.html

Happy counting!


User currently offlineYXD172 From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 41401 times:

Well, I'll try some of it by hand... Weekly flights from Canada:
YYZ -- 132 to Europe, 9 to India/UAE
YUL -- 75 to Europe, 8 to Africa
YQB -- 2 to Europe
YOW -- 10 to Europe
YHZ -- 4 to Europe
YEG -- 4 to Europe
YYC -- 27 to Europe
YVR -- 27 to Europe

Total from Canada: 281 to Europe, 8 to Africa, 9 to India and UAE

From the AmEx Skyguide, all for the end of February. I could try to get Mexico and the U.S. later but it might take a while.



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User currently onlineAM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1773 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 41381 times:



Quoting VV701 (Reply 17):
Recognising the thread starter's reasons for asking this question, it is my view that MEX certainly needs to be included as the LON-MEX great circle route crosses Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, the eastern seaboard of New England and quite a large slice of south east USA crossing the Gulf of Mexico coast probably somewhere closer to Mobile than New Orleans.

I have to second that. For the purposes of your research, MEX-Europe flights join the US-Canada to Europe flightpaths somewhere over the Canadian Maritimes. There are at least 6 MEX-Europe flights every day:

MEX-MAD 3 daily
MEX-CDG 2 daily
MEX-LHR Almost daily if adding BA and MX frequencies
MEX-AMS 1 daily

and additional, non daily frequencies to MAD, CDG, FCO and BCN


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4393 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 41239 times:

From Colombia, Venezuela and Ecuador:

BOG-MAD 1xAV 10xw IB 3xw Air Comet
BOG-BCN 4xw AV
BOG-CDG 1x AF
CLO-MAD 6xw AV
CCS-MAD 1x IB
CCS-FRA 1x LH
CCS-LIS 6xw TP
CCS-OPO 1xw TP
CCS-CDG 1x AF
CCS-FCO 4/5xw? AZ
UIO-GYE-MAD 1x IB
UIO-GYE-BON-AMS 1x KL
GYE-MAD 1x LP
plus charters to PMV

Don´t know if im missing any.



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User currently offlineThule From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 41176 times:



Quoting RobertS975 (Reply 12):

GL cancelled weekly BWI to SFJ service after Summer 2007, citing financial reasons and "poor performance" despite full flights and despite the fact that GL recently posted a considerable profit, no doubt helped by its huge airfares and subsidies it gets from the Danish and Greenlandic governments.

7F operated weekly flights from YFB to SFJ until... 2006, I believe? Though Inuit politicians continue to lobby for its reinstatement due to the link's symbolic importance for the Canadian and Greenlandic Inuit.

There are also a few summer flights on Air Iceland from Iceland to destinations in Greenland.

Just wanted to clear this up, though I'm not sure it helps the topic much. I don't think we'll ever decide on whether Greenland counts as North America (which it is geologically) or Europe (which it is politically). It's up to you what counts as a trans-Atlantic flight and what doesn't when dealing with Greenland and Iceland.


User currently offlineAlexEU From Serbia, joined Oct 2007, 1817 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 41115 times:

We had a thread about what aircrafts, airlines and airports are used on transatlantic flights.
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...general_aviation/read.main/4039846
It could be updated on this thread!

We should use the Caribbean and Central America as well, but not Middle East.


User currently offlineGrimey From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 449 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 41047 times:



Quoting Readytotaxi (Reply 15):
A while back someone posted an animated map of the world showing all movements over a 24 hr period, really cool. Now if it could be posted again all you would have to do is count the dots

I have a download of that video on my computer, how do I get a Windows media file up on this thing? I have heard before that it is something like 900 flights across the atlantic each day, I think there was a programme on RTE about the air traffic control at SNN before and I think it mentioned something like 900 flights.

Quoting GhYHZ (Reply 5):
And since most flights are overnight eastbound.......anyone care to speculate how many people are "up there" over the North Atlantic at midnignt on a typical evening?

Well 900 flights going eastwards, that would be nearly 200,000 people overnight (taking say 220 people on an average per aircraft)

When I leave my house in the morning during the summer, I travel eastwards towards Dublin city and all I see in the sky is all the contrails, sometimes I can see the aircraft clearly enough to see if its a BA or VS heading for England.

Grimey


25 Virginblue4 : Flights from JFK - Europe, Africas, India and Middle East for today (Monday 16th March 2009) This is all from flightstats so apolgies if it is wrong!
26 Viscount724 : It would be very easy if someone had access to the OAG MAX database of all flights worldwide which is updated continuously. It's widely used by airli
27 PHKLM : Coming summer there are 6977 weekly departures loaded into the world's schedules. This means that there are 3488 return-flights. On average, that mean
28 Cloudyapple : Where you should have looked is our monthly traffic press release. NATS handled 24317 transatlantic flights in January 2009. That is 784 per day or 3
29 Virginblue4 : Thanks very much this will come in handy! Jordan
30 Cloudyapple : February's figures came in even lower: February 2009 (2008) Total Transatlantic Flights 21752 (24601) -11.6% Average Daily Transatlantic Flights 777 (
31 Lightsaber : Thank you for providing the numbers. What is the online link? That looks like data I'd love to look at as its released. But down 8.4% on the average
32 Post contains links Cloudyapple : We publish traffic figures monthly and can be accessed via the link below. Simply add the numbers for transatlantic arrivals and departures and trans
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