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Helicopter With 18 Aboard Crashes In Atlantic  
User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1416 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 13698 times:



Quote:

ST. JOHN'S, Newfoundland (AP) — A helicopter heading to the Hibernia offshore oil platform carrying 18 people has ditched in the Atlantic Ocean off Newfoundland.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...LGh9erdgw7Ijp_w5NEGJJyg-wD96SHEDO1

Anybody knows more information? Source says its fairly strong winds.


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User currently offlineDiesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1638 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 13669 times:

Cougar Helicopters seem to be the operator

http://www.cougar.ca/

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundlan...009/03/12/offshore-helicopter.html

Looking at the types they operate, then it may appear to be a Sikorsky S-92 that has ditched - a fairly recent addition to their fleet

[Edited 2009-03-12 07:39:56]


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User currently offlineVoodoo From Niue, joined Mar 2001, 2091 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 13546 times:

The local St. Johns newspaper site has more info.....
1 survivor in hospital already...
http://www.thetelegram.com/



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User currently offlineAC_B777 From Canada, joined Aug 2000, 809 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 13353 times:

News conferance to be held shortly.
Here is the flight path of the helicopter:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CHI91
Mayday was sent 9:18 NLT and a/c ditched around 10:00am. You can see to the southeast where the a/c turned around to return to YYT and where it ditched.

Quoting Diesel1 (Reply 1):
Looking at the types they operate, then it may appear to be a Sikorsky S-92 that has ditched - a fairly recent addition to their fleet

Correct. That's the only a/c type they have based out of YYT. They actually had 2 new S-92's delivered here two weeks ago by AN-124.



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User currently offlineRadarbeam From Canada, joined Mar 2002, 1310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13077 times:

Update: SAR retrieved 2 empty life rafts.

http://www.thetelegram.com/index.cfm?sid=231240&sc=79

Not good...


User currently offlineScotland1979 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 548 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 12987 times:
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Other site http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...ash_090312/20090312?hub=TopStories

My heart goes to them



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User currently offlineDUALRATED From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1001 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12626 times:

Second loss of an S-92 I would think, I wonder if we will ever find out what happend.

[Edited 2009-03-12 11:42:33]

[Edited 2009-03-12 11:43:23]


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User currently offlineFoxXray From France, joined May 2005, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10901 times:

Another bad news !
My thought goes to the victims and their family...

Quoting DUALRATED (Reply 6):
Second loss of an S-92 I would think, I wonder if we will ever find out what happend.

the S92 are CVR/FDR equiped. I hope the helo did not sink to deep so they can recover them.


User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5498 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10729 times:

Scary stuff. RIP to the victims. Shell had a S-76 C++ go down in January on it's way to a rig in the gulf.

User currently offlineSASD209 From British Indian Ocean Territory, joined Oct 2007, 642 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 10267 times:

Quoting Dazed767 (Reply 8):
Shell had a S-76 C++ go down in January on it's way to a rig in the gulf.

You mean the PHI S-76 crash on 4 Jan, as referenced here, correct?

"PHI S-76 crash - looks like birdstrike after all"

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/un...hi-s-76-crash---looks-like-bi.html

[Edited 2009-03-12 16:26:36]

[Edited 2009-03-12 16:27:14]

User currently offlineStasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3283 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 10112 times:



Quoting FoxXray (Reply 7):
I hope the helo did not sink to deep so they can recover them.

According to news reports, the ocean is 140 meters deep at the crash site. Weather seems to have been very nasty and sea conditions are quite rough; the last visual on the helo was from a commuter airplane that reported the helo was upside down in the water and then went under within minutes.

RIP to those lost in the crash and Godspeed to the rescue teams out searching for any survivors in the North Atlantic...



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User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5498 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 10017 times:



Quoting SASD209 (Reply 9):
ou mean the PHI S-76 crash on 4 Jan

Yeah that was it. Didn't know it was a bird strike, had a friend of mine who flies out routinely on them tell me about it after it happened.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25652 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 10006 times:

Initial summary from the Transport Canada occurence reporting site.

CHI91, S92, enroute from St. John’s (CYYT) to the Hibernia Oil Platform at 12:15Z, declared MAYDAY due to a main gear box oil pressure problem and requested to return to St. John’s. Air Traffic Control cleared the flight as requested. At 12:25Z aircraft ditched at position 472605N515658W.


User currently offlineDUALRATED From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1001 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9514 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 12):
due to a main gear box oil pressure problem

Which ends up as a trans failure.....not good. Two engines are great, but unlike an airplane helicopters only have one transmission to spin the blades!

Quoting Dazed767 (Reply 8):
Scary stuff. RIP to the victims. Shell had a S-76 C++ go down in January on it's way to a rig in the gulf.



Quoting SASD209 (Reply 9):
You mean the PHI S-76 crash on 4 Jan, as referenced here, correct?

Your both right ...

Quoting FoxXray (Reply 7):
the S92 are CVR/FDR equiped. I hope the helo did not sink to deep so they can recover them.

Yes but that area is tough on recovery efforts. Not in the same place I know but it reminds me of the Swissair crash I remember it was a tough recovery process however I do believe they recovered CVR/FDR boxes.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25652 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9389 times:



Quoting DUALRATED (Reply 13):
Not in the same place I know but it reminds me of the Swissair crash I remember it was a tough recovery process however I do believe they recovered CVR/FDR boxes.

Yes they did. Photos below may be of interest.
http://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/medias-medi...A98H0003/vol-flight/vol-flight.asp


User currently offlineDUALRATED From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1001 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9330 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 14):
Photos below may be of interest.

Incredible! Hopefully they will be able to do the same in this case.



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User currently offlineSASD209 From British Indian Ocean Territory, joined Oct 2007, 642 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9181 times:

Quoting DUALRATED (Reply 13):
Your both right ...

Oh, could you provide a link to the Shell S-76 crash in Jan 09 as I've not heard of it.

[Edited 2009-03-12 19:36:16]

User currently offlineDUALRATED From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1001 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8770 times:

Quoting SASD209 (Reply 16):
Oh, could you provide a link to the Shell S-76 crash in Jan 09 as I've not heard of it.

The PHI aircraft was flying for Shell, thats why I said your both right  



http://r-cdn.dashdigital.com/tcproje...es/110/rotorwing200902_0030_fg.png

[Edited 2009-03-12 20:53:28]


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User currently offlineSASD209 From British Indian Ocean Territory, joined Oct 2007, 642 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8469 times:

Ahh, Ok, so a (presumed) Southwest flight flying a charter for the New York Yankees which has a mishap can be referred to as a "New York Yankees 737-700 landing gear problem" and we will all have no problem with that? Not likely.

Sorry, I am after accuracy here. The PHI flight may have been a Shell charter flight, or it may have been carrying Shell employees, or both. The A/C was owned and operated by PHI for the flight, and the FAA and NTSB refer to as a PHI owned and operated aircraft. Let's stay as accurate as we can be here. Sorry to nitpick, but your statement is not accurate.

SASD209

[Edited 2009-03-12 22:11:23]

User currently offlineStasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3283 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8092 times:

None of the missing have been found, while 2 life rafts that were located were found empty. Very sad news.

"Two liferafts from the ditched helicopter were retrieved, however, no one was in either of them.
Cougar is the company contracted to transport workers to and from the Hibernia, Terra Nova and White Rose oilfields off the east coast of Newfoundland.

According to the Cougar Helicopters website, the company commenced operations in Newfoundland in June 1997 with its first offshore flight to the Hibernia platform. Cougar's primary role is the transfer of personnel to and from their offshore location. From its base in Newfoundland Cougar operates a fleet of three Sikorsky S-92 aircraft."

Source: http://www.thetelegram.com/index.cfm?sid=231363&sc=79



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User currently offlineDUALRATED From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1001 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5676 times:



Quoting SASD209 (Reply 18):
Ahh, Ok, so a (presumed) Southwest flight flying a charter for the New York Yankees which has a mishap can be referred to as a "New York Yankees 737-700 landing gear problem" and we will all have no problem with that?

Well A Colgan Air Dash 8 got a whole lot of bad Continental press... must be that giant CO logo on it.

Quoting SASD209 (Reply 18):
Let's stay as accurate as we can be here.

And they call me anal.  Wow!

Quoting StasisLAX (Reply 19):
None of the missing have been found, while 2 life rafts that were located were found empty. Very sad news.

Very sad indeed.  Sad



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User currently offlineStasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3283 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5402 times:

Latest news from the St. John's Telegram website:

"A helicopter that crashed in the ocean while carrying 18 crew and workers to offshore oil platforms off Newfoundland will be raised from the ocean floor, investigators said today.
Mike Cunningham, lead investigator for the Transportation Safety Board, said the recovery of the downed chopper from 120 metres of water on the Grand Banks could take about a week.
“We don’t know a lot about what we’ll be facing,” he said during a news conference. “We want to do it safely and we want to do it as quickly as possible.”

“This helicopter is full of water now, so it’s quite heavy and it’s not designed to be lifted full of water. It’s designed to fly through the air.”

Ships and aircraft continued to scour the ocean Friday for 16 people still missing from the crash a day earlier. Officials said the search would continue until nightfall before a decision is made on whether to continue.

“We’ll continue until there is no chance of locating any survivors,” said Maj. Denis McGuire of the Joint Rescue Co-ordination Centre told another news conference."

Source: http://www.thetelegram.com/index.cfm?sid=231664&sc=79

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User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5384 times:



Quoting DUALRATED (Reply 13):
Which ends up as a trans failure.....not good. Two engines are great, but unlike an airplane helicopters only have one transmission to spin the blades!

Is that correct on the coaxial helos like Ka-226?


User currently offlineLarshjort From Denmark, joined Dec 2007, 1486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5343 times:



Quoting Alessandro (Reply 22):

Is that correct on the coaxial helos like Ka-226?

AFAIK yes, every source I can find is talking about one gearbox. And I believe designing it with two gearboxes would mean too much unnecessary weight and make it too complicated. Both engines must be able to turn both rotors in an engine out situation.

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User currently offlineDUALRATED From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1001 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5248 times:



Quoting Alessandro (Reply 22):
Is that correct on the coaxial helos like Ka-226?

I am not too familiar with the Ka-226, but the best way to look at it is each rotor system has only one gearbox. loose the gearbox due too internal failure and you loose flight....very bad situation.



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25 Post contains links StasisLAX : SAR operations have changed over to a recovery operation for the 14 missing passengers and 2 crewmembers of the Cougar helo as of 7:30pm local time ac
26 Post contains links and images YVRLTN : If the CADORS report is correct, year of manufacture is 2006 which makes aircraft in question C-GMCH. Australia issued an airworthiness directive, Im
27 Alessandro : Bodies and helicopter found at 120 meters depth, 2 bodies recovered, the survivor was part of the helicopter crew.
28 Post contains links AC_B777 : Negative, he was a worker on one of the rigs (not sure which one or his exact occupation) but he was not one of the pilots. His name is Robert Decker
29 Rdhamr309 : He was an iceberg spotter watching bergs that can pose a threat to oil platforms
30 Post contains links StasisLAX : Recovery of the crash victims has begun according the St. John's Telegram: The Transportation Safety Board expects to recover the remaining bodies fro
31 Post contains links AC_B777 : The final seven bodies were recovered yesterday and returned to St. John's early this morning. A big relief that everyone has been found and can be re
32 DUALRATED : Anyone know if the aircraft floats were deployed, I imagine not since the aircraft sank. Which leads me to believe what ever happened, it was very sud
33 Post contains links YVRLTN : Registration is C-GZCH Good source of information and latest news reports here. http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=51456&start=50
34 Heathrow : this has been all over RDI (Radio Canada), and also tv5. My heart goes out to the famillies of those who have lost someone close to them. R.I.P.
35 Post contains links StasisLAX : The CVR and FDR boxes have both been recovered from the Cougar helo "Investigators said Tuesday afternoon they had recovered the cockpit voice and fli
36 Alessandro : OK, should´ve quoted the Swedish media whom said so. Good that all onboard was found, may their souls rest in peace.
37 Post contains links Pinsent : Quote from http://www.vocm.com Mounting Studs On Gearbox To Be Changed: FAA - Mar 20, 2009 Mounting studs on every gearbox on Sikorsky S-92 aircraft h
38 Post contains links AC_B777 : The media was shown the wreckage of the helicopter and given new details about the crash. The helicopter landed on it's belly with a slight nose-up at
39 Post contains links StasisLAX : From St. John's "The Telegram" newspaper website: "Officials with the Transportation Safety Board confirmed today that a bolt in the main gearbox fail
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