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AirAsia First Flight London KUL, Incl Flight Sim  
User currently offlineSkippy777 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2001, 816 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 8267 times:

The first flight from AirAsia from London to Kuala Lumpur started

There are some great photo's of the first flight here http://www.persfoto.com/categories.php?cat_id=499 and http://www.persfoto.com/categories.php?cat_id=498

Also from the Flight Sims in Kuala Lumpur.
AirAsia got 6 of them

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User currently offlineSkippy777 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2001, 816 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 8055 times:

You can double click the photo's for a largers size.
I hope they soon have more 340-300 's
Does anyone know if there are more ex air canada's 340's are coming?


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7714 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8041 times:

Quoting Skippy777 (Thread starter):
The first flight from AirAsia from London to Kuala Lumpur started

It sure did. Here was the first arrival from KUL at STN.



Any predictions for how long the service will last?

[Edited 2009-03-12 14:16:55]

[Edited 2009-03-12 14:17:46]


✈ Every strike of the hammer is a blow against the enemy. ✈
User currently offlineSkippy777 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2001, 816 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7985 times:

I was there on the flight back from Stansted and had to say, I likesd the service.
Cheap Tickets and the price of the food is very cheap for us in Europe

I think this one will last
Perfect concept, and great seats in XL class


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7714 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7911 times:



Quoting Skippy777 (Reply 3):
I think this one will last
Perfect concept, and great seats in XL class

I'm really glad your impressions were favourable. The question is whether the market is there for the service to be sustainable in the longterm.

If you don't mind me asking, how much did you pay for the flight?



✈ Every strike of the hammer is a blow against the enemy. ✈
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19243 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7865 times:



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 4):
The question is whether the market is there for the service to be sustainable in the longterm.

Yes, I expect it will perform well and that frequencies will be increased.

Don't forget that D7's CEO has stated many, many times that all D7's routes would not be sustainable but for the feed offered by AK (there are no official connections, so passengers must self-connect, which means D7 does not incur the costs, complexities and responsibilities of connecting passengers and baggage) so a good amount of passengers will be connecting elsewhere. We, for example, will be connecting to/from SIN.

D7 is profitable and expects to quadruple that by the FY ending 2009.

D7 develops routes not in direct competition with another airline (such as OOL, STN, TSN, HGH) or, if so, with as few airlines as possible (such as MEL, PER).

D7 is very keen to get a major cost differential over MH, and is achieving this through, for example, improving aircraft and floorspace utilisation (in terms of the former, it explains why it has different flight times for STN on most days, so aircraft aren't sitting around; this is also positive consequence of not operating a hub-and-spoke network), labour productivity, often serving alternative airports (such as HGH for Shanghai area, TSN for Beijing area), eliminating inclusive components (such as refreshments and baggage, and IFE on STN) and turning those cost centres into revenue generators, and so on.

I am looking forward to flying it in June.

We will have to see how it performs, but I expect it to do well.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineSkippy777 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2001, 816 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7721 times:

@ rusian Yet I paid about 1400 euro's return in the Business Class
So not bad I would say


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19243 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7214 times:

Decent article from the excellent anna.aero: http://www.anna.aero/2009/03/13/aira...g-haul-flights-to-london-stansted/


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1517 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6800 times:



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 4):
The question is whether the market is there for the service to be sustainable in the longterm.

The market between the UK and SE Asia is very tough right now. The UK, Malaysia and S'pore are all in recession and most of not all main carriers plying this route have special offers of one sort or another.

It means that Air Asia's fares are not attractive at all by the time you factor in the costs of baggage, check, meals etc and the fact that, if making a connection, you cannot through check.

To give you some idea of the competition, look at the 5-day seat sale which Qantas is currently offering in the UK market.

It is valid for return travel between mid-April and mid-June and a stopover is allowed.

The prices are incredibly low and I found there was availability when I checked.

Qantas is charging GBP399 for SIN (non-stop) with seven Australian cities (Perth, Melbourne, Adelaide, Sydney, Cairns, Brisbane and Darwain) all priced at a flat GBP499.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 5):
We, for example, will be connecting to/from SIN.

I wonder how much your STN-KUL-SIN return cost ?


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19243 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6794 times:



Quoting LondonCity (Reply 8):
I wonder how much your STN-KUL-SIN return cost ?

£198.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19243 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6681 times:



Quoting LondonCity (Reply 8):
Qantas is charging GBP399 for SIN (non-stop)

Also offering HKG for £355.10, but I have done a brief search on two other websites and found the same QF flights for £329.10 (on Opodo). Not bad, eh?  Wink



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1517 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6619 times:



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 9):
£198.

I would say it's practically impossible to find that Air Asia price (GBP198 rtn) now if you want to travel within the next few months.


User currently offlineAirNz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6589 times:



Quoting LondonCity (Reply 8):
It means that Air Asia's fares are not attractive at all by the time you factor in the costs of baggage, check, meals etc and the fact that, if making a connection, you cannot through check.

Similar argument to the usual on here about LCC's.......yet they carry tens of millions of passengers every year, including beating BA. Funny how that is!


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40008 posts, RR: 74
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6576 times:



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 2):
Here was the first arrival from KUL at STN.

The 2nd. & 3rd. on the left.  yes   Wink





Any chance that AirAsia fly to SFO?



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineMHG From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 789 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6521 times:



Quoting AirNz (Reply 12):
Any chance that AirAsia fly to SFO?

Don´t think so !

Main focus is on Europe at the moment.
The next destinations to be expected are in Germany/France/Italy



I miss the sound of rolls royce darts and speys
User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1517 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6422 times:



Quoting AirNz (Reply 12):
Similar argument to the usual on here about LCC's.......yet they carry tens of millions of passengers every year, including beating BA. Funny how that is!

Different markets.

BA has been slimming down its short-haul network in recent years to concentrate on long-haul services.

There are very few routes where LCCs competes head-to-head (ie uses exactly the same airports on a given route) with BA. Check FR's network and you'll see what I mean.


User currently offlineB747-4U3 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2002, 991 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6199 times:



Quoting AirNz (Reply 12):
Similar argument to the usual on here about LCC's.......yet they carry tens of millions of passengers every year, including beating BA. Funny how that is!

You seem to have missed the fact that long haul is a completely different market to short haul, and thus far, I don't think any LCC has managed to "beat" a full fare carrier on a long haul route.

Remember Oasis? Why did they fail? One reason was that it was often not much more expensive, or indeed cheaper to fly with BA, Qantas, Air New Zealand and Cathay Pacific to Hong Kong.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19243 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6026 times:



Quoting B747-4U3 (Reply 16):
Remember Oasis? Why did they fail?

Oasis:

1) Chose a route with lots of demand but also considerable supply and they were competing with big, well-established, powerful carriers;
2) Didn't have high asset utilisation;
3) Didn't have any feed;
4) Had relatively fuel-inefficient 744s.

In comparison, D7:

1) Intentionally selects routes that have no direct competition or, where it does compete directly, it competes with MH over which it can gain advantages;
2) Has high utilisation;
3) Has plenty of (self-connecting) feed and actively advertises it;
4) Has selected more fuel-efficient aircraft.

In addition, D7 utilises the well-known AirAsia brand; has strong backers; has decent and growing load factors; has relatively low break-even load factors; uses AirAsia's distribution channel; has a very charismatic, in-your-face CEO; and so on.

Crucially, D7 earned a net profit in its first full year of operations - something that's almost unheard of in the ever-volatile airline industry.

With everything that D7 is doing, it is certainly - and very, very rightly - seeking to gain a major cost differential over its competitors.

D7's price differential to London isn't that great - 20% lower than MH in that article. But if people will pay it and if its load factors continue to improve, then brilliant, particularly given its lower cost base.

It will be very interesting to see how D7 develops KUL-STN and how that route - and all its others - perform in the coming years.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineJetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5948 times:

AirAsia reported a 2008 net loss of MYR471.7 million ($128.3 million). In the current climate I will predict furthere losses to come. 50/50 chance of lasting


Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19243 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5915 times:



Quoting Jetfuel (Reply 18):
AirAsia

Not AirAsia X, which is different to AirAsia. X apparently earned a profit of around $80m for FY 2008.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineJetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5888 times:



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 19):
Quoting Jetfuel (Reply 18):
AirAsia

Not AirAsia X, which is different to AirAsia. X apparently earned a profit of around $80m for FY 2008.

Ok, remember AirAsia X is part owned by AirAsia and theres a masive co dependency. Its simple.... there's not going to be the room for the same number of market players come 2010. For AirASia X to survive Air Asia must also prosper



Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1517 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5518 times:



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 17):
In comparison, D7:

1) Intentionally selects routes that have no direct competition or, where it does compete directly, it competes with MH over which it can gain advantages;
2) Has high utilisation;
3) Has plenty of (self-connecting) feed and actively advertises it;
4) Has selected more fuel-efficient aircraft.

Some points to make:

1. The main competition will come not from MH, but from the many indirect carriers who ply between London and KUL. Check the prices on agency websites like netflights.com for travel in the coming months and you will see that the likes of EK, EY, KL, SQ and even CX will generally undercut Air AsiaX. (Yes, CX's routing involves a backhaul via HKG but CX softens the blow by allowing a stopover there).
I agree that these carriers don't fly London-KUL non-stop but they do offer the convenience of standarised timings and the use of LHR rather than STN which may not be convenient for a good number of travellers.
The indirect carriers also compete with Air Asia for onward points in SE Asia.
Also at the budget end of the market, passengers count every penny and it's cheaper to reach LHR by public transport on the Piccadilly line (using an Oyster card) from Central London than the train or bus fares to STN.
2. Yes, high utilisation is a good thing for cutting costs. But not so good when things go wrong ! Hub carriers need to build in some slack to protect the integrity of their hub connectivity.
3. Yes, plenty of feed traffic but consider that the differing STN-KUL timings mean it takes more effort to construct connections over KUL.
4. True.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 17):
D7's price differential to London isn't that great - 20% lower than MH in that article. But if people will pay it and if its load factors continue to improve, then brilliant, particularly given its lower cost base.

The price differential with MH is only part of it. I believe it's the indirect carriers which Air Asia must better match on price.
I made a simple comparison using netflights.com for a return trip from London to KUL out of June 3 and back on June 10.
Air Asia wanted GBP555 return whereas netflights.com could offer me KL or EK for GBP432, SQ for GBP485 or CX for GBP489.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19243 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5467 times:



Quoting LondonCity (Reply 21):
The main competition will come not from MH, but from the many indirect carriers who ply between London and KUL.



Quoting LondonCity (Reply 21):
The price differential with MH is only part of it. I believe it's the indirect carriers which Air Asia must better match on price.

Good points and I perhaps underestimated the importance of those.

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 21):
. Yes, high utilisation is a good thing for cutting costs. But not so good when things go wrong ! Hub carriers need to build in some slack to protect the integrity of their hub connectivity.

But D7 is a point-to-point airline and does not operate a hub-and-spoke network structure and thus does not incur the costs, complexities and responsibilities of an airline that does. Hence, it can time its flights whenever it wishes to ensure maximum utilisation. Unlike, for example, MH that is a hub-and-spoke-based airline.

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 21):
3. Yes, plenty of feed traffic but consider that the differing STN-KUL timings mean it takes more effort to construct connections over KUL.

It took me all of about 5 minutes to work out suitable connections to/from SIN.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1517 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5423 times:



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 22):
But D7 is a point-to-point airline and does not operate a hub-and-spoke network structure and thus does not incur the costs, complexities and responsibilities of an airline that does. Hence, it can time its flights whenever it wishes to ensure maximum utilisation. Unlike, for example, MH that is a hub-and-spoke-based airline.

Of course I realise that D7 is a point-to-point airline but then in previous postings you've maintained that D7's difference over failed Asian carrier Oasis is that (at its KUL base) "it has plenty of (self-connecting) feed [traffic] and actively advertises the fact."


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19243 posts, RR: 52
Reply 24, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5390 times:



Quoting LondonCity (Reply 23):
"it has plenty of (self-connecting) feed [traffic] and actively advertises the fact."

That is perfectly true. That D7 relies on feed does not mean its operation need focus on the attractiveness of connections, not least because on most routes AK/FD/QV offer high frequencies throughout the day.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
25 Post contains links LondonCity : I came across this flight check of the inaugural STN-KUL service. It appeared in The Guardian on March 13: http://www.guardian.co.uk/travel/200...r/13
26 Pe@rson : " target=_blank>http://www.guardian.co.uk/travel/200...eview Looks good. Had a brief look and will read it later today.
27 B747-4U3 : I've been looking at travelling to see some friends in KL in June/July. Every date that I have checked, Qatar Airways and Gulf Air have always been o
28 Traveladdict : I just checked a random date: dep KUL July 1, return July 17 on the KUL-LON route, with D7 it's RM3163, with MH it's RM3171. Wow an RM8 difference. MH
29 LondonCity : Correct. It's not just the competition from MH ( twice daily B744 flts) but it's also all those indirect carriers flying from London via mainland Eur
30 Skippy777 : At least the seats are great on the 340. Old Business Class seats of Air Canada. IFE is not working but the power support for the laptop is
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