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What Is DL Going To Cut--Make Your Predictions  
User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17358 posts, RR: 46
Posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 15713 times:

Since the other thread has devolved into mostly nonsense, let's cut to the chase. What is DL going to cut Transatlantic and/or Transpacific. Just give a route or routes, and the reasons why you think it'll go. Also, are they cutting 12% versus what they currently have scheduled for Fall09, or versus Winter 08 (from press release), which would mean in reality they're cutting ~20% TATL and ~30% TPAC versus Fall 2009? In either case it means a lot is going, especially if it's above and beyond what they were flying in 2008.


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User currently offlineNWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3383 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 15594 times:

This latest round of cuts is in addition to the previously announced 6-8%...

My picks (some what altered from the other thread):

NRT-ICN
NRT-PUS
Some routes out of both GUM & SPN
HNL-KIX
PDX-AMS
RDU-CDG (already on hold)



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User currently offlineDTWTOLBase From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 15573 times:

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CVG/MEM Hub Status?


User currently offlineTomFoolery From Austria, joined Jan 2004, 528 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 15526 times:

After cutting the free drinks on NW, I think that they will cut all but one movie (made for TV, of course), and replace the programming with re-runs of Matlock, and info-mercials Wink

Seriously, I don't see ATL-MUC (sadly) being around for long.

Tom



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User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 15503 times:

Personally I don't think RDU-CDG will ever go forward...or when it does go forward it gets axed quick.....I wouldn't be surprised by either of those scenarios


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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9289 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 15371 times:



Quoting TomFoolery (Reply 4):
Seriously, I don't see ATL-MUC (sadly) being around for long.

why? IIRC it does good

Quoting NWAESC (Reply 2):
NRT-ICN

agreed

Quoting NWAESC (Reply 2):
NRT-PUS

maybe......not sure though

IMO most of non-NRT intra-asia will go.



yep.
User currently offlineIntl767400 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 15310 times:

1.All intl flights from cvg and mem will be terminated. Delta must take advantage of its network and "funnel" the fewer people through less hubs thus consolidating intl through atl, jfk and msp mainly. Oh...slc intl flights could be chopped as well.

2.As stated, all the hubs will downgrade equipment and/or operate a downgraded schedule.

3.Could the 747s see an early retirement? Not much need for 400 seats in this economy!


User currently onlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4646 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 15286 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 6):
Quoting TomFoolery (Reply 4):
Seriously, I don't see ATL-MUC (sadly) being around for long.

why? IIRC it does good

That was upgraded to a 764 in 2007 and i think has mostly remained a 764, I think its safe.

CVG - Anything international, except CDG maybe, and even that as a 757.

Is DTW-AMS still at 5x? With ATL and JFK plus smaller direct AMS stations and also CDG flow, I think 2-3 tops would be necessary.



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User currently offlineDLBOIFIN From Finland, joined Jun 2006, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 15218 times:

I think ATL-ARN will be under the threat....

User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9289 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 15220 times:



Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 8):
CVG - Anything international, except CDG maybe, and even that as a 757.

CVG is hard......why? P&G and GE.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 8):
Is DTW-AMS still at 5x? With ATL and JFK plus smaller direct AMS stations and also CDG flow, I think 2-3 tops would be necessary.

needs to be 3x daily max.

Quoting Intl767400 (Reply 7):
3.Could the 747s see an early retirement? Not much need for 400 seats in this economy!

got to replace them

Quoting DTWTOLBase (Reply 3):
CVG/MEM Hub Status?

Which has next to nothing to do with the topic



yep.
User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 15149 times:



Quoting NWAESC (Reply 2):
NRT-ICN
NRT-PUS
Some routes out of both GUM & SPN
HNL-KIX
PDX-AMS
RDU-CDG (already on hold)

If they cut NRT-ICN, how will traffic get to ICN from the western USA??? I think ATL-ICN would be cut before NRT-ICN. Since there is already aircraft sitting in NRT anyways, it makes no sense to cut ICN. It is also only 700-800 miles so it isnt very musch of a savings to cut it. PUS will close you are assuming. I think AMS-PDX might be one.

How about some of the new flying from ATL to Europe? Why does that escape scrutiny?

Quoting TomFoolery (Reply 4):
Seriously, I don't see ATL-MUC (sadly) being around for long.

There is a BMW factory in GSP. IT probably carries the flight.

How about ATL-PRG/CPH, or JFK-Anything in E Europe??

Quoting DLBOIFIN (Reply 9):
I think ATL-ARN will be under the threat....

Agree


Anything for a cut would be a flight that overflys another hub to get to its destination.

Thus ATL-Europe if it is served from JFK. JFK-Latin if served from ATL. etc


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9289 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 15129 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 11):
If they cut NRT-ICN, how will traffic get to ICN from the western USA???

KE.

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 11):
Since there is already aircraft sitting in NRT anyways, it makes no sense to cut ICN

its a 757.....if the routes dont make money.....cut them

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 11):
How about some of the new flying from ATL to Europe? Why does that escape scrutiny?

most works

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 11):
How about ATL-PRG/CPH,

both work CPH is a 764

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 11):
Thus ATL-Europe if it is served from JFK. JFK-Latin if served from ATL.

your talking about cutting routes that make money.......more than likely old NWA routes will go/downgrade



yep.
User currently offlineTomFoolery From Austria, joined Jan 2004, 528 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 14929 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 11):
There is a BMW factory in GSP. IT probably carries the flight.

This would be a factor worth considering. I stand corrected

My basis is:

The fact that MUC is a *A stronghold, and my experience (OK, I flew it twice last year) the flights were not terribly full. Perhaps you have more data, but all Sky Team connections go to other locations already served.



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User currently offlineSlcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 14861 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 6):
IMO most of non-NRT intra-asia will go.

NO WAY.

NRT is an amazing asset for DL. With the world economy recovery timetable in question and fuel prices in the future questionable NRT is a better asset then ever.

What DL dosn't want is a bunch of super long fuel burning non-stops to asia with empty seats in a bad economy. That is what looses money.

NRT allows DL to offer lots of flights from various cities and fill them because of the high O&D to Japan. Also they get the benefit of additional passengers at NRT to fill the continuing flights to more spotty cities in Asia. It reduces the amount of empty seats and possible risk of buring tons of fuel on spotty routes. Its a win-win and DL will not cancel most of the NRT inter-Asian flights. NRT is an amazing asset in these times with the current economic situation. Maybe a few cancellations or reductions but NRT is not at a high risk like CVG. The long risky flights to Asia burn a ton of fuel if they are full or not. NRT allows for maximum seat fill and minimum fuel burning risk.

Predictions

MEM-AMS cut
RDU-CDG cut
DTW-LHR cut
MSP-SJD cut
1 MSP-AMS cut
1 DTW-NRT not daily anymore
1 DTW-AMS cut
CVG-Europe goes to all 757s as feed decreases
MSP-LHR reduced to 767
MSP-HNL goes to a 767 (sort of TPAC)


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22731 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 14843 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 11):
There is a BMW factory in GSP. IT probably carries the flight.

BMW, along with the other German companies in Charlotte, carries CLT-MUC. The BMW plant is not large enough to support two MUC flights on its own (it doesn't even support one on its own)-- you don't see anyone flying BHM-STR for the M-B plant in Alabama.

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 10):
CVG is hard......why? P&G and GE.

 checkmark  I think CVG can probably support a widebody to CDG and a 752 to London daily year-round even if the hub goes away. With some feed, it can probably support daily widebodies to CDG and London, and perhaps also FRA.



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User currently onlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1540 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 14745 times:



Quoting Slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 14):

You might want to read that quote again



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User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3466 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 14720 times:

I think a lot of redundancies may be cut as well as:

DTW/MSP multiple frequencies to AMS
DTW-NGO
PIT-CDG
ATL-ARN
NRT-ICN
HNL-NRT
PDX-AMS/NRT
CVG-LGW/AMS/FRA
DTW-FCO

Jeremy


User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5232 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 14650 times:



Quoting NWAESC (Reply 2):
RDU-CDG



Quoting Slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 14):
RDU-CDG cut

Guys, RDU-CDG cannot be among these cuts as it is not currently being flown. The 10% will be among the routes that are currently being flown.



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User currently offlineAirNz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 14607 times:



Quoting Slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 14):
NRT is an amazing asset in these times with the current economic situation. Maybe a few cancellations or reductions but NRT is not at a high risk like CVG. The long risky flights to Asia burn a ton of fuel if they are full or not. NRT allows for maximum seat fill and minimum fuel burning risk.

Okay, except that the quote you're rebutting clearly stated [i/]NON[/i] NRT intra-Asian flights!


User currently offlineJkudall From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14565 times:

ATL-KWI (loads have been pretty bad on this route, especially in J class)

User currently offlineYVR1968 From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14527 times:

I doubt LAX-SYD will last very long. I wouldn't expect it to last more than a year or 2.

I would also expect the SLC-NRT flight to not last very long either.

[Edited 2009-03-12 16:41:09]

User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14527 times:



Quoting SESGDL (Reply 17):
HNL-NRT

I couldn't imagine DL cutting HNL-NRT.



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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2915 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14501 times:

As much as I'd like PDX-AMS/NRT to stick around, I think it could very well be slated for cancellation. I'd also be surprised if LAX-SYD and LAX-GRU gets very far.

User currently offlinePHXtoDCAtoMSP From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14471 times:

Talk of NRT-ICN going away is perhaps the most laughable prospect of any routes you can talk about being reduced in the Pacific. It contributes A LOT to the profitable feed of all T-PAC flights....west coast as well as MSP and DTW. It did very well on the 332, but DL needed the widebody slots for the extra T-PACs like SLC, ATL and JFK, so considering that it is so short....the international product was not as needed on this route for passenger comfort....and it went to the 757. But it literally goes out with a near 100% load factor everyday now. And what good would letting KE take the west coast-ICN traffic do for DL? Unless it could feed SLC-ICN on KE....there would be ZERO benefit to "letting KE take the traffic". Whats more, we have an ATL-ICN flight that flies at 4x per week in the peak season.....obviously it can't be a huge money maker. And it would be minimally more of a hassle for those on ATL-ICN to connect ATL-NRT-ICN on DL. If any ICN flying goes away it will be 4x ATL-ICN.

I have also heard from revenue managers that NRT-PUS is a top contributor....due to a lack of US-PUS competition.

I would imagine that not many of the NW international flights will be cut. NW has always been very conservative and practical in its international routes.....focusing on routing traffic through hubs. These are much more reliable traffic flows, and should serve them well in a downturn....where routes like ATL-BOM and JFK-OTP are simply "too unique" for the current economic situation.

I would expect routes that had severe frequency reductions in the winter to either be cancelled or changed to summer-seasonal (AMS-PDX, ATL-ARN, SLC-CDG, ATL-ICN, ATL-KWI, AMS-BDL)


User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9182 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14435 times:



Quoting SESGDL (Reply 17):
PIT-CDG

This flight already has over 60 bookings, including half of the biz seats, and the DL regional manager even said that the airline is pleased with the bookings so far. He also stated that the airline is confident that they will not have to dip into the subsidies provided by the state...

Here's the article from a week ago: "Delta happy with reservations for France flight."

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09065/953649-100.stm

Since that article's print last week, there were roughly a dozen more bookings added, according to the airline's website anyway...

My thinking is that CVG and/or MEM will see international reduction. Maybe not necessarily all tatl service being cut, but certainly downgraded. Many have posted 757s to London and CDG, and I think that would make sense.



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25 UnitedTristar : those are my picks as well! -m
26 NWAESC : I didn't include PIT-CDG on my list due to the subsidies... From the article: "Mr. Campanella would not release any numbers but said he was confident
27 RwSEA : I agree. This is a busy route connecting two SkyTeam hubs and carries a good deal of business/military traffic. Further, this is one of the few short
28 VictorKilo : DTW-NGO 744 to 777 DTW-NRT 2x744 to 1x744/1x777 ATL-NRT 1x744/1x777 to 1x744 ATL-CDG 3x763 to 2x333 DTW-AMS 744 frequency cut PDX-AMS cut ATL-ICN cut
29 Krisyyz : How about JFK-BUD ?? DLs load factors must have improved on that route since MA pulled out of JFK last year, but is it still profitable? KrisYYZ
30 SLCUT2777 : This is one I predict will survive. I'm not sure if SLC-NRT will survive past the summer, but I'll predict all routes out of CVG to Europe will be go
31 Slcdeltarumd11 : Sorry
32 Evan767 : I would say the majority of these route cuts will be redundancies, as said above. Check out Sky Magazine and look at the Latin American route map. I s
33 OA412 : Jetlanta who is very reliable when it comes to such things has stated that KWI is apparently a late-booking market which is why there were early repo
34 Rafflesking : Nah - P&G shuttles few between Cincy and Paris. Majority of European traffic for us is to GVA, BRU and FRA. It doesn't matter if we 1-stop in CDG or
35 LAXdude1023 : I think DL would sooner cut ATL-PVG.
36 FlyASAGuy2005 : I don't think you can look at it that clear cut. There are many routes that work from JFK that may or may not work out of Atlanta because of VFR/OD a
37 OA412 : I don't think you'll see DL cut any of the China frequencies for the simple fact that while they may be bleeding right now, they are a long term inve
38 SeaBosDca : All of those are too long for a 752 (except CVG-LHR). They will either have to stay 767 or be cut. I think CDG survives and AMS gets cut. NRT will su
39 OA412 : Actually CVG-AMS was operated by a 752 just last summer.
40 Cubsrule : ...though they never tried it with a 752 in the winter, right?
41 FlyPNS1 : CVG-FCO is already gone. DL has said that TPAC will be cut 12-14%, so it's got to be something more than just NRT-PVG.
42 Breaker1011 : JFK-OTP sure, because OTP itself isn't huge as a market. But what's "too unique" about connecting the biggest hub in the world to the biggest Indian
43 NWADTWFA : I would like to see a reaction that includes reduction in frequency or placing smaller aircraft on routes vs abandoning routes all together. It is my
44 EXAAUADL : [ You dont understand the concept of NOT OTHERWISE CARRIED (NOC). Dont think that JFK-Latin makes money if a substantial amount of the traffic can be
45 DeltaL1011man : its 4x weekly now wont happen needed for NRT agreed please read quote below same here if its so great why not make it 2 757s?(which wouldnt use slots
46 MAH4546 : Frequencies are locked into JFK-BOG. If not used on JFK-BOG, they must be returned. Delta can apply for another use, but other airlines can apply for
47 FlyingSicilian : I've heard rumouor they might cut HOU and shift all to IAH. Granted from no valid sources, but that doesn't seem to be a criteria for this thread as i
48 MSYtristar : It would not surprise me to see MEM-AMS get cut. Most of the connections via MEM can easily be routed via ATL. MEM-AMS was a key route for NW for AMS
49 Nwafan20 : ...What are you talking about? It's 2x daily with 744's....
50 Steeler83 : I also forgot to mention that the landing fees have been waved as well. I suppose the ACAA and the State of PA want to wait and see how this route pe
51 PGNCS : Because it's seasonal... And it doesn't mean it's not. If CPH was doing so poorly, why would they tie up one of their scarce larger widebodies on it
52 LAXdude1023 : Well, that low yeilding 5th freedom traffic loses DL a fraction of what ATL-PVG loses. Its a money bleeder if there ever was one in DL's network.
53 FlyASAGuy2005 : Which means nothing. Had it been the other way around with LH announcing they wanted to start service then that would be a different story. The same
54 MAH4546 : More capacity lowers fixed costs, allowing for greater profit potential on low-yielding tickets.
55 PHXtoDCAtoMSP : Don't hold your breath on the ATL-NRT cut....I hear they are worried the traffic isn't going to materialize like they thought it would. And no....ATL
56 TheGMan : nope Large enough to carry an A346 during the summer. CLT-FRA also stays pretty full.
57 EXAAUADL : It means there is significant traffic from BHM to Germany is what it means. I have no idea what you point is in responding to what I posted Stage len
58 OA412 : Well we don't know that it's necessarily still bleeding money. Is it? Probably but it's also possible that the cut to 4 weekly has allowed the flight
59 FlyASAGuy2005 : I guess you missed "my" point. Because Birmingham lobbyed for a flight does not mean the traffic was there. On the flight side, just because an airli
60 PGNCS : Yes, and...? If they didn't predict increased profitability from a larger aircraft they wouldn't use it on the route, they would do what they have do
61 CompensateMe : Armchair analysts? When the heck are they analyzing? Reading the thread makes me think most people are just guessing, not analyzing..
62 Deltabobo : Has anyone realized that DL can achieve systemwide capacity cuts by simply removing flights to smaller aircraft or evening removing daily frequencies
63 YVR1968 : I disagree. It is plausible to discuss new routes that could even be cut before they are even started. I don't see anything wrong with posting potent
64 OOer : My predictions... Anything CVG - Europe cut and consolidated to DTW flights. More capacity shifted to DTW from CVG. MEM-AMS gone. ATL-CDG cut 1 freque
65 OA412 : Won't happen for the simple fact that those are restricted frequencies. If DL cuts this flight the frequencies will be surrendered to the DOT and a n
66 Ocracoke : I've flown ORF-ATL-MAD before, and the ATL-MAD flight left the coast right over my house in Virginia Beach, and flew straight out into the Atlantic,
67 SurfandSnow : MEM-AMS = shifted to CDG or cut altogether; certainly at least downgraded to 763 PDX-AMS = awfully long, thin route to operate. Seeing as how UA could
68 MPDPilot : I have to agree here. I think that you will find that DL stays in a large number of markets simply with fewer seats on the route. I also think that r
69 PA101 : I'm glad noone has mentioned JFK-TXL so far. Can that be considered somewhat safe? How is it doing lately?
70 Dispatchguy : I have to disagree, as DL carries a lot of freight on this flight. I just flew PVGATL yesterday, and there was over 36.0K of freight in the bellies.
71 Directorguy : The Middle East routes seem to be doing quite well. JFK-CAI and JFK-AMM are consistently full from what I hear, as is ATL-DXB. Although I don't see th
72 UN_B732 : I predict KBP goes. DL and VV keep getting into fare wars, and the flights, from what i've seen, have been pretty open lately, especially up front. -A
73 Frostbite : One aspect of the upcoming DL capacity cuts that has not been discussed is....where is the capacity being shifted to. I speculate that a lot of it wil
74 Lhpdx : I can see PDX-AMS being cut but PDX-NRT on Delta remaining.....In this present economic climate in Oregon, Portland can only support 1 inernational fl
75 Congaboy : I would say with the growing issues in Mexico, decreasing leisure dollars, real estate crashes on vacation homes, and market saturation, you will prob
76 Alitalia744 : True, especially given the BIC is in BRU, PG could fill that flight alone if DL offered it.
77 Mayor : I doubt that SLC-CDG would be cut, anytime soon, as it basically was subsidized by the state of Utah.
78 Cubsrule : So M-B Vance cannot even fill one flight to STR, but BMW Greer can fill 2 flights to MUC? That makes zero sense. Shouldn't it? Stopping somewhere in
79 MaverickM11 : If I'm understanding the guidance correctly, you all need to think a lot bigger. DL is reducing TPAC/TATL 12-13% below WINTER 2008, and since Winter 2
80 Summa767 : Even though loads have been poor for February and March, DL's first full month of operation on the JFK-BOG does not appear too bad with a 78% load fa
81 DAL763ER : Every time I flew on it, it was full. I don't think Delta would cut it given that it has been operating for more than 3 years.
82 AmricanShamrok : I think maybe JFK-SNN could be reduced to summer-only; DL have already reduced winter services from SNN.
83 DAL763ER : Note that it was only cut for the winter each time, so it is unlikely they would cut it for good because there are many people in Romania who want to
84 Tobybearmi : Does anyone see DL grounding the 744 fleet in favor of the much more fuel efficient 777, and using 777 on routes, such as DTW-NRT? Also, does anyone s
85 Cubsrule : GDL isn't a vacation destination, so your criteria don't really suggest that they ought to cut GDL.
86 Avconsultant : When DL entered bankruptcy they cancelled all corporate deals. P&G contract was picked up by AA & US. As for GE, their local travel was limited compa
87 LAXdude1023 : Well its certainly nothing DL would be bragging about, however I merely stated that I think ATL-PVG would be more likely to be cut than NRT-PVG. Fran
88 MaverickM11 : Yes. In fact I think NW was planning on ditching the 744 in favor of 787s/330s before the merger, and the prospects after the merger certainly haven'
89 Mayor : Don't think there's enough 77L's in the fleet yet and probably not enough until next year. The 744's still have some time.
90 OA412 : Yeah it all depends on what is actually cut but given the limited 777 fleet, I don't know if it will be able to cover everything so I don't think tha
91 MaverickM11 : This was all predicated on an on time 787 which is obviously not the case. However if they drop ATLBOM, ATLICN, one DTWNRT, DTWNGO, and cover HNLNRT/
92 EXAAUADL : pointless post on your part, especially since you dont have any access to DL sales data no crap....lots of cities lobby for flights. What is means is
93 Skibum9 : My bet is that they are going to cut all international out of ATL and move it to MSY!
94 CokePopper : That is just about as accurate as every other posters ideas
95 FlyASAGuy2005 : That's what they ended up doing. I don't see why not. My next question and someone brought up a good point. Where will the excess capacity go?... Poi
96 Aviateur : 1. Cape Town 2. Kuwait Those are two that scream out at me. PS
97 MSYtristar : Long before ATL-anywhere in Europe/Asia/Africa was ever contemplated, there was nonstop international DL service from MSY! Thank you Chicago and Sout
98 YVR1968 : I reckon the ATL-YVR flights might be gone after the summer scheds as well. Down to only 3 per week for the summer anyway, last few years has been dai
99 Incitatus : Yup, Delta regularly cuts a third of its Summer transatlantic network in the Winter. Thus a reduction to the same Winter capacity as right now has to
100 MaverickM11 : I agree. I'd put NBO in the same bin as CPT.
101 MMEPHX : I'm betting most non-hub routes will be gone. After that I think mostly a reduction in frequency and/or aircraft size will be the main way to cut capa
102 Centrair : I think that route frequencies will be reduced. Non hub traffic cut or highly reduced. Aircraft will be shuffled to make certain routes work better. e
103 Frostbite : Ok, my next 'contribution' to the speculative orgy that is this post... NBO: Startup is less than three months away....if DL is going to scrub NBO, w
104 Sukhoi : Many of you have mentioned ATL-ARN getting the axe, the route was started last year. If not ATL -CPH had been succesfull I doubt DL would have started
105 Evan767 : Yeah...... Umm, no?
106 LAXdude1023 : Last I checked, just about all of the ATL-Europe routes are pretty stable. Although I dont know too much about ATL-ARN. I dont think ATL-CPH had any
107 DeltaL1011man : proof? I know......but should have said it. Sad thing is more than likely they would end up giving them up. right because they like to just waste the
108 Aviateur : That's a good point. What he's saying is that cuts will come primarily from EXISTING flights, not those that haven't started yet. As I understand it,
109 DeltaL1011man : right and what MAY happen is some routes (talking TATL) will go 757 in the winter 767 in the summer, or 767 summer nothing winter, or 757 summer noth
110 OOer : I know these cuts aren't supposed to come until September, but the JFK 76ER bids for April have 34 less lines then the March bids...just some info...p
111 DocLightning : What do we think about DTW-SFO? Right now, NW is the only airline operating that route and the capacity is pretty dinky (A320x2 and 757x1). I'm not su
112 Hjulicher : There is enough traffic O/D wise to support at least one SFO-DTW/DTW-SFO flight, and considering that only NW operated non-stop, it's probably a good
113 MaverickM11 : I didn't say they'd cut NBO; I just said I'd put it in the same category as CPT in terms of performance. I think NBO stays and CPT goes. NBO will go
114 Steeler83 : I agree. Why would they cut a flight that they have not started yet? I already posted my 2cents on PIT-CDG. Have they cut any overlapping NW-DL fligh
115 A318 : Someone mentioned BDL-AMS... wasn't that cut a while back?
116 MaverickM11 : Any data on the route shows it's a bomb. Do you have any evidence to the contrary?
117 LAXdude1023 : Every part of this flight is a loser right now. Not saying it will be forever, but It sure as hell is now. Dont believe me if you dont want to, but I
118 OA412 : I've only ever seen one report cited that indicated that DL carried about $1 million worth of cargo in the first month of operation. I have not seen
119 United787 : I think it makes sense to get rid of the 744s as I think NW really only needed them for range, but I wonder if DL's ego will be able to part with the
120 Tommy767 : If I had to predict anything, I'd say that CVG and MEM will remain as mini hubs, or at the worst focus cities for DL. MEM will probably loose its AMS
121 DeltaL1011man : I don't think the yields are great but it isn't the bomb of a route you and mav. make it out it be. If it was that bad trust me DL would have asked t
122 EXAAUADL : Im begining to think that MEM might stay as is. Obviously as DC-9s are pulled from the fleet, there will br changes. But If I;d wager on a hub closur
123 Cubsrule : ...and, by and large, those aren't BMW folks. They fly LH from CLT.
124 DeltaL1011man : no 757s will have to be replaced. DL has 17 TATL 75s. period not like CO who can put any 752 on TATL runs DL has 17. Now DL "could" put the 4 ATA 752
125 LAXdude1023 : If you recall DL applied to make the route 4x weekly through part of 2010. The DOT is allowing them to have it 4x weekly through the end of 2009. Rem
126 DeltaL1011man : and they did the same for DTW-PVG. The are going to wait a year for the old NRT-CAN flights(still don't think SEA-PEK will happen IMO) DL could very
127 Aviateur : DL just announced a promotional sale on seats to Nairobi. So they're at least going to start the route, it would seem. The promo also played up the co
128 M404 : I'm still wondering if it's market sense or ego that makes DL want to start to SYD with the sudden buildup of that route. Of course it's true that the
129 ThegreatRDU : For an airline to make money the airplanes have to be in the air not on the ground raking up fees what would merit this..... These are supposedly sea
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