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OO Laying Off 300 In SLC  
User currently offlineRidgid727 From United States of America, joined exactly 6 years ago today! , 1107 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4725 times:

Apparently SkyWest is laying off in SLC as Delta puts their own personel back on the B concourse.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=5832704

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User currently offlineJkudall From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4705 times:

To clarify, these employees are being furloughed, not laid off. Also, DL employees will now be working all flights (whether DL connection or DL mainline) out of B concourse. DL is planning on hiring additional staff for the added flights. Skywest will continue to ground handle 75% of its flights in SLC out of E concourse.

Still, very sad for the employees affected, they are great people.

[Edited 2009-03-12 16:35:13]

User currently offlineNwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3380 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4629 times:



Quoting Jkudall (Reply 1):
Still, very sad for the employees affected, they are great people.

True, but it's still good to see M/L employees getting some work back.

The more work brought in-house, the better IMO.



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User currently offlineDurangomac From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 699 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4598 times:



Quoting Nwaesc (Reply 2):
True, but it's still good to see M/L employees getting some work back.

The more work brought in-house, the better IMO.

Except for the fact all the flights being handled out of the B Concourse are OO aircraft at the moment. To me DL is cutting it's nose off despite it's face. DL even acknowledges that it's not a performance issue.

There is also some fuzzy math going on. How is it that OO thinks that about 300 employees will be effected while DL is only going to hire 50? Is DL really that overstaffed in SLC?


User currently offlineNWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3380 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4569 times:



Quoting Durangomac (Reply 3):
Except for the fact all the flights being handled out of the B Concourse are OO aircraft at the moment. To me DL is cutting it's nose off despite it's face. DL even acknowledges that it's not a performance issue.

I thought most of this was transfer running and the like? I don't think it's a performance issue, either, but rather a $$$ issue.. Why pay someone else to do it, when you can do it yourself, you know?

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There is also some fuzzy math going on. How is it that OO thinks that about 300 employees will be effected while DL is only going to hire 50? Is DL really that overstaffed in SLC?

I have no idea how SLC is staffed.



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User currently offlineJkudall From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4546 times:



Quoting Durangomac (Reply 3):
There is also some fuzzy math going on. How is it that OO thinks that about 300 employees will be effected while DL is only going to hire 50? Is DL really that overstaffed in SLC?

Sorta, kinda. It's more like doing more with less. DL also took on a handful of NW employees in SLC.

OO has had split operations on almost opposite sides of the terminal (E conc. and B conc.) which required extra staffing because the operation was so spread out. Now they will be consolidated into concourse E, requiring less staff. DL won't be so spread out amongst B, C, and D concourses.


User currently offlineNWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3380 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4522 times:



Quoting Jkudall (Reply 5):
DL also took on a handful of NW employees in SLC.

NWA hasn't had any M/L employees in SLC in some time...



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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3186 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4300 times:



Quoting Durangomac (Reply 3):
To me DL is cutting it's nose off despite it's face.

"Cutting off your nose to spite your face" is the figure of speech, not "despite"  Wink



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User currently offlineDurangoMac From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 699 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4290 times:



Quoting Jkudall (Reply 5):
OO has had split operations on almost opposite sides of the terminal (E conc. and B conc.) which required extra staffing because the operation was so spread out. Now they will be consolidated into concourse E, requiring less staff. DL won't be so spread out amongst B, C, and D concourses.

I do know some about the operation and there weren't that many duplicated positions because of being on different concourses. There might a few more people working bag transfer than DL might use but really don't see how DL can work the gates with 250 people less. The only doubled up positions would be positions that DL would probably duplicate for each concourse anyways like Shift Managers.


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10343 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3945 times:

Skywest never had 300 people working the B concourse. You're only talking like 5-6 gates on the even side.

BTW, you'd be surprised how much of the OO baggage transfer is already done by DL people.



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User currently offlineOOSLC From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3818 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 9):
BTW, you'd be surprised how much of the OO baggage transfer is already done by DL people.

Hardly any. Well when I was in baggage transfer they did not like to touch our bags at all. Now I'm not baggage transfer anymore so I don't know whats changed since then.

They are closing one OO bagroom, OO baggage transfer and B gates ramp and gate agents. That's about 300 employees.

Friends from DL say that they want to better utilize their employees. Some parts of the days the C-D gates will be empty or only a couple planes when the E-B gates will be packed like sardines!! They say the B gates won't be used at all and just for overflow from the C-D gates. But I say they will be still used on the busy banks. Esp. the morning.


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10343 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3743 times:



Quoting OOSLC (Reply 10):
Hardly any. Well when I was in baggage transfer they did not like to touch our bags at all. Now I'm not baggage transfer anymore so I don't know whats changed since then.

Well, this was about 4 years ago and the DL people were doing alot of the baggage xfer, especially when the connecting point at E was overflowing........then they pulled the mail xfer out of D concourse and put the OO xfer point in there.



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User currently offlineOOSLC From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3655 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 11):
Well, this was about 4 years ago and the DL people were doing alot of the baggage xfer, especially when the connecting point at E was overflowing........then they pulled the mail xfer out of D concourse and put the OO xfer point in there.

Oh I see, right before I started. When OO was doing mail. We were bumping too much mail due to weight and balance that the post office decided not to do it anymore.

Yeah it must have gotten busy at the E transfer with every one of our bags going there. I wonder if DL is going to use the D transfer point at all. Time will tell I guess.

I'm just lucky to not be one of the 300 getting furloughed. I feel sorry for all the people that are though.  crying 


User currently offlineJolau1701 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3513 times:

I think the Northwest merger has something to do with it. Especially since OO is already starting to lose stations to what will transition into RHS.  Angry

User currently offlineDurangoMac From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 699 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 2996 times:

Quoting Jolau1701 (Reply 13):
I think the Northwest merger has something to do with it. Especially since OO is already starting to lose stations to what will transition into RHS.

OO has lost a few stations, EV as lost even more. The story doesn't stop there, the carrier we haven't heard much from is ZW, after talking to a manager from ZW,they pretty much are bracing for a loss of all the stations they had in the RFP process. The situation isn't good because many see it as lowest bidder even if it sacrifices efficiencies, productivity and seasoned professionals.

Good luck to anyone that has lost, will loose, or is leaving EV, OO or ZW because of this, IMO, stupid and backwards RFP process.

[Edited 2009-03-13 12:22:05]

User currently offlineNwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3380 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2736 times:



Quoting DurangoMac (Reply 14):
The story doesn't stop there, the carrier we haven't heard much from is ZW, after talking to a manager from ZW,they pretty much are bracing for a loss of all the stations they had in the RFP process.

That's correct. All ~25 stations where ZW handles NWA will be lost effective June 1st. RHS will be taking over all of those.



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User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3802 posts, RR: 29
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2599 times:



Quoting Durangomac (Reply 3):
Except for the fact all the flights being handled out of the B Concourse are OO aircraft at the moment.

With all due respect... I thought all the flights opb OO (on behalf of DL) at SLC, regardless of concourse, are Delta flights... or at least that is the way it's spun whenever it seems beneficial to OO or DL or both... now all of a sudden we are supposed to differentiate between the operations of OO (dba Delta Connection)and DL at SLC? Seems like selective differentiation to me -- blur the line between OO and DL when it's convenient, and make a clear distinction when it isn't.


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10343 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2462 times:



Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 16):
With all due respect... I thought all the flights opb OO (on behalf of DL) at SLC, regardless of concourse, are Delta flights... or at least that is the way it's spun whenever it seems beneficial to OO or DL or both... now all of a sudden we are supposed to differentiate between the operations of OO (dba Delta Connection)and DL at SLC? Seems like selective differentiation to me -- blur the line between OO and DL when it's convenient, and make a clear distinction when it isn't.

Well, they're ALL on behalf of DL, but there's a clear distinction of whose flights are whose. OO ground handled the DL connection flights on B & E concourse and DL handled the mainline flights on B, C & D. Nothing hidden, here. The OO flights were always obviously theirs and the DL mainline were always obviously theirs. Don't try to read to much of an evil conspiracy into this, when there isn't any.  Wink



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User currently offlineHaggis79 From Germany, joined Jun 2006, 1096 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2444 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 17):
OO ground handled the DL connection flights on B & E concourse and DL handled the mainline flights on B, C & D. Nothing hidden, here.

I remember flying several times on OO out of the C-gates (C1, most of the time) - who handled these?



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User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10343 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2418 times:



Quoting Haggis79 (Reply 18):
I remember flying several times on OO out of the C-gates (C1, most of the time) - who handled these?

I honestly can't say because that seems to be a new developement to me. Used to be that C concourse was all DL mainline. Perhaps DL people were working the flights you remember.



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User currently offlineDurangoMac From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 699 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2347 times:



Quoting Haggis79 (Reply 18):

I remember flying several times on OO out of the C-gates (C1, most of the time) - who handled these?

If OO needed an extra gate and DL was able to give up the gate with a enough notice it was OO who handled it. If it was one of the split second decisions then DL handled the flight.


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10343 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1846 times:



Quoting DurangoMac (Reply 20):
If OO needed an extra gate and DL was able to give up the gate with a enough notice it was OO who handled it. If it was one of the split second decisions then DL handled the flight.

Probably more than likely, it was usually DL handling it. The manpower was set up so 1 group would work C-1/C-3, another C-5/C-7 and so on. If C-1 or C-3 or any gate was empty, it means that there were probably crews sitting around, anyway.



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