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EK In Talk With Airbus About A380 Deliveries  
User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2763 posts, RR: 25
Posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 13391 times:

Sorry if this has been posted already before - I didn't find anything in that respect.

Seems as if Emirates tries to postpone the deliveries of some A380s - similiar to what AF did.
Source in German: http://www.airliners.de/news/artikelseite.php?articleid=17598

Rough translation:

Quote:
Emirates is talking to Airbus about postponing the deliveries of A380s.
Emirates could postpone the delivery of several frames” said someone from Airbus.



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User currently offlineDirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1697 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 13251 times:

I remember the days when EK couldn't get rhe A380s fast enough.
Perhaps the Airbus delay was a blessing in disguise. Had deliveries been on schedule, EK would have at least a dozen A380s in service now.


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12530 posts, RR: 35
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 13028 times:

Perhaps EK could use the possibility of an A380-900 launch as a "trade off" against deferring some orders.

Alternatively, they could bring some A330-300 deliveries forward?


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13745 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 13002 times:

An article on LesEchos has been posted.

My French is sketchy however it says that according to sources there are production problems at Airbus.

Airbus and EK are not commenting.

According to their information, the A380 coming in March is coming on 09 April instead. Two which are supposed to be arriving in August have been delayed to November and two will be delivered in December.

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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13302 posts, RR: 100
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 12679 times:
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Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 4):
According to their information, the A380 coming in March is coming on 09 April instead. Two which are supposed to be arriving in August have been delayed to November and two will be delivered in December.

Thank you, those are interesting delays.

It wouldn't surprise me if EK slowed A380 delivery rates. But by how much? This economy is very different than 2006. If the A380 had been on time, EK would have been able to fill the planes profitably (assuming that 'magically' the terminal/concourse work hadn't also been delayed as much as it was). Now its a slow economy. No more borrowing against the home for a vacation.

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User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2763 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 12486 times:



Quoting Directorguy (Reply 1):
I remember the days when EK couldn't get rhe A380s fast enough.

Yes, I remember when Airbus announced last year that they want to get in contact with each client in order to clarify how the deliveries could by adjusted Tim Clark said as a reaction in one interview something like "Further delays would be a huge threat for Emirates' expansion plans".

Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 4):
An article on LesEchos has been posted.
According to their information, the A380 coming in March is coming on 09 April instead. Two which are supposed to be arriving in August have been delayed to November and two will be delivered in December.

There was a similiar article in the German news today. But to be honest, I considered this as old news. Look what our a-net fellow Haan wrote on December 13th 2008 in the "A380 production thread":

Quote:
This seems to be the likely delivery months for Emirates A380's for 2009 to early in 2010.
Also seems like a few swops have been done with some MSN and registrations
from A6-EDI onwords as MSN 07 will join the fleet earlier now.

MSN 17 A6-EDE APRIL 2009
MSN 23 A6-EDF NOVEMBER 2009
MSN 25 A6-EDG NOVEMBER 2009
MSN 28 A6-EDH DECEMBER 2009
MSN 07 A6-EDI DECEMBER 2009
MSN 30 A6-EDJ MARCH 2010
MSN 42 A6-EDK MARCH 2010



It's exactly as described in the article


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13745 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 12306 times:



Quoting N14AZ (Reply 6):
But to be honest, I considered this as old news

Hmm - I see. Evidently Les Echos would do well to consult the A.net A380 discussion archives for news scoops.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21547 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 12162 times:



Quoting N14AZ (Reply 6):
Tim Clark said as a reaction in one interview something like "Further delays would be a huge threat for Emirates' expansion plans"

Tim Clark says a lot of things. I've stopped believing him a long time ago.  Wink



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User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1794 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 11702 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
Tim Clark says a lot of things. I've stopped believing him a long time ago

Sounds like he is becoming an iconic figure like Branson.

But seriously according to an article I read about Dubai property. It has slowed down a lot and that is inevitable given this economic environment. With speculation causing the problems in Dubai, the same sheer of the building boom would most likely never be experienced again.

Well according to a.net, since EK carries a large number of 6th freedom pax, they don't see this as any problem. But is this really so when more point to point routes are opened up? As great as EK's amenities are, there are wide gaps between the a/c type, etc. So are there any announcements forecasting the growth shrinkage in the DXB market and for EK?



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21547 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10861 times:



Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 8):
Well according to a.net, since EK carries a large number of 6th freedom pax, they don't see this as any problem.

A.net people say this. But EK themselves have talked about the need for traffic into Dubai to support the growth. If that growth slows, the traffic to Dubai slows.

When various nations see no value in having unlimited traffic rights to Dubai in exchange for EK getting unlimited access rights to their country, open skies becomes harder to negotiate, and bi-laterals get stalled at current levels.

EK needs large O&D growth to support the Dubai argument to other nations that letting EK expand in their market is a good thing.

Without those treaties, EK growth must slow.



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User currently offlinePVG From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2004, 727 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8081 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 2):
Perhaps EK could use the possibility of an A380-900 launch as a "trade off" against deferring some orders.

Perhaps they should cancel 50% of their orders as they never needed so many A380's to begin with and they can finally admit that their plans were a pipe dream from day one. The days of bankers throwing money around like drunken sailors are over. Dubai's huge BS story has been exposed, the party is over.


User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3234 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7989 times:



Quoting PVG (Reply 10):
Perhaps they should cancel 50% of their orders as they never needed so many A380's to begin with and they can finally admit that their plans were a pipe dream from day one. The days of bankers throwing money around like drunken sailors are over. Dubai's huge BS story has been exposed, the party is over.

Why don't you say what you really think?! Come on don't hold back. LOL, that's great.

Don't think the fat lady's sung yet though so there still may be a curtain call.

Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 8):
iconic figure like Branson

Sorry, but what do you consider Richard Branson to be an icon for? As an analogous extension, what does he symbolise for you? Just interested as I think the use of the term icon is at risk of losing its meaning.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 9):
Without those treaties, EK growth must slow.

Agree with you here.

Regards
MH



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User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7923 times:



Quoting N14AZ (Reply 5):

Could this be a delay due to the interior showers?

Wasn't there an article that EK wanted to reduce the size of the water tank that it makes Airbus install into their A380's. They stated that F pax don't use the whole tank.
Maybe that's why the big gap from April to November & December.



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User currently offlineAirbusA370 From Germany, joined Dec 2008, 253 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6545 times:

The delay could also be caused by "redesign" of the Emirates specific cabin features like the showers and the awkward position of the crew rest. Also I heard that the operational issues Emirates had with the A380, came mostly from bad crew/maintenance training. Some delay in the deliveries would open space to train new crews and the old ones properly...

User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10127 posts, RR: 97
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6337 times:
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Quoting KL808 (Reply 12):
Maybe that's why the big gap from April to November & December.

I have to say in the context of the current economic climate and prospects of wholesale deferrals, 6 months doesn't sound a particularly long time......

Rgds


User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3234 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 6061 times:



Quoting KL808 (Reply 12):
Could this be a delay due to the interior showers?

Any word on passenger reaction to these? Personally, I couldn't think of anything worse than being wet and naked then hitting turbulence.

MH



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User currently offlinePVG From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2004, 727 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 6003 times:



Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 15):
Any word on passenger reaction to these? Personally, I couldn't think of anything worse than being wet and naked then hitting turbulence.

So, how is that going to work safety wise? Do the showers have straps or a seat in them so that you can shower while buckled in during turbulance?


User currently offlineAirbusA370 From Germany, joined Dec 2008, 253 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5861 times:

This was discussed a while ago. The shower has a foldable seat inside, with belt. You might even continue your shower while seated  Smile

User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3234 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5700 times:



Quoting AirbusA370 (Reply 17):
This was discussed a while ago. The shower has a foldable seat inside, with belt. You might even continue your shower while seated

Still, far prefer to shower on the ground in the comfort of the business class lounge after I get off the plane or at my hotel if I'm going straight there.

Regards
MH



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User currently offlineAPP From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 546 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5159 times:

Wonder if the cabin crew will come round while you're in the shower to check your seatbelt is securely fastened. . . . . . . . could be interesting!


  

[Edited 2009-03-14 09:11:42]

[Edited 2009-03-14 09:12:12]

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21547 posts, RR: 59
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4864 times:

Der Spiegel is reporting that EK is delaying these planes due to financing issues. It's in the other thread about EK complaining about the plane not being good enough.

Notice how EK and SRB both complain to the manufacturers about quality/delays and then at the same time defer more aircraft because they don't want them/can't afford them. Seems like the first argument is a smoke screen for the second problem...



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31135 posts, RR: 85
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4853 times:
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Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 20):
Notice how EK and SRB both complain to the manufacturers about quality/delays and then at the same time defer more aircraft because they don't want them/can't afford them. Seems like the first argument is a smoke screen for the second problem...

Well it is also a way to prod the aircraft manufacturer to improve their product in the interim, lest that deferment later become a cancellation when the customer is in a position to start taking product again and may have new options.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6440 posts, RR: 38
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4578 times:

Will EK receive their 5th A380 in time to operate DXB-SYD-AKL daily as scheduled?


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User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5476 posts, RR: 30
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4549 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 21):
Well it is also a way to prod the aircraft manufacturer to improve their product in the interim, lest that deferment later become a cancellation when the customer is in a position to start taking product again and may have new options.

I suspect that the real prodding is happening in private. This is just advertising through journalism.



What the...?
User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4514 times:



Quoting PVG (Reply 10):
Perhaps they should cancel 50% of their orders as they never needed so many A380's to begin with and they can finally admit that their plans were a pipe dream from day one. The days of bankers throwing money around like drunken sailors are over. Dubai's huge BS story has been exposed, the party is over.

How have EK's financial results compared with the recent results of Air China, China Eastern and China Southern? How many EK flights operate with empty seats, or seats filled with people travelling at bargain basement fares? Has the UAE Government pumped emergency money into EK?

Are people in the UK or in the USA cancelling their trip to India/Pakistan this year? If EK's passengers in those countries are in the parts of the economy where jobs are being lost, or where retirement money is going down the drain, then that is what will hurt EK.


25 Stitch : Blame SUH for that one. He is widely credited (if falsely so) as the man whose public words convinced Airbus to take what was a mildly-warmed over A3
26 Ikramerica : That's how I see it. If you want to hide that your airline is in financial trouble, just make bigger news blaming the supplier for your problems at t
27 Post contains links N14AZ : I already copied these links into the "EK-hapiness" thread but for the sake of order I would like to post the relevant passages in terms of deliveries
28 ZK-NBT : Thats the plan I think, it said above the next aircraft will be delivered in April instead of March. It seems to be after that that there are delays.
29 Scouseflyer : It seems to be considered a valid negotiating technique - pick a fight with a supplier to cover for your own inaddequacies......
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