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OAG Changes 3/13/09: F9/B6/DL/NW/UA  
User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7320 posts, RR: 14
Posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 11234 times:

F9
DEN-JAC was previously selling year-round, now the service ends in September as it did last year.
DEN-ANC was previously selling year-round, now the service ends in October as it has in the past.

B6
Reversed last week's termination of BOS-PBI, now 2 E190 roundtrips beyond September.

DL
LNK-SLC from 0 to 1 roundtrip on a CRJ begins in June
MDW-SLC from 0 to 1 roundtrip on an M90 begins in June

NW
Reversed last week's deletion of JFK-AMS (757). Flight now operates continuously past April.
MSP-BMI from 0 to 1 roundtrip on a CRJ begins June
DTW-LSE from 0 to 1 roundtrip on a CRJ begins June

UA
ORD-YXE from 1 to 1 roundtrip on a CR7 begins in June (Saskatoon)

OAG changes are not usually reflected in GDS until Monday.

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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 11129 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
Reversed last week's deletion of JFK-AMS (757). Flight now operates continuously past April.

Dumb question about this one... might the deletion have been a mistake?

Besides that one, NW and DL seem to be doing a lot of dot connecting; the return of mainline employees facilitates that MDW-SLC flight, and the merger also facilitates the LNK-SLC run (since LNK is a NW station), but the NW adds look like the strategy that they've been pursuing on and off for 5 years.



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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 11089 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
NW

Don't forget RNOMSP on weekends with E175s starting in June and ending in September--from the Minnesota Aviation thread. Don't think it's been loaded yet, but still mentionable.



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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7320 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 11057 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 1):
Dumb question about this one... might the deletion have been a mistake?

Basically I agree. I think that because they are filing two schedules separately with flights moving between carriers they are having a lot of issues. It may be that they deleted it from the NW schedule in expectation of adding it to the DL schedule, but the decision was reversed in midstream. Hard to tell, but I agree it was probably a mistake of some sort.

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 2):
Don't forget RNOMSP on weekends with E175s starting in June and ending in September--from the Minnesota Aviation thread. Don't think it's been loaded yet, but still mentionable.

I actually try to leave out things that have been announced already, but are just hitting OAG. I've run afoul of the moderators by posting it again just because it is now in OAG.

As for RNO-MSP, I didn't see it but I don't look at changes of less than daily unless I happen onto it by random chance. OAG is so vast I have to put in a lot of restrictions to get the data dump down to something manageable.  Smile


User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 11025 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 3):
I actually try to leave out things that have been announced already, but are just hitting OAG. I've run afoul of the moderators by posting it again just because it is now in OAG.

There's no press release about it, but there was a news article online that was linked. So I guess DL will make yet another big announcement about new routes sometime soon.



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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5303 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 11011 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
DL
LNK-SLC from 0 to 1 roundtrip on a CRJ begins in June
MDW-SLC from 0 to 1 roundtrip on an M90 begins in June

Does anyone remember if these were previously announced. For the life of me I don't remember seeing a press release for either one of these.



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User currently offlineNwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3391 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10978 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 1):
the return of mainline employees facilitates that MDW-SLC flight,

MDW has been staffed with M/L NWA employees all along.

Quoting Enilria (Reply 3):
As for RNO-MSP, I didn't see it but I don't look at changes of less than daily unless I happen onto it by random chance.

FWIW, I have Google alerts set up for both NWA & DL; I received no less than 2 about MSP-RNO service yesterday... They didn't have any specifics (A/C type, times, etc) other than it'd be 1x weekly.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10971 times:



Quoting Nwaesc (Reply 6):
MDW has been staffed with M/L NWA employees all along.

Right, but OH handled DL. Now, DL can bring in as much mainline as they want since it'll be a mainline station.



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User currently offlineNWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3391 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10936 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 7):

Right, but OH handled DL. Now, DL can bring in as much mainline as they want since it'll be a mainline station.

Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification.



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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10921 times:



Quoting OA412 (Reply 5):
Does anyone remember if these were previously announced. For the life of me I don't remember seeing a press release for either one of these.

No press releases at the moment. Great to see dot being connected throughout the DL/NW system. I'm just glad they have a relief valve for ATL and CVG now. If a CVG route is underperfoming, just add or start DTW service! So simple!



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User currently offlineMke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10886 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
DTW-LSE from 0 to 1 roundtrip on a CRJ begins June

Nice, it always good to see service added to some of Wisconsin's smaller airports.



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7648 posts, RR: 27
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10813 times:



Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 10):

Nice, it always good to see service added to some of Wisconsin's smaller airports.

Good, I've always notices a number of double-connects at DTW, headed to MSP, that were flying xxx-DTW-MSP-LSE.

Has NW/DL officially announced any of the adds in a press release?
DTW-FSD
DTW-SNA
DTW-LSE
MSP-RNO
SLC-LNK
SLC-MDW

I think the only one I saw was the start of DTW-FCO.


User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10810 times:

I was looking through NWA's PDF online schedule and I didn't see MEMAMA yet. When does it start? MFEMEM is already shown with CRJs.


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User currently offlineOcracoke From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 10796 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 7):
Right, but OH handled DL. Now, DL can bring in as much mainline as they want since it'll be a mainline station.

But DL has flown mainline aircraft to OH only staffed airports before. GRR for example. So DL could have flown MD90 MDW-SLC before, if they wanted, even with OH handling the flight in MDW.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10765 times:



Quoting Ocracoke (Reply 13):
But DL has flown mainline aircraft to OH only staffed airports before. GRR for example. So DL could have flown MD90 MDW-SLC before, if they wanted, even with OH handling the flight in MDW.

...if there was no other mainline, but they're already flying mainline to ATL (that's another relatively recent change).



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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10740 times:



Quoting DTW.SCE" class=quote target=_blank>PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 11):
Has NW/DL officially announced any of the adds in a press release?
DTW-FSD
DTW-SNA
DTW-LSE
MSP-RNO
SLC-LNK
SLC-MDW

No they have not. I'd expect another press release soon, though.



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User currently offlineOOSLC From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10737 times:

Sweet!!! I always thought LNK was a viable candidate for SLC since so many people fly to OMA.

User currently offlineSteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1688 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10701 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
MSP-BMI from 0 to 1 roundtrip on a CRJ begins June

That's a nice development in addition to NW/DL recently deciding to up the afternoon DTW-BMI-DTW trip to a CRJ. I do think it's interesting, though, that NW originally ran SF3's on PIA-MSP and BMI-DTW, then added PIA-DTW on the CRJ and now BMI-MSP on the CRJ. At the same time, PIA-MSP still operates all-Saab and BMI-DTW just now had one trip changed to CRJ. Not that it REALLY matters, but it does make me wonder if they will eventually go to all-jet service at PIA/BMI or not.


User currently offlineOcracoke From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10548 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 14):
...if there was no other mainline, but they're already flying mainline to ATL (that's another relatively recent change).

Maybe I'm being dense, but I dont understand your point. At GRR, DL had mainline to both ATL as well as CVG (B737-200), and they were handled by Comair, both upstairs and downstairs.
What are you trying to say now regarding MDW, that the SLC-MDW flight is being started because NW mainline employees will be taking over. You've got me confused....


User currently offlineSlcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3545 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10160 times:

MDW should do well with the new 90 route for DL.

DL is really adding NWA high FF base mid-west cities to its list quickly out of SLC. Less backtracking for people thru MSP, these flights with the new NWA base will do well.

DL loves the press releases im surprised there isn't one out already. I'm guessing these were the additional SLC flights delta mentioned were coming? They just added quite a few new flights out of SLC I can't imagine too many more for a while?

[Edited 2009-03-13 16:02:19]

User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7320 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9896 times:



Quoting OA412 (Reply 5):
Does anyone remember if these were previously announced. For the life of me I don't remember seeing a press release for either one of these.

With the smaller cities they often aggregate a bunch into one big release later.

Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
ORD-YXE from 1 to 1 roundtrip on a CR7 begins in June (Saskatoon)

This should have read...my typo...
ORD-YXE from 0 to 1 roundtrip on a CR7 begins in June (Saskatoon).

It is a new route. I don't think it has been announced.


User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7320 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9889 times:

BTW, am I correct that basically the edit function doesn't work any more on a.net?

User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9802 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
DL
LNK-SLC from 0 to 1 roundtrip on a CRJ begins in June
MDW-SLC from 0 to 1 roundtrip on an M90 begins in June

I predict these two will really struggle. MDW-SLC will be dropped very quickly. Why does DL think MDW-SLC can work?? NW brings nothing to that. LNK is a UA town. NW is #2 but distant #2.

Quoting Slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 19):
MDW should do well with the new 90 route for DL.

Based on what????

In reality no mainline carrier except possible MSP-MDW does well at MDW, and we'll see how long that lasts. MDW can get decent yields as a destination, not really as an origin. SLC-MDW will be a origin MDW market, not destination. Yields will stink and I predict even loads will be poor. If UA couldnt make MDW work from its DEN and IAD hubs and AA coudlnt make DFW-MDW work, why would a second tier like SLC work?


User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5303 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9747 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 22):

Care to share why you think SLC-MDW will fail and where you're getting your info that the only mainline route to turn a profit at MDW is MDW-MSP? DL has found reasonable success at MDW, they just seem to be connecting the dots right now. Above and beyond that, SLC has a good amount of O/D to Chicago. This flight will offer and alternative to those travelling between SLC and Chicago who wish to avoid ORD.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15778 posts, RR: 27
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9698 times:



Quoting Steex (Reply 17):
that NW originally ran SF3's on PIA-MSP and BMI-DTW, then added PIA-DTW on the CRJ and now BMI-MSP

All of NW's central Illinois flights used to be Saabs. Also, I recall that NW also had BMI-MSP on Saabs, but I could be wrong. I couldn't tell you when some were upgraded, but I think the Peoria flights were upguaged first.



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25 FlyASAGuy2005 : Starting the route with a 90 is a pretty bold move so they must be getting data from somewhere. I would have expected something a little smaller for
26 Haggis79 : well.... the next smaller plane would be a CR9, unless they want to put NW on the route, in which case a 319 or DC9 might be a possibility... I actua
27 Enilria : MSP-MDW Round 2 ... DING DING I think you are missing the fact that WN flies this 4x per day. This is classic NW (now DL) retaliation. When F9 added
28 Soxfan : I'm probably misreading this, but was JetBlue planning to end service, even seasonally, between Boston and Palm Beach, or was it related to specific
29 Super80DFW : That's because it's MEM-LBB.
30 SLCPDXATL : Very interesting theory, I hadn't thought of that. Gotta love that NW retaliation! Remember when they were sued by Reno air after NW did a bunch of r
31 Nwaesc : NWA also quickly decided that was a bad move, and instead used those 3 slots to operate MSN/DSM/FNT-LGA... Not debunking your theory, just throwing t
32 OA412 : Never mind. Please delete.[Edited 2009-03-13 20:49:36]
33 Enilria : B6 was planning to end flights (per the prior SSIM load), presumably seasonally, but reversed the decision this week. I don't know why it changed. I'
34 USPIT10L : I miswrote it. It's still not in the PDF timetable. When does it start?
35 Enilria : MEM-MFE starts this month and MEM-LBB next month. Don't know days.
36 Slcdeltarumd11 : Delta has found success flying to midway MAINLINE in April it goes to 5xmd90s to ATL. MDW saves them alot of money of operating costs and delays over
37 OMA2FAI2SAV : PIA-MSP used to be CRJ and FWIW as a fueler here in KBMI we have heard that DTW and MSP will be going all CRJ by years end. This of course is as of y
38 BMI727 : Wow, the Avros used to come to Bloomington. When was this? I have no memory of it. Yeah, NW seems to be the smallest of the carriers at BMI by some m
39 OMA2FAI2SAV : IIRC it was 7ish years ago. Back when I was an XJ ramper at BMI. The FL loads have been dropping like a rock. Although, everyones loads have been. UA
40 EXAAUADL : This is true for all airlines. It isnt a cost issue it is a revenue issue. IT is probably FL that keeps DL on MDW-ATL. This exists on SLC too see bel
41 Jkudall : Other new changes for NW/DL include beginning in June (unless otherwise noted): ATL to BGR - discontinued ATL to ELP - 2x M88 up to 2x M88, 1x CR9 ATL
42 EXAAUADL : You know what the loads have been?
43 Panam330 : Wow. Is this their thinnest transcon route ex-ATL (except for RNO)? That's pretty sad to see that they can only support 1x daily during the summer.
44 Post contains links LAXintl : Sure has http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4345341/ And United press releases http://www.united.com/press/detail/0,686
45 BMI727 : Makes sense as AirTran is mostly a leisure airline. Sad to hear about UA leaving, but it isn't surprising. It seems that a lot of midwestern airports
46 KingAir200 : They can never seem to make up their mind on that one. It fluctuates between 1 and 2 daily flights per day a lot. Back up to DC-9 capacity, at least.
47 SNCntry32 : NW flight 415 is an Airbus 319 from MSP RNO loaded into pars for everyones information.
48 Altairf28 : However, unless one of us is adding wrong this is actually a downgrade in number of seats (the upgrade from a CR9 to a D9S on one flight doesn't make
49 N702ML : Oh yes....I am looking at a newspaper article from the Reno Gazette-Journal dated February 25, 1993 titled: "Reno Air Blasts Northwest Plan." Part of
50 Jkudall : Yes, you are right. It will be 10 less seats per day.[Edited 2009-03-14 19:23:41]
51 Enilria : So you basically agree with me. I think it will only inspire WN to raise the ante. DL is doing it only because it is what they/NW have always done. I
52 FlyASAGuy2005 : Seems like I will be pulling the topic further away, but what's Spirit's presence like in Detroit? Have we seen much of any responce from NW over the
53 CompensateMe : Actually, it's been like that for awhile. Not necessarily. NW is now using the D9S designation to apply for the DC-9-30/40/50, so depending on which
54 EXAAUADL : can you tell us what those are? Wn's local market share is always lower than many other airlines because they have so many thru pax. I read that the
55 CIDFlyer : does anyone think DL will add back PNS to MSP or DTW? They ran MSP as daily, sometimes 2x daily, year round, and DTW was Sat only seasonal. I happene
56 Knope2001 : They never flew 8x 757 on MSP-MKE. That was a knee-jerk response to AirTran coming into the market starting in May. It was blindly loaded a few weeks
57 EXAAUADL : No...mergers are precisely for getting rid of markets like that. Why fly PNS-DTW and ovewrfly MEM, ATL and CVG???? Route the traffic thru the ATL hub
58 KingAir200 : Where do they do that? D9S has always been 30/40, and D95 has always been 50. It hasn't changed, to the best of my knowledge. Now, that doesn't mean
59 MSYtristar : Small increase, but an increase nonetheless... MSY-LGA goes all mainline eff. 4/2 (CR9/M88 to 2X M88)
60 NWAESC : I'd like to know that myself... Certainly not in WorldFlight or PARS...
61 Atlanta : I hope it doesn't hurt DL/NW but I like how we're gonna try to fight WN out of our turf. Atlanta
62 CompensateMe : It's gradually changing. For Summer 2009, there are a total of 202 DC-9 departures from DTW, MEM and MSP. Of those, 176 are tagged "D9S" and 23 "D95.
63 Mariner : Ah - market share. The false god of the US legacy airlines. mariner
64 JA : Exactly. You can say you carried almost everyone. I can say I made money. It is a deal I would take any day of the week.
65 Nwaesc : Not as of about 5 minutes ago, it wasn't...
66 KingAir200 : Interesting. I see what you are saying now. If you pull up availability in, say, June, pretty much everything shows as D9S. Personally not a fan, but
67 CompensateMe : That's not the point. If you read the thread, you'd seen that Enilra persists DL's adding SlC/MDW to "attack" WN for MSP/MDW. But if DL already maint
68 Mariner : Basically, I agree with Enilria - don't fall over in shock, Enilria. Adding SLC-MDW isn't to flood the market, it is to send a clear, preemptive shot
69 CompensateMe : It's not. If it were a strike against WN, DL would choose a strong WN route -- not a route in which they've routinely managed around 130-160 passenge
70 Knope2001 : It was clear enough...and I appreciate you posting this stuff. I just thought it was noteworthy enough to point out that although the amended summer
71 Mariner : You can argue with it all you like, but it follows a classic, historical pattern. mariner
72 CompensateMe : No, it doesn't. RenoAir operated MSP/DTW-RNO so NW attempted to inaugurate service from Reno to KEY RenoAir markets of LAX, SEA, SAN. American attemp
73 DeltaL1011man : And you need to look at what Delta does(remember its still Delta that does routes) when they are trying to do it. If it was them trying to hurt WN th
74 CIDFlyer : not sure if this has been mentioned before, but DL will re-start ATL-FSD June 4th. also DL (NW) starts FSD-DTW May 2, this will replace the FSD-CVG fl
75 Mariner : If you can't see the timing of it, then I shrug. They haven't done it before. How long have they been at SLC and at MDW? mariner
76 DeltaL1011man : so? They haven't done LAX-SYD before......is that because UA has ATL-ORD flights? The hub was the old WA hub. I believe DL/WA was in the late 80s. Ma
77 Mariner : With respect, I think that LAX-SYD is a rather different kettle of fish from SLC-MDW. And for all the time they have been there, they haven't seen th
78 DeltaL1011man : yes but DL has been adding into MDW lately on the preNW side. Mainline back to ATL and more LGA flights. LOL true but its the first thing that I coul
79 Mariner : But aren't those routes they already serve? This is a new route (and a fairly obvious one) that they haven't had - until now. I could have justified
80 DeltaL1011man : yes right I mean i understand why people are saying it but I don't think its the right reason. It may be but I would just think DL would A) take it t
81 Mariner : At the risk of flogging this poor ol' horse well beyond death, again, it depends entirely on what they want to achieve - given they know (hopefully)
82 MtnWest1979 : [quote=DeltaL1011man,reply=76]The hub was the old WA hub. I believe DL/WA was in the late 80s. It was April 1,1987. I don't know how long DL served SL
83 Enilria : Well, it's a short term, long term, thing. DL knows that doing whatever they can do to blunt WN's expansion in MSP will pay long term dividends. In t
84 Mke717spotter : That's to bad, I was starting to get excited over the idea of seeing some larger metal at MKE when I saw that a few weeks ago. Guess I'm not that sur
85 EXAAUADL : Did NW actually fly LGA-DFW? I thoguht they cancelled it before it ever flew The best think NW/DL can do to hurt WN in MSP, is clog up the airport wi
86 AirframeAS : It would be nice to see this flying year round instead of seasonally. There is money to be made in the winter months, too.
87 Post contains links Mariner : And clog themselves, too? And I think - or I hope - they're sensible enough to realize that. The mistake that United made at DEN was to think that th
88 AirframeAS : Mariner: Do you think that F9 flying DEN-ANC-DEN x 1 on an A320 year round could work well?
89 Mariner : Year round on the A320? Probably not. DEN-ANC is an off-season problem. Because it does so well for Frontier, a couple of years ago they tried adding
90 AirframeAS : Why did they drop this route at UA? That could probably work. I'd like to see that. I think it would be capable....
91 Post contains images Mariner : For various reasons. ANC was a very expensive station for UA, something to do with staff contracts I believe, but don't quote me on that. It is at th
92 AirframeAS : That makes sense. Thanks for the opinion! I hope we can make ANC year round, only if we have the means to make it work!
93 Enilria : You may be right, but I remember they dropped it after AA withdrew MSP-LGA so it served its purpose. I'm always looking at future schedules so I get
94 CompensateMe : No disrespect, Enilria, but you're noncomprehending things. When NW launched DEN/LAX, they didn't intend on competing and profiting from the flight -
95 Mariner : I thought I made that point. I think Delta/Northwest is being very sensible. I'd probably be with them. Much as I would like to see DEN-ANC as year r
96 Enilria : I think you are missing my point. There are three goals in retaliation. #1 It has to be clear what you are retaliating for, otherwise it is pointless
97 DeltaL1011man : They can't do it at all with out hurting them also. IMO Also they could get the airport to build something really useless but high cost and push fees
98 Enilria : I agree with you, but that was the LGA strategy so it isn't totally left-field. It isn't really workable in a non-slot airport like MSP, however, so
99 Alphascan : I think just about every legacy carrier has made the same error in judgement that is the foundation of your point ---and why it is in error. XXX/ORD
100 Enilria : Interesting that Fornaro did not learn enough in crafting that strategy to beat it himself at FL, rather he lost twice to them in the same market. Le
101 AirframeAS : Don't count on it anytime soon.
102 EXAAUADL : I suspect AA dropped MSP-LGA cuz it was a poor performer, not because NW flew DFW-LGA. NW is such a nonplayer in both DFW and LGA that they would hav
103 DeltaL1011man : IMO BWI,PHX and DAL(once the can) will be next
104 Post contains images Cubsrule :   MDW is a market that is unlike most other markets, though-- ORD included. Conservatively, let's say it serves a market of about 2.5 million. That
105 SNCntry32 : It never did. NW put 757's and even 753's on MSP LGA when AA entered it. Needless to day, AA no longer operates MSP LGA. Will WN be profitable in MSP
106 EXAAUADL : WN wont fly DAL-MSP nonstop. The market isnt that big and it isnt that stimulative. They will serve it one stop via somewhere like MCI or STL. PHX is
107 Enilria : Well, I agree that AA was probably not going to be bullied out of a profitable route as I said similarly above regarding WN, but clearly the intent o
108 EXAAUADL : Then you tell me how big it is PDEW. Fact is, it is not a huge market. It isnt even in the top 10 DFW. AA has 6 daily flights with 30% local or about
109 EXAAUADL : They will serve DAL-MSP onestop via MDW/STL/MCI. The points uniquely served from DAL arent worth enough to justify a nonstop such as AMA/LBB/MAF etc.
110 Iowaman : Along with CLE as well. LAS will likely happen as well, as LAS is the #1 WN station for both flights and destinations. I wouldn't be surprised to see
111 EXAAUADL : MSP-LAS could happen. BWI doesnt offer anything that MDW doesnt offer as far as connections. Unless the BWI-MSP market is big. Obviously there are MC
112 Cubsrule : While MSP-Dallas is no MSP-CHI, it's not a small market either. The numbers I'm looking at put it at about 40% of the size of the MSP-CHI market, or
113 Enilria : I agree with what Cubsrule is I think saying. 650 PDEW may not be the largest market in the country, but it is probably one of the largest markets wi
114 Cubsrule : Is it? The two aren't that far apart, and DFW is at least arguably an easier airport for O&D passengers to navigate.
115 ATLgaUSA : WN does fly between DAL and BHM.
116 EXAAUADL : DAL isnt the preferred airport to anywhere except intra-Texas. Certainly not for DEN. DAL has failed time and time again with new service. The fact t
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