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User currently offlineSampa737 From Brazil, joined May 2005, 637 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10216 times:

I'm curious to know how many cities are shells of the hubs they once were. What airline hubbed in the city? When were they de-hubbed?

Thanks!

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User currently offlineSafetyDemo From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10208 times:

PIT - Pittsburgh, PA - USAirways

The airline started here many moons ago - and these days you'd barely even know they flew there! Most of the flying is RJ ... and most of the gates at the airport are blocked off and empty. I think Concourse D is the busiest concourse now - home to DL, AA, NW and YX. The hub started falling apart after 9/11 and when USAirways was bought by America West, the writing was on the wall. Philadelphia "makes more money" and PIT "doesn't". I think USAirways had around 600 daily flights out of PIT at its height?

What a shame...

-safetyDemo



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User currently onlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2301 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10164 times:

STL for sure, once huge for AA and TWA. Still a hub but no where near what it once was, I think they used to run about 500 flights a day there, now down to 108 Sad

BNA would be another one for AA, they used to hub there and had about 250 flights a day, now they only get AA to DCA, LGA, DFW, STL, MIA, ORD and LAX. Southwest did step up there though, but not to the level at AA once was, I think they only run about 80 flights a day there.

RDU for AA is yet another hub AA shrunk. It was like BNA, had about 250 flights a day or so, now to focus city status, I think they have about 60 flights a day or so, flights to major business destinations along the east coast, as well as to the DFW, STL, ORD and MIA hubs. Of note though they did retain their London flight, used to be LGW, now to LHR.


User currently offlineDutchflyboi From Netherlands, joined Apr 2008, 333 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10145 times:

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User currently offlineBWI5OH From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9978 times:

Although not a shell now, BWI was CLOSE to becoming one. Piedmont and USAir had a huge interest in BWI. They practically owned concourse D, which was expanded in the late 80's and 90's to handle the regionals. Then it was the launch city for Metrojet, which didn't last long. Southwest Airlines started putting a a$$-whoopin' on US in the late 90's, and 9/11 sealed the fate of US Airways at BWI. I remember working there in the months following 9/11, and walking down D concourse was like walking in a ghost city...no flights, no people and no businesses. US refused to give up the gate space until the leases expired on them. Now UA, which used to fly from A concourse, and AirTran pretty much have the run of concourse D, but the regional gates (I think 30-47) are not used much at all.


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16865 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9939 times:

Kansas City - Eastern Air lines

Miami - Eastern Air Lines - Pan Am - United Air lines



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 9878 times:

SYR - Empire>Piedmont>USAir for about 15 minutes

DAY- PI>US

MCI- just about everyone at some point lol

MEM - still a NW "hub"...for Rjs and DL back in the 60s-80s


User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 9816 times:

West pac at COS was one IIRC.


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User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3997 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 9793 times:
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CMH was at one time several years ago a small hub for America West. Loved it. Not too many flights, just the key destinations, which meant no long walks from gate to gate and no extended delays.


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16865 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 9772 times:



Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 10):
West pac at COS was one IIRC.

Absolutely, Western Pacific.


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Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16865 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 9756 times:

Boston - NWA
Las Vegas - National



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineBmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9700 times:

ATL is still a super-active DL hub, though in the 1980s it was also a big Eastern hub.

MIA is more of a shell today mainly as a result of PanAm & Eastern's demise and UA's departure.

YVR is still busy as an AC hub but not as much as the days of CP...

Quoting STT757 (Reply 13):
Boston - NWA

BOS was a NW hub?  Confused



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User currently offlineN702ML From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9688 times:

Republic used to boast that it had more daily departures from Phoenix than any other airline. They also had a sizable operation in Atlanta. Both of those hubs/focus cities were pulled-down prior to the merger with Northwest.

User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9681 times:



Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 2):
BNA would be another one for AA, they used to hub there and had about 250 flights a day, now they only get AA to DCA, LGA, DFW, STL, MIA, ORD and LAX. Southwest did step up there though, but not to the level at AA once was, I think they only run about 80 flights a day there.

American still has a decent (and even large by most stations standards) presence here at BNA despite dehubbing the station a while ago. It's really an important domestic destination for them still to this day actually. That's even more magnified when you think about how WN has between 80 and 90 operations a day here and considers BNA one of their "Focus City's". I think that speaks well to the brand and to the loyalty here. This was reinforced when the Admirals Club re-opened.

FWIW, the AA presence here is in no way "propped" up by any major contracts like it is in some cities that once were a hub for AA. The flights are here because there are enough people traveling on them to warrant them. I know in one thread on here a while back, one poster seemed to think the service here was being subsidized to a certain degree by corporate contracts and that's not the case at all.

Hope this helps.



Nashville, Tennessee KBNA
User currently offline747fan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1187 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9642 times:

Although it is still a DL hub as of now, CVG could definitely be considered a shell of what it once was.
At its peak in 2005, DL operated around 600 flights a day to/from CVG, with well over 100 of them being mainline. There was a large amount of 757 flights there throughout the 90's and early 2000's and even a few domestic 767 flights. DL flew 777's there and AF and Sabena formerly served CVG (Sabena pulled out around 2000, AF I believe in '06).
Fast forward to 2009 and there are only around 40 DL mainline flights with most transcons being operated by 738's rather than 752's (JFK and SLC are the only domestic 757 flights). Additionally Concourse C has been closed and there are well less than 300 flights a day from the hub, which may no longer be a hub a year or 2 from now.
A real shame because I'm a regular spotter there (not much more than an hour drive from my house) and it has a dedicated spotting area with an excellent view of the hub operation.


User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9605 times:

CVG for Delta. I don't think I need to go into to many detais - just a shame that I remember flying a 767-300 on ATL-CVG and remember when CVG had a quite a few domestic widebodies. Now there's no domestic widebodies and only a handful of domestic flights even on 757s.  frown 

User currently offline747fan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1187 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9583 times:



Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 18):
just a shame that I remember flying a 767-300 on ATL-CVG and remember when CVG had a quite a few domestic widebodies.

 checkmark  At one point I remember CVG-BOS having a 763 flight and even CVG-BDL was a 762.


User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7603 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9553 times:



Quoting Lexy (Reply 16):
FWIW, the AA presence here is in no way "propped" up by any major contracts like it is in some cities that once were a hub for AA. The flights are here because there are enough people traveling on them to warrant them. I know in one thread on here a while back, one poster seemed to think the service here was being subsidized to a certain degree by corporate contracts and that's not the case at all.

I believe AA does have a contract for the LAX-BNA flight.



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User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9553 times:

TTN for Eastwind (RIP)

CLE for UA

DEN for Western (RIP)

TUL for Ozark Mk II(RIP)

RDU for Midway Mk II(RIP)

SFB for PanAm Mk IV, Southeast, and TransMeridian (all RIP)


User currently offlineMainliner From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 412 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9465 times:

CO once had hubs at LAX (former headquarters) and DEN (Stapleton).

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 9):
MCI- just about everyone at some point lol

No kidding! Looking at some old route maps, I'm particularly amazed at the presence USAir once had at MCI.

US also had a large operation out of IND in the 1980s, I believe, although not quite a hub.

TWA attempted to build up ATL in the 1980s as well, but this was fairly short lived.



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User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9256 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 17):
I believe AA does have a contract for the LAX-BNA flight.

Trust me, I used to work on Music Row, there isn't a contract. There is a full airplane almost everyother day though. There is alot of demand on BNA-LAX contrary to what most on here would want to think.



Nashville, Tennessee KBNA
User currently offlineWolfpacker From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 354 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9214 times:

RDU was an AA hub for a while and then pulled out. JI took over and then went bankrupt, I worked for JI for the 1st 2 years at RDU.

I honestly think RDU is better off without a hub. WN came in and has a good presence and there are still flights to major cities on other airlines. The airport authority claimed, bought, the old AA/JI terminal and are 1/2 done with a new terminal. I don't think that would have happened if RDU had stayed a hub.


User currently offlineDeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3771 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 9153 times:

To an extent, SJU's pulldown from AA. It doesn't seem the same as it used to down here, especially with the ATR remote stands & the first few gates unused.

Quoting 747fan (Reply 16):
At one point I remember CVG-BOS having a 763 flight

I took that flight in 1998. The same flight originated in MCO as a 763.

I also remember CVG-MCO as an L10 as recently as 1998 or 1999.



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User currently offlineEDICHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 9114 times:

MAN and to a lesser extent GLA for BA

BA until fairly recently had an extensive network out of MAN. GLA also had in the past a fairly extensive network though more domestic in nature than that at MAN.


User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 9105 times:

MAN - British Airways  duck   bomb 

25 IMissPiedmont : Though somewhat before "hubs" became common, ELP had as many CO flights as IAH.
26 EXAAUADL : STL is a shell o fits former self.....Anyone know what the combined peak departures per day were for TW and OZ ? How about just TWA? I would guess the
27 EDICHC : Just what I was thinking Swiftski! Let the flaming commence!
28 AirNovaBAe146 : YHZ: C6, Eastern Provincial
29 Viscount724 : Nobody has yet mentioned AA's hub at SJC, established soon after they took over Air California in 1986. I believe they closed that hub sometime in the
30 Nwaesc : I don't know if I call it hub in the same way one would MSP or DTW, but it certainly had a lot of flights-both domestic and international.
31 COERJ145 : LAS for US/America West. They used to have a major presence there with a night flight bank of departures to many west coast cities(leave @ midnight ar
32 N702ML : I am suprised no one has mentioned a fairly recent and major de-hubbing that occurred.... All these references to Delta slowly de-hubbing Cincinnati..
33 AUSisAwesome : AUS was almost a small focus city for AA. With XE (ExpressJet Airlines) pulling out and suspending their own actual airline, AA pulled most of their m
34 Nkops : I think in today's terms it would be considered a focus city.. I remember thay ran flights to Florida and several int'l flights.. plus, Airlink (Nort
35 STT757 : It was the early '90s, after Eastern shutdown.
36 N62NA : Respectfully, if we were to follow this logic, we could say EWR is a shell of what it used to be because CO dominates EWR and all the other airlines
37 Mainliner : Didn't US try to establish a small hub in FLL in the late 90's? If not there, then somewhere in Florida. Ah yes, thank you! How about Delta's operatio
38 RW170 : US opened a hub at IND in the late 80's/early 90's, and closed it down by '94 or '95. Didn't last long. They had non-stops to the other hubs of the t
39 RW170 : They tried to build a Latin America gateway there back around '04 with non-stops to Latin America and the Carribean, but it didn't work. They backed
40 Dutchflyboi : I forgot HNL for Continental LGA and IAD for New York Air
41 SNCntry32 : I think after the NW pilots lost the 76 seat scope clause, you could agrue that MSP was a shell of what it once was, in no way dehubed or major flight
42 ItalianFlyer : Oh yea...DCA for NW in the early 90s....they bought EAL's slots and some planes...at once point occupied most of the banjo @ DCA. Speaking of EAL...th
43 KBUF : If memory serves, AA used to have a large presence at BUF back in the day. Of course, only MQ flies to BUF now as far as AA's ops are concerned. My, h
44 AirNovaBAe146 : The USAir executive who was behind that push from FLL to Latin America and the Caribbean was Ben Baldanza, who became Spirit's CEO. Make sense now?
45 COSPN : What about the EA terminal at TPA is it still there ???
46 Slcdeltarumd11 : SYR was a hub? Where were flights to?
47 LASOctoberB6 : I think I cried that day. I knew a bunch o' folk who worked for N7.. It was back in the day..
48 CO777DAL : RNO hub for Reno Air bough by AA and now pretty much abandoned
49 Piper31 : Eastern Airlines had a small hub at Charlotte (KCLT) in the late 70's through the mid 80's. They pulled the plug when they started the downward spiral
50 EWRandMDW : PE and NY had hubs at EWR before CO took them over. PI, EA and NW (yes, NW!) had substantial operations at EWR, PI had close to 100 departures, EA had
51 EXAAUADL : I dont know how much of a hub it was, just a large station, since most flights went west. I know they did serve MSP. Did UA ever operate a hub in MCO
52 EXMEMWIDGET : LAX for WA and then DL after the merger in 1987.
53 Post contains links and images OzarkD9S : Pride Air had a hub at MSY through most of 1985, that company came and went pretty fast. WN of course has more flights now at MSY than Pride Air ever
54 JETA1863 : I recall when DL had tons of mainline and connection flights out of DFW from the main and satellite terminal. Alas, a few RJ's and a few mainline's a
55 ItalianFlyer : True, there was not much flying east of DEN but it was WA's inter-mountain anchor and jumping point to LGW from the mid/late 70's to about 1982...whe
56 Jayce : I don't believe they do. CP had more routes to Asia as well as more connections to the US. Right before they went under, they were looking to triple
57 EXAAUADL : Oh come on!!!!! AC definitely has more flights than CP ever did. Think of all the flights they had before CP went under on top of what theyve added s
58 Thestooges : I was just going to add this myself, I'm surprised that someone else remembers this as well !!! They used to have annual open days at DCA in the earl
59 ItalianFlyer : I did some research and stand corrected. It was Midway I that bought the EA gates and a handful of DC9s right before the shutdown...US then purchased
60 Jayce : I don't know, remember that CP served all the Asian destinations that AC serves from YVR plus TPE, NGO, KIX (recently discontinued by AC) and BKK. Th
61 Tommy767 : UA had bases and much larger presences at JFK/EWR/MIA/MCO during the 1990s. US at DAY/SYR/IND/MCI/PIT/BWI DL at DFW TWA at ATL (early 90s)
62 PHKLM : MXP for AZ... The message you were about to post is too short and probably not of any higher value to the topic at hand.
63 Grimey : What about SNN? EI has nearly pulled out of it. Grimey
64 Viscount724 : CP never served KIX. That was always an AC route. The Japanese government initially restricted AC's Japan service to KIX since they wouldn't permit m
65 Sampa737 : In the early 80s, UA had a mini-hub, perhaps a focus city in MEM. Would you count that effort? I believe Memphis was the connecting point east to west
66 Post contains links N702ML : Piedmont Airlines operated a hub in Syracuse following its acquisition of Empire Airlines in the mid-1980s. The majority of flights were to major nor
67 Post contains links OMA2FAI2SAV : Acording to Wiki, CP did serve KIX, unless Wiki combined the CP and AC routes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Airlines_destinations
68 Viscount724 : " target=_blank>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadia...tions That Wikipedia list of CP destinations is full of errors. It includes many points never
69 EXAAUADL : The interesting thing about PI's hubs CLT, BWI, SYR and DAY is that they didnt have high frequency between the hubs. BWI and CLT to DAY was like only
70 Vegasplanes : Pro Air in DET - Detroit City Airport. Not a large hub, but a hub no less...now, no commercial service at all. Legend Airlines - DAL Hughes Air West -
71 OzarkD9S : It was, with a CMI-DAY-LGA-UCA routing. Double connection. But you're right about isolated hubs, especially DAY, it was several years into to DAY hub
72 AcNDTTech : Here are 4 that haven't been mentioned (airports - yes; airlines - no(kinda)) EWR - People's Express IAD - Presidential MDW - Midway Express/Metrolink
73 STT757 : That was after they purchased the Pan Am Latin American rights, I think the eventual plan was to try and relocate the Latin American operation from M
74 MtnWest1979 : I wouldn't consider SNA for AirCal/ifornia or SAN for PSA as hubs. Not like they did a lot of connections thru either, mostly O and D, and isn't part
75 STT757 : Kiwi- EWR Carnival - FLL Independence Air - IAD
76 Post contains links SierraAir : I think you can call it a hub, considering Northwest did. As a matter of fact, they still show remnants of that with their airport map. It hasn't bee
77 FX1816 : That is an interesting perspective but I would have to kindly disagree as AirCal did have a hub at SNA and PSA did have a hub at SAN. They did not ha
78 MtnWest1979 : I have a lot of good memories of old ONT. My dad and I would fly down each January to see his mom and we would go UA BOI-SFO then WA to ONT. Return w
79 FlyCaledonian : LGW for BA hasn't been mentioned. LGW is fast becoming a 'focus city' style operation with point-to-point leisure flights. The shorthaul fleet will be
80 ItalianFlyer : Aloha had a hub at SNA too...right up to the bitter end.
81 TWA1985 : For ORD I can think of a few Airlines that used it as a hub/focus city: Ozark (Until the early 80's) Eastern (Mid to late 80's) Republic (Until April
82 MtnWest1979 : A hub?!?! I doubt 3 or 4 flights a day constitute a hub. They just had nonstops out to Hawaii and the tag-on service on the mainland. That should be
83 ItalianFlyer : There was some tongue and cheek involved here that was lost in translation However Aloha did refer to it as a "hub".
84 FX1816 : You know I didn't even think about that but yes you are right ExpressJet did have a hub and MX base at ONT for the year plus of their branded operati
85 EXAAUADL : My 1986 OAG shows CLT-DAY 2x daily with 73S but one flight leaves CLT at 0720 so no connections possible in CLT. Also BWI-DAY was one daily flight wi
86 EXAAUADL : Dont forget Britt. They operated longer as an independent in ORD than any other airline. I flew then in 1988 as BRITT, not affiliated with UA or AA.
87 MtnWest1979 : Ok, I got ya. Funny they thought that. Perhaps one could xfer between the mainland-SNA-Hawaii flights. I would assume they scheduled as such. Too laz
88 Josh32121 : DL used to have a significant operation out of ORD in the 1970's and early 1980's (not sure if it would qualify as a hub since they didn't have any de
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