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Fare Wars Brewing On Los Angeles -Sydney Route.  
User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9758 times:

Qantas LAX-SYD for as low as $299. I wonder if United, V-Australia and soon Delta will match Qantas' "traveler stimilus" offer. I know Delta already begun advertising SYD on the NY Times and Los Angeles Times

I have never seen fares that low on what was until now a very lucrative route.


http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/090314/20090314005003.html?.v=1

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User currently offlineAtlanta From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 473 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9707 times:



Quoting Juventus (Thread starter):
Qantas LAX-SYD for as low as $299.

$299?! What happened to near $20,000 prices on QF?

Quoting Juventus (Thread starter):
Delta will match Qantas' "traveler stimilus" offer



Quoting Juventus (Thread starter):
I know Delta already begun advertising SYD on the NY Times and Los Angeles Times

Does anyone have any insight on what DL's fares will be?

Atlanta



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User currently offlineJKJ777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 398 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9646 times:



Quoting Atlanta (Reply 1):
Does anyone have any insight on what DL's fares will be

Well, after a quick check of a random date, the fare was $678 plus taxes. Even the business class fare did not seem that bad ($5,788). That is leaving on a Wednesday and returning on a wednesday (July 8-15). I saw that price and my heart sank because I want to go sooooooooooo bad. Too bad I have a wedding coming up and cannot take that time off. Maybe some time.


User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3596 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9660 times:

It looks to me from a quick Travelocity search of random dates that QF is just matching the prices of the competition. The fare wars on this route started several weeks ago, along with all routes to "down under".

User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9655 times:



Quoting Atlanta (Reply 1):
$299?! What happened to near $20,000 prices on QF?

SYD-LAX was Qantas' lucrative route, I think that'll probably change with 4 airlines on the route.

$20,000?? aren't you exagerating a little bit there??


User currently offlineAtlanta From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 473 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 9585 times:



Quoting Juventus (Reply 4):
$20,000?? aren't you exagerating a little bit there??

I remember when QF had first class prices at or above $20k. But that was before the world economy tanked.  old 

Atlanta



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User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3224 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 9553 times:



Quoting Juventus (Reply 4):
$20,000?? aren't you exagerating a little bit there??

Not at all... purchasing a business or first ticket DEPARTING AUSTRALIA was always more expensive then the same ticket in the other direct (both required return tickets) and yes, it was nearly $20K up the front! $16 in business to JFK even!

So far Ex-Australia QF are still about $100 more then V Australia in economy, and in Business Qantas are still as expensive as ever at $14 000 to Lax (you can get it a little cheaper through an agent then direct of QF, but not anything like the half price of that V Aust are offering.

It would seem QF is determined to keep it's ex-Aust fares as high as possible and discount more aggressively to the north american end.


User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 9512 times:



Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 6):
It would seem QF is determined to keep it's ex-Aust fares as high as possible and discount more aggressively to the north american end.

If QF is doing this they are clearly going after DL not V-Australia. DL will be very very dependent on US traffic going to Australia. V-Australia the opposite.

I wonder if QF will put A380s on LAX-SYD (have they done so already?) so get lower CASMs


User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4880 posts, RR: 37
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 9471 times:



Quoting JKJ777 (Reply 2):
Even the business class fare did not seem that bad ($5,788).

That's cheap!

Quoting Juventus (Reply 4):
$20,000?? aren't you exagerating a little bit there??

No way, QF 1st class was indeed that costly. And business could be almost $12-14,000. Even UAL could be $12,000 in business - and we all know what they were like for reliability and dependability at those times.

It was and still is a rip-off.


User currently offline767ER From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1092 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 9416 times:



Quoting Cpd (Reply 8):
No way, QF 1st class was indeed that costly. And business could be almost $12-14,000. Even UAL could be $12,000 in business - and we all know what they were like for reliability and dependability at those times.

It was and still is a rip-off.

True indeed.

I recently nabbed a J fare SYD AKL LAX on NZ for 6K which is a bargin from 12k

Who would be mad enough to pay 12K on UA??



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User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4880 posts, RR: 37
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 9405 times:



Quoting 767ER (Reply 9):
Who would be mad enough to pay 12K on UA??

I suspect it was more to do with the cosy closed routes we had at those times - UA and QF could get away with ridiculous pricing.

You had QF, UA and NZ - that was it pretty much, unless you wanted to take a circuitous route through Asia on JAL or someone else.


User currently offline767ER From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1092 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 9287 times:

2 really if you think about non stops.....OF and UA as many people hate the stop in AKL, though personally it doesn't bother me.


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User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3224 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 9250 times:



Quoting 767ER (Reply 11):
2 really if you think about non stops.....OF and UA as many people hate the stop in AKL, though personally it doesn't bother me.

NZ used to compete more effectively when Brisbane and Melbourne people didnt have non-stop flights to lax. The hassel of dealing with Sydney ment it was often just as easy if not easier to simply go via auckland, particularly from melbourne were UAL used to fly MEL-AKL-LAX as a single flight.

I really wonder how they'll be effected by all of this. NZ has a great product, one that I really like BUT... they're not going to be competitive with V Australia nonstop service.


User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3135 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 9118 times:



Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 12):
they're not going to be competitive with V Australia nonstop service.

Could NZ buy V Australia?.......................ABSOLUTELY................Que Gary Toomey.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25560 posts, RR: 86
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 9094 times:
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Quoting Cpd (Reply 8):
It was and still is a rip-off.

Oh, I dunno. At least some airlines were making money at those prices, rather than just being in existence to subsidize el cheapo tourists.

mariner



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User currently offlineTayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1134 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 9093 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 7):
I wonder if QF will put A380s on LAX-SYD (have they done so already?) so get lower CASMs

A380s have been flying from MEL & SYD since October.


User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9053 times:

So, when V Australia gets their 7th or 8th 777, and DL decides that Americans would like to visit New Zealand as well, perhaps it will be our turn.

V Australia still needs to establish a reputation at the American end of the route. They can use publicity stunts to get noticed. Some connections onto some carriers, and we hear they are just waiting till Virgin America to get their AiRes system compatible with the system used by other airlines.


User currently offlineDitzyboy From Australia, joined Feb 2008, 722 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 8936 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 7):
I wonder if QF will put A380s on LAX-SYD (have they done so already?) so get lower CASMs

LAX was QF's first 380 market. MEL-LAX, then SYD-LAX three days later.


User currently offlineJbernie From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8658 times:

This really has the wife & I seriously considering a trip this year... wasn't considering one till late next year with a possible move to SYD but maybe visit this year cheap and then move in 2011.

hmmm!


User currently offlineBjwonline From UK - England, joined Mar 2007, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8410 times:



Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 6):
It would seem QF is determined to keep it's ex-Aust fares as high as possible and discount more aggressively to the north american end.

This could be QF thinking that out of the 4 airlines soon to be serving the route, it is more likely either of the two from the North American end (UA or DL) will drop out first from the low fare pressure.


User currently offlineSpeedbrds From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8113 times:

Interesting tidbit. I booked a flight on QF back in November for a May departure for two pax at approx $2100 USD. I checked on QFs website for the same flight and it came to $1650 for two pax. I gave them a call and they will not refund the difference or anything for that matter. I wasn't expecting anything, but apparently customer loyalty is not present with QF.

I have had many other flights with the same problem and they are more than happy to refund the difference. In one case, they upgraded me.

I supposed those days are gone. Maybe next time, I will try V Australia.

Spd.


User currently offlineEmiratesUK From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8062 times:



Quoting Speedbrds (Reply 20):
I booked a flight on QF back in November for a May departure for two pax at approx $2100 USD. I checked on QFs website for the same flight and it came to $1650 for two pax. I gave them a call and they will not refund the difference or anything for that matter. I wasn't expecting anything, but apparently customer loyalty is not present with QF.

Interesting to see that you even tried...

If you purchased a TV one week at say $500 then the following week it was on sale for $300 you wouldnt go back in and demand a refund would you..

Its business, fares can change,,, What does customer loyalty have to do with it? you was happy with the price you paid at the time.



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User currently offlineJetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8009 times:

V Australia www.vaustralia.com is actually cheaper than QF if you go and book a flight. $299 each way plus tax is now expensive


Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
User currently offlineSpeedbrds From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7975 times:



Quoting EmiratesUK (Reply 21):

Actually, as for the TVs and many other items, stores in the US have policies that give you the opportunity to get a refund of the price difference. It's called "price matching" or something to that effect.

Anyway, I did not want to go to Australia, at the time, I wanted to go to Europe because I wanted to generate more miles on BA. Unfortunately, the other person in my party insisted that we go Down Under.

I also know fares change and in my opinion, it doesn't hurt to try. They can always say "No," which they did.


User currently offlineMjzair From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7975 times:



Quoting EmiratesUK (Reply 21):
If you purchased a TV one week at say $500 then the following week it was on sale for $300 you wouldnt go back in and demand a refund would you..

Actually, in the U.S. most stores offer 30 days of price protection that guarantee that if the price goes down, you can get the difference refunded. Some stores even offer this protection up to 90 days on TV's.

Add to that the Orbitz price assurance that says if someone books the same flight you did on Orbitz for a lower price, you will automatically get the difference mailed to you in a check.


25 Juventus : If a group of 5 or more business executives is traveling between the U.S and Australia and you have to put them in business class, then it is definet
26 Jbernie : Your post is a bit vague, when did you check the QF website and see the price difference? Also, who did you actually book the trip through? It seems
27 ManchesterMAN : Well LHR-SYD/MEL/BNE etc is also very hot at the moment with QF/EYCX all running with sub £500 fares at the moment. QF is even offering fares well un
28 Boeing727 : I just plugged in First Class on Qantas' website from JFK to SYD and the total price was over $25,000...ouch. Boeing727
29 AirNz : It has nothing whatsoever to do with 'customer loyality' and that's now bandied about designer fashion when people want something for nothing. They h
30 BMI727 : That's good marketing. In reality it should be the "Richard Branson Just Slaughtered Our Cash Cow" offer.
31 DELTA7478 : I just checked the fares on DL for the 15th of October on DELTA TERM and it price it at 499.00 round trip..
32 WildcatYXU : Who do you mean by the very few? Very few customers? You'd be surprised. Or you mean stores? You'd be surprised again, since it's a SOP for every sto
33 Juventus : Good one, I'll give you that one
34 Iloveboeing : Yes, it is, and that's what the customers should applaud. Times have changed. The airlines need to figure out how to provide good service at affordab
35 Jbernie : Good one! Though I wouldn't put it passed SRB to go with a "We just slaughtered the Qantas cash cow!" promotion.
36 A340Jamaica : I would not be so quick to write off UA on the route. As someone mentioned earlier, the aircraft DL is using on the route does not have the cost econ
37 Mariner : Where has it been done, and when? I can name the major airlines who are making a decent return on investment on the fingers of one hand. All the US l
38 ORDagent : As far as the price match goes. US based airlines do indeed refund the fare difference on most tickets. As a travel agent a fare war meant hours of wr
39 Alangirvan : Well, it may not be Qantas, but Jetstar has done their price guarantee, though the conditions are so strict, you will find it hard to match their flig
40 Cadet57 : Actually, I've done just that, many times. In the US, if you buy an item and it goes on sale at the same store, or you find it cheaper for less at an
41 Haynflyer : V-Australia started the war and Qantas is actually the last to jump in. UA joined just after V Oz announced its fares. At
42 M404 : Perhaps we should start another thread to hear opinions as who will be first to abandon this route or at least radically lower frequencies. Can acft t
43 TransIsland : I was thinking about taking the family to SYD for a few weeks this summer, and from Nassau, DL were easily the cheapest, r/t under $1000, including t
44 DLD9S : The QF advertised price would include the YQ taxes, so if you are pricing in a res system the $299 OW would probably be somewhere between $398-$420 R
45 Cberflyer : I was able to get a nice tour down under booked last week on NZ: DEN-LAX-AKL-SYD-CHC-AKL-LAX-DEN, in their Premium Economy seats upstairs on the 744 o
46 413X3 : where did you sign up for this tour?[Edited 2009-03-16 12:57:14]
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