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Varig 747 At JFK W Landor Livery?  
User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2989 posts, RR: 13
Posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5292 times:
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Are there any shots of a VARIG 747 in Landor livery at JFK? Or had RG phased out the 747 in Landor livery before it flew to JFK?


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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3736 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4916 times:



Quoting VC10er (Thread starter):
Are there any shots of a VARIG 747 in Landor livery at JFK? Or had RG phased out the 747 in Landor livery before it flew to JFK?

Well, I know that the 743 in Landor flew to MIA, but I'm not sure it was regularly. The 744 were phased out before they could be painted in the new livery.


User currently offline4EVERVARIG From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4632 times:

RG had 5 747 300s active by the time the Landor livery was introduced. They were VNI, VNH, VOA, VOB, VOC. The only 2 747s to get the Landor livery were VNI and VNH. According to my records, both VNI and VNH at that time were rotated on flights from GIG/GRU to EZE, MIA, JFK, LAX, NRT until they were all retired from service right before RG collapsed.

User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3736 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4410 times:



Quoting 4EVERVARIG (Reply 2):
until they were all retired from service right before RG collapsed.

No no no, the 743s were phased out either in 1999 or 2000 AFAIK. RG collapsed only in 2006.


User currently offline4EVERVARIG From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4165 times:



Quoting C010T3 (Reply 4):
No no no, the 743s were phased out either in 1999 or 2000 AFAIK. RG collapsed only in 2006

Nope, RG phased out 744s in 2000. As they phased out the 744's, they brought back the 742's for a while and maintained the 743's until 2003 when PP VOC left the fleet officially and RG replaced them with second hand M11's and 763s. Maybe I mispoke with the "right before collapse" comment.


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3736 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4098 times:



Quoting 4EVERVARIG (Reply 5):
Nope, RG phased out 744s in 2000. As they phased out the 744's, they brought back the 742's for a while and maintained the 743's until 2003 when PP VOC left the fleet officially and RG replaced them with second hand M11's and 763s. Maybe I mispoke with the "right before collapse" comment.

The 744s left the fleet in 1994 with the overvaluation of the Yen. PP-VPI in July, PP-VPG and VPH in September.

The last 742, PP-VNA, was phased out in October 1995. All 743s were phased out in 1999, except for PP-VNH, which was phased out in May 2000. PP-VOC went in June 1999.


User currently offlineSBGLexpat From Brazil, joined Oct 2007, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3920 times:



Quoting C010T3 (Reply 6):
The 744s left the fleet in 1994 with the overvaluation of the Yen.

Correct.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 6):
All 743s were phased out in 1999

Correct.

Regards.


User currently offline4EVERVARIG From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3709 times:



Quoting SBGLexpat (Reply 7):
The 744s left the fleet in 1994 with the overvaluation of the Yen. PP-VPI in July, PP-VPG and VPH in September.

The last 742, PP-VNA, was phased out in October 1995. All 743s were phased out in 1999, except for PP-VNH, which was phased out in May 2000. PP-VOC went in June 1999.

The 744's were leased and financed by ILFC and had nothing to do with the overvaluation of the Yen for being returned to the lessor. The 744's were acquired to perform the GRU/JNB/BKK/HKG. The RG 744s were full PAX. Due to poor load factors the 744's were used alternatively to Milan, FRA, CDG, LAX and NRT. Shortly thereafter the 744s were phased out.

The 742s (VNA,VNB) were owned by RG. (VNC) was sold to Matsui and leased back. Shortly after the arrival of the 744's, the 742s were leased to Aerolineas Argentinas, however they were called back when the 744s were returned.

The 743 (VNH) was owned by RG, (VNI) was owned by RG, sold to Wells Fargo Aviation and leased back. (VOA, VOB, VOC) were all leased from Matsui.


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3736 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3655 times:



Quoting 4EVERVARIG (Reply 8):
The 744's were leased and financed by ILFC and had nothing to do with the overvaluation of the Yen for being returned to the lessor.

I do not have profound knowledge of the contracts involving the B744, but they could have still been pegged to the Yen. Though that isn't important at all, since the dates are being asked here.


User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2989 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3397 times:
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Thanks for the shots. She was a beauty.


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User currently offlineRG828 From Brazil, joined Jan 2004, 582 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3363 times:
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Quoting 4EVERVARIG (Reply 8):
were all leased from Matsui.

Don´t you mean Mitsui?

Quoting 4EVERVARIG (Reply 8):
the 742s were leased to Aerolineas Argentinas

I believe only one was leased to Aerolineas, PP-VNA.

Quoting 4EVERVARIG (Reply 5):
Nope, RG phased out 744s in 2000.

I´m quite sure they all left in 1994, check out the database (and other sources,) you wont find any RG 744 shot after that year in any color scheme.

Quoting 4EVERVARIG (Reply 5):
and maintained the 743's until 2003

Same thing here, they left in ´99 and 2000. By 2003 the 747´s were long gone.



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User currently offline4EVERVARIG From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3165 times:



Quoting RG828 (Reply 11):
Don´t you mean Mitsui?

I apologize for the typo...

Quoting RG828 (Reply 11):
I believe only one was leased to Aerolineas, PP-VNA

VNA was leased on a full time basis; VNB was leased on a seasonal basis.


User currently offlineSBGLexpat From Brazil, joined Oct 2007, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2988 times:

Quoting 4EVERVARIG (Reply 8):
The 744's were leased and financed by ILFC and had nothing to do with the overvaluation of the Yen for being returned to the lessor.

Apologies;
What I meant when I quoted C010T3 (Reply 6) was that the 744s were returned in 1994. You are correct when you say their return had nothing to do with the overvaluation of the Yen.

But the overvaluation of the Yen did have a very strong impact and eventually affected the decision to phase out of the B743s (VNH, VNI). As I recall, even after being removed from line operations and parked in GIG, RG was still paying for both frames for a long time. The whole deal was a major blow to the airline's finance. It all started with the Brazilian government moratorium which caused credit to be very scarce and only Japanese banks to finance the deal; other developments turned the whole thing even worse with exchange rates doubling the final price of the jets.

Regards.

And by the way, yes, the 744 left RG in 1994, and all others in 99/00.

Regards again.

[Edited 2009-03-18 13:35:25]

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