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Air Canada Looking At CSeries  
User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9909 times:

http://lapresseaffaires.cyberpresse....7-air-canada-lorgne-la-cseries.php

Air Canada is looking at both versions (110 seats and 130 seats) of the CSeries , having in sight to replace older A319s and A320s.As the oldest A319 is only 11 years , probably an order is not imminent.Perhaps they also wait for the larger version , Bombardier has on their radar.Probably also , they will not reorder any E Jets anymore , if they go CSeries.

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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9897 times:

Your press release is in French......


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User currently offlineSandyb123 From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2007, 1105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9887 times:
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All the mock-up interiors I have seen has 5 abreast seating in Economy, although it looks very spacious. Will the C series go into production with 5 or 6 abreast seating?

Sandyb123



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User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9840 times:

Will it be like the 146 which can be 5 seats across or 6 if you want? Perhaps this could be a difference between Premium Economy and Standard seats.

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 9772 times:

There was an English language article same topic in one of the weekend newspapers. It did not say that AC was looking actively at the C-series; merely that the 32x fleet was aging and would be replaced in due course, and that (of course) the C-series would be looked at.

Nothing of substance. More of a non-article. Slow news weekend I guess. The writer also had his facts wrong....saying that AC ordered the E195.

It would actually make sense for AC to order the E195 to replace some early 320's, but that is another topic for another day.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25170 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9658 times:



Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 3):
Will it be like the 146 which can be 5 seats across or 6 if you want? Perhaps this could be a difference between Premium Economy and Standard seats.

It's 5-abreast only from everything I've seen. Not wide enough for 6.


User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9648 times:



Quoting Sandyb123 (Reply 2):
Will the C series go into production with 5 or 6 abreast seating?

I thought it was 6 abreast??? 3x3??



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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4772 posts, RR: 43
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9636 times:

i wouldnt be surprised at all if Ottawa pressurizes AC to place a large C Series order to help boost the program which in turn would provide additional employment to Canadians.

Ottawa might also play this same card with other countries hoping to win some brownie points with Canada or gain more air access to/from Canada.


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 970 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9629 times:



Quoting Sandyb123 (Reply 2):
All the mock-up interiors I have seen has 5 abreast seating in Economy, although it looks very spacious. Will the C series go into production with 5 or 6 abreast seating?



Quoting Lexy (Reply 6):
I thought it was 6 abreast??? 3x3??

5-abreast in economy. It's never been 6-abreast

http://www.bombardier.com/en/aerospa...aft/comfort?docID=0901260d800091fd


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25170 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9628 times:



Quoting Lexy (Reply 6):
Quoting Sandyb123 (Reply 2):
Will the C series go into production with 5 or 6 abreast seating?

I thought it was 6 abreast??? 3x3??

The C series has always been a 5-abreast design.
http://www.bombardier.com/en/aerospa...aft/comfort?docID=0901260d800091fd


User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9610 times:

I stand corrected. It's 5 abreast. My apologies fellas.


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User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2178 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9565 times:
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Quoting FCKC (Thread starter):
Probably also , they will not reorder any E Jets anymore , if they go CSeries.

Don't they have deposits for the 30 or 45 x E190 options? Are they refundable?

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 4):
It would actually make sense for AC to order the E195 to replace some early 320's,

Aren't they a tad small for that? The AC E190 has only 93 seats, the E195 would only have 105-110 seats and less range than the E190.

The A319 has 120-ish seats and transcon range. It would take the CS300 to replace the A319. And then what do AC replace the A320 and A321 with?



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User currently offlineFlyyul From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4976 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9274 times:

In order for the C-Series to be a legitimate replacement for the 319. it would need to prove it can fly the range required for YYZ-BGI, YYZ-CCS, YUL-SFO routes.

User currently offlineCYXUK From Canada, joined Mar 2009, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9265 times:



Quoting Behramjee (Reply 7):
i wouldnt be surprised at all if Ottawa pressurizes AC to place a large C Series order to help boost the program which in turn would provide additional employment to Canadians.

Definently possible, this kind of this happens all of the time.


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7062 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9187 times:



Quoting Behramjee (Reply 7):
gain more air access to/from Canada.

Expect an Emirates order soon  Smile

Joke aside I do hope for AC and other to order the CSeries it is a great aircraft and it would be a good chance to catch up to Airbus and Boeing.



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User currently offlineBoeingluvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8900 times:

Why not 73G's?? Commonize the wide and narrow body fleets, which in the future will consist of just 777 and 787 types for WB's. This would help cut cost I would think... They are economical and have a longer life than the Airbus fleet as it is my understanding.

User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5085 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8862 times:

I would imagine Boeing, Embraer and Airbus will be fighting hard for the order!


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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8798 times:



Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 11):
The A319 has 120-ish seats and transcon range. It would take the CS300 to replace the A319. And then what do AC replace the A320 and A321 with?

The CS400 and CS500 Big grin


User currently onlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2317 posts, RR: 21
Reply 18, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8751 times:



Quoting Boeingluvr (Reply 15):
Why not 73G's??

That's what I am asking myself too! They recently ordered the 777's to replace their A343/345 fleet, why not 73NG's (73NG/738) to replace the Airbuses? Just my two cents...........



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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7062 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8604 times:



Quoting SXDFC (Reply 18):
That's what I am asking myself too! They recently ordered the 777's to replace their A343/345 fleet, why not 73NG's (73NG/738) to replace the Airbuses? Just my two cents...........

Because 737NGs are the same generation aircraft as the A32x and would not bring any benefits to the existing fleet while the CSereis would offer new engine technology and new materials like a composite fuselage that would lead to a lower fuel burn.
Also the CSeries -is a Canadian product other than Boeing and Airbus and would an order by AC would show confidence in a "homemade product" and the chances are high that an AC woudl attract other customers so Bombardier will very likely make AC a good deal.
I also can imagine that AC has no interest in becoming an all Boeing airline - they always had a good mix of different manufacturers (Airbus, Boeing, McDonnel Douglas, Lockheed).
AC seems to be very satisfied with the A32x family especially the A320 and A321. If I recall correctly they are even thinking on replacing the 767-200 on some routes with the A321.



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User currently offlineLongHauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4930 posts, RR: 43
Reply 20, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8362 times:

AC looked at the CSeries, just like most airlines looked at the CSeries, it is a new very economical aircraft. But the last thing AC needs right now is another airframe/manufacturer to add to the fleet mix.

Internally, the engineering department stated that they are looking more for an A319/A320/A321 replacement over the next 10 years, rather than just "an A319 replacement in size but not the range" that the CSeries currently represents. In my opinion, that is why Boeing and Airbus have not reacted to the CSeries, as it does not represent a threat to the A320 and B737 series replacements they will eventually design.

Quoting Columba (Reply 19):
Also the CSeries -is a Canadian product other than Boeing and Airbus and would an order by AC would show confidence in a "homemade product" and the chances are high that an AC woudl attract other customers so Bombardier will very likely make AC a good deal.

AC did purchase the CL-65 in the mid 1990's and it was a very good aircraft for them, but as AC is a private corporation they have shareholder obligation to purchase the best aircraft for the company ... not the best Canadian aircraft for the company.

AC, has a very long history of being urged to purchase aircraft types for political reasons, rather than engineering reasons, and usually they resist. The first was the DC-4M2 North Star .... and it was not a good choice! Shoot, I recall AC (actually it was TCA then) being told to purchase the CL-44 turboprop, rather than the DC-8-54 ... as the press said a turboprop would be more than competitive on international routes!!! Imagine what a disaster that would have been.



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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7062 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8345 times:



Quoting LongHauler (Reply 20):
AC did purchase the CL-65 in the mid 1990's and it was a very good aircraft for them, but as AC is a private corporation they have shareholder obligation to purchase the best aircraft for the company ... not the best Canadian aircraft for the company.

I did not say that, I said Bombardier has a great interest in winning AC as a customer and will very likely make a good offer to AC.



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User currently offlineLongHauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4930 posts, RR: 43
Reply 22, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8291 times:



Quoting Columba (Reply 21):
I did not say that, I said Bombardier has a great interest in winning AC as a customer and will very likely make a good offer to AC.

I am sure Bombardier did. That is the game they and all airframe manufacturers must play. And with the huge governmental cash bailouts they have received, I am sure Bombardier has the resources to do just that. However, if it is not the aircraft you want or need, price becomes irrelevant.

That is why AC bought the Embraer, it was/is the aircraft they need. Much like most airlines, I think you will see AC step up to the plate when Airbus and Boeing design their A320 and B737 replacements.



Never gonna grow up, never gonna slow down .... Barefoot Blue Jean Night
User currently offlineBeechnut From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 725 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8266 times:



Quoting Columba (Reply 19):
If I recall correctly they are even thinking on replacing the 767-200 on some routes with the A321.

The 767-200s are all gone now. While they haven't ordered any more A321s, at least on domestic routes the 767-200s have been replaced by the 767-300 (upgauge) or A321 (downgauge).

As for the "buy Canadian" thing, I think AC has a pretty good reputation for avoiding that sort of nonsense. They buy the machine that fits the mission. There may have been a lot of nonsense among the politicians around the A320 purchase but the fact is, if you compare the A320 to its contemporary in 1988 (the B737-300/400 and MD-80), AC still ended up with the superior product as the B737s could not meet the requirement of taking a full payload westbound in winter from YUL to YVR non-stop.

Beech


User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3099 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7833 times:



Quoting LongHauler (Reply 20):
But the last thing AC needs right now is another airframe/manufacturer to add to the fleet mix.

How would Bombardier be a new manufacturer for AC? The already have Bombaridier planes in their fleet.....


25 LongHauler : Not at AC, not for a few years.
26 Beechnut : Well, no they don't. All the CRJs and Dash 8s are in the Jazz fleet. Separate AOC, so technically, a separate airline. I wouldn't discount the possib
27 Gr8Circle : Well, okay....but what I mean is that it's not an entirely new manufacturer for them, someone whom they've never dealt with before, etc.....and altho
28 Pnwtraveler : I had known that AC was looking carefully at the C series hence my comment in the LH thread about the "rumour". There is a big gap now between the A32
29 LongHauler : Jazz IS an entirely separate entity, completely different company, and other than a Capacity Purchase Agreement, not at all related. The two big issu
30 EXAAUADL : So long as there is no rapid decompression, they should be fine
31 Astral : I doubt AC could really have the financial ability to order new aircraft in today's economical condition, at least not in 2009 or even in 2010. Replac
32 Chinook747 : and....translate it..I am sure you can figure it out! or...YYC-MEX/YEG-MEX, YYZ-MEX
33 YVRLTN : Maybe I have misunderstood what you mean, but if AC need to address the gap between A321 & B763, plus replace the A32S, how does the C-Series fit in
34 Hjulicher : How does the C series compare to the Sukhoi Superjet. They seem pretty familiar, and are designed similarly. Are there any striking differences betwee
35 Yellowtail : The C Series would be an ideal aircraft to open up more YYZ-N American routes as well as YZZ - Caribbean routes.
36 Threepoint : Already done. And some routes on which they operate the 321 (YVR-YOW comes to mind), would do well with a larger airplane still. Assuming their busin
37 Viscount724 : The original point was about Bombardier being a new manufacturer for AC, and they would not be new. AC mainline purchased and operated about 26 CRJ-1
38 Pnwtraveler : The transfer of the CRJ was for scope reasons. Jazz pilots also got the later 705. AC Pilots got the E175/190.
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