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Status Of SJU For AA - Is It Still A Hub?  
User currently offlineAlitaliaDC10 From Australia, joined Dec 2008, 240 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6032 times:

I know AA cut buck on flights out of SJU, but is it still a hub for AA or just now a focus city? Sorry if this has been discussed before but I couldn't find it in search function.


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User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1141 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5934 times:

Well if you consider the connections between AA/AE in SJU to/from the islands; both AA/AE still have a large number of fights in SJU. AA dominates the traffic in SJU more than any other airline. AA transports thousands of passengers each day to/from SJU. The Admirals Club is still there and AA has its exclusive terminal in SJU. It is definitely not what if used to be in the early/mid 1990s when AA operated more than 70 daily jet departures out of SJU (DC10/A300/757/72S). AA has cutback in PR (SJU) as well as in SDQ; part of the overall crisis and airline's financial woes. jetBlue has absorbed most routes AA cut from SJU and now has nearly the same number of daily departures from SJU as AA (jets). Hopefully when the economy improves AA will rebuild the hub to some extent. The government of PR (Puerto Rico) is also trying to generate tourism and provide incentives to the airline(s). A little too late...they are also to blame for AA cutbacks in SJU.

User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1141 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5927 times:

I guess SJU should be called a focus city...still by far, AA's largest operation in the Caribbean. AA operates daily nonstops from SJU to MIA, TPA, DFW, LAX, BWI, PHL, BDL, JFK, BOS, ORD, CCS, SDQ and AE flies to the islands. Between 20/23 AA departures per day and around 50 AE per day.

User currently offlineSoxfan From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5866 times:

I think a focus city is a good term...perhaps it could be called a "regional hub" with its numerous MQ flights to the islands, or a "Caribbean" hub, to be creative  Smile


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User currently offlineSKYYBLUE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5842 times:

At its peak, where else did AA mainline fly to from SJU?

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16885 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 5817 times:



Quoting SKYYBLUE (Reply 4):
At its peak, where else did AA mainline fly to from SJU?

EWR, RDU, BNA, STX, STT, SXM, ANU, AUA, BGI, FLL, MCO, IAD.



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User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1141 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5613 times:

When the hub was inaugurated in the late 80s, early 90s...AA also flew SJU-SYR-BUF, SJU-YYZ, SJU-YUL, SJU-POP, SJU-ATL all on 727-200s; those routes did not last too long maybe a year or so. AA jets also flew from SJU to UVF and POS.

AA had around 400 FAs based in SJU, PR until 1998; the FA based existed for a good 25yrs. Now only American Eagle has a FA base in SJU plus pilots too. Ah! The good times...


User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5589 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 5):

EWR, RDU, BNA, STX, STT, SXM, ANU, AUA, BGI, FLL, MCO, IAD

Before Eagle went to the southern islands AA operated Jet flights. I remember SJU/GND/SJU arriving at GND at around 1pm operated by 727s and 757s (usually in peak seasons).



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User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7397 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5526 times:

Unless the combination of AA / AE was loosing money, I would really like to know the reason for downsizing the operation, if SJU has not been by passed for direct flights. Many of the smaller Eastern Caribbean islands benefited from the tie in between AA and AE, even for flights just into SJU and not onward to the US. B6 and others can offer lift into SJU, but without a tie in with AE, pax would have to bear the additional cost, for flights on mainline competitors like DL or CO, one could certainely get thru fares into the islands via SJU. A few islands would like direct flights, and the way they get them is by offering airlines rebates for service if the demand is not there, so far this type of arrangement seems to have mostly short term benefits.

I recently had family visit from GND and they were scheduled both ways via SJU, however, their return was delayed in Miami and the subsequently got a direct flight, which I did not know existed. I looked it up and AA runs a B-738 on an overnight run with a tie in to one of the hotels on the island, if this is done for more of the smaller islands, it may explain why they SJU was downsized, I certainely hope it is cheaper.


User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1141 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5399 times:

AA downsized SJU as part of the complete restructuring and cost cutting. SJU was bleeding money too...the government of Puerto Rico is to blame for that too.

User currently offlineAlitaliaDC10 From Australia, joined Dec 2008, 240 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5304 times:

Thanks guys for the fantastic and highly informative replies...really appreciate it.


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User currently offlineAAJFKSJUBKLYN From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 911 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5052 times:

With the new Terminal at SJU, and open the whole BA/AA/IB connection hopefully coming, I think AA's cut's out JFK to SJU makes sense now. SJU is trying to attrack Euro carriers with their new terminal. There was a lot of connection traffic in JFK, MIA from EU carriers onto AA into SJU. Anyone else feel this was a second reason for scaling back SJU with regards to AA?

User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2389 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5007 times:



Quoting AAJFKSJUBKLYN (Reply 11):
Anyone else feel this was a second reason for scaling back SJU with regards to AA?

Apparently airport fees with the Puerto Rican government. They have had these problems several times already between AA and the PR port authority.

Also, MANY routes were completely dropped due to loss of money on them. B6, NK, and FL all have come and taken over routes in which AA can't make a profit, but others can. FLL, MCO, and EWR are prime examples. The only way AA could break barely even was to operate three A300s and flood the market with many seats. FLL/MCO are pretty much low fare territory, and only airlines with low cost structures can make it work.

But on the bright side we do have B6 now operating PSE, BQN, and SJU! AA pulled out of those destinations way before B6 was in the picture.



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User currently offlineDfwagt From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 83 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4745 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 5):


Quoting SKYYBLUE (Reply 4):
At its peak, where else did AA mainline fly to from SJU?

EWR, RDU, BNA, STX, STT, SXM, ANU, AUA, BGI, FLL, MCO, IAD.

Don't forget LAX


User currently offlineElmothehobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4667 times:



Quoting Dfwagt (Reply 13):
Don't forget LAX

American still flies Los Angeles - San Juan. It was dropped and then restored to the schedule.


User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2888 posts, RR: 31
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4391 times:

San Juan is no longer an AA hub, but it certainly remains an important focus city for the airline akin to BOS.


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33086 posts, RR: 71
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4382 times:



Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 15):
San Juan is no longer an AA hub, but it certainly remains an important focus city for the airline akin to BOS.

San Juan is still an American Airlines hub, as already mentioned in this thread.



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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4360 times:

I meant to ask this back in November when I flew into SJU but forgot and now that I've flown American Eagle twice through SJU in the past two weeks I've remembered.

What was the reason for American Eagle moving their flights from the ramp space to the left of the American terminal to the end of the concourse taking up gate space? Was it simply due to the reduction in American/American Eagle flights meaning there was more gate space available?

I'm off to check in for what will most likely be my last American A300 flight this morning, SJU-JFK.

[Edited 2009-03-23 01:46:46]


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4318 times:



Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 17):
What was the reason for American Eagle moving their flights from the ramp space to the left of the American terminal to the end of the concourse taking up gate space? Was it simply due to the reduction in American/American Eagle flights meaning there was more gate space available?

Because it makes sense to use their unused gates at their terminal due to the many connections available at SJU.
Some connections available to the U.S. mainland out of SJU include:
AE still operates SJU-BGI 3x weekly, SJU-GND 3x weekly, and SJU-POP 3x weekly. AE SJU-ANU, SJU-FDF, SJU-LRM, SJU-POS, SJU-PTP, SJU-SDQ, SJU-SKB, and SJU-STI will soon operate daily. AE SJU-PUJ will operate 2x daily, SJU-SXM will operate 3x daily, and SJU-SLU operates 10x weekly. AE also offer domestic flights to STT and STX. This summer, AE will operate SJU-STT 46x weekly and will operate SJU-STX 49x weekly. AA will maintain daily mainline service to CCS from SJU. And IB will still operate into SJU from MAD 4x weekly.


User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2389 posts, RR: 26
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4166 times:

On the brighter side, B6 is now going to open a base in SJU. That is good news for the island, after NK closed their base a couple of months ago.


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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4005 times:



Quoting SCL767 (Reply 18):
Because it makes sense to use their unused gates at their terminal due to the many connections available at SJU.
Some connections available to the U.S. mainland out of SJU include:

I am very aware of the connections that American Eagle still offers from SJU. I just flew JFK-SJU-DOM and SLU-SJU-JFK.

The connections were still possible when American Eagle was using this ramp space and busing passengers to the terminal:


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Are there any plans to construct a new terminal or terminal extension on the vacant tarmac space? I noticed there was a C-5 parked today on the ex-MQ ramp. Perhaps Cape Air will use it after the new terminal opens?



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 3955 times:



Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 20):
Are there any plans to construct a new terminal or terminal extension on the vacant tarmac space? I noticed there was a C-5 parked today on the ex-MQ ramp. Perhaps Cape Air will use it after the new terminal opens?

Maybe it was the same C-5 recently photographed at CUR. Perhaps LIAT, Anguilla Express and smaller Caribbean carriers will use that space. However, I haven't been through SJU in many years.


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