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Getting Hot Between LON & TLV, LY Adds A Daily STN  
User currently offlineEl Al 001 From Israel, joined Oct 1999, 1063 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2309 times:

Few weeks after BMI announcement of upgrading TLV daily A321 service to double daily A332 services, and in addition to Easyjet's intentions to start serving TLV from September; El Al will offer a 6/w service between TLV & STN from May 3rd.
The flights were loaded yesterday, planned with 762s.
The service will be in addition to the double daily LHR services which are operated with 744s/772s in the upcoming Spring / peak seasons.

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User currently offlineIlyag From Israel, joined Jan 2001, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2251 times:

Good to see U2 coming to TLV - would add LLC options out of there.

The question is if this increase in LON-TLV capacity is really justified. We will have now
1) LY with x2 daily LHR 744/772 and x6 weekly 762 STN
2) BA with x2 daily LHR 772/763
3) BD with x2 daily LHR 332

Instead of
1) LY with x2 daily LHR 744/772
2) BA with x2 daily LHR 772/763

Who is going to loose this? Or TLV is so much underserved that all the players will be able to survive? I noticed that BD is offering good prices on connections to UA via LHR. Is it going to impact LH?

Thanks!


User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4124 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2242 times:

On the other hand, Thomson are dropping their 3x weekly Luton-Tel Aviv flights, operated by 737-800s. Not a massive reduction of capacity, but a reduction of capacity nonetheless.

User currently offlineRichcandy From UK - England, joined Aug 2001, 734 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2211 times:

Didn't LY fly to STN in the past?

User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3762 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2192 times:



Quoting Richcandy (Reply 3):
Didn't LY fly to STN in the past?

Was thinking this as well.


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7303 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2152 times:



Quoting Ilyag (Reply 1):
Who is going to loose this?

Sounds like Mumbai London all over again - stable profitable market gets swamped with capacity, and we all know what happened here - BD were first off the market.

Secondly, the significant charter traffic will get assumed into low cost.

Are EZY planning LTN or LGW for TLV? A significant jewish community lives in North London, right at the end of the M1, so Luton makes a lot of sense.



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User currently offline8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1251 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2117 times:



Quoting El Al 001 (Thread starter):
Few weeks after BMI announcement of upgrading TLV daily A321 service to double daily A332 services

I thought they were just upgrading it to 1 x daily 332? Have they even got enough aircraft to do 2 flights per day?


User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2080 times:



Quoting 8herveg (Reply 6):
I thought they were just upgrading it to 1 x daily 332? Have they even got enough aircraft to do 2 flights per day?

Since they stopped all Manchester Long Hauls they have.


User currently offlineDjb77 From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2063 times:

Yes, LY used to operate to and from STN, I remember seeing their 757s, 767s and 742s at STN in the mid- to late-90s when I regularly travelled from EDI to FRA via STN on Air UK (ah, those were the days). I seem to think that they also operated from STN to JFK or EWR also. If my memory serves me correctly, the flights were evening flights.

User currently offlineEl Al 001 From Israel, joined Oct 1999, 1063 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1979 times:

LY operates STN year round.
A weekly serivce on FRI (no slot at LHR), another 2 weekly flights are operated on peak times (and occasionly ad hocs).
On top of these, LY will now offer a daily morning departure from TLV.

Btw - BA announced today an additional weekly 777 service on THU noon from LHR to TLV.


User currently offlineCOEI2007 From Vanuatu, joined Jan 2007, 1912 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1976 times:



Quoting BestWestern (Reply 5):
Quoting Ilyag (Reply 1):
Who is going to loose this?

BD, just like Mumbai. It was a high yield market up until now, but this flood of seats will drive yields down, and lead to a reduction in services this winter. BA isnt going to let BD take this market from them


User currently offlineEl Al 001 From Israel, joined Oct 1999, 1063 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1909 times:



Quoting BestWestern (Reply 5):
Sounds like Mumbai London all over again - stable profitable market gets swamped with capacity, and we all know what happened here - BD were first off the market.



Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 10):
BD, just like Mumbai

Anyone mind reminding me what happened there?


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7303 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (5 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1865 times:

BD fought for, and got rights to operate LHR BOM. At the same time Jet airways got the same rights. The route went from two quality operators (BA, VS) alongside Air India operating the route to five carriers overnight.

BD - with no feed, and no name in India were slaughtered on the route. Jet were getting feed into Mumbai, with a quality service on board. BA and VS were getting the feed from all points west of the UK. BD were left to pick up the point to point traffic with AI carrying a lot of the Indian government and price sensitive traffic. Against VS, Jet and BA, BD would be ranked fourth in service quality.

Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 10):
BA isnt going to let BD take this market from them

Exaclty



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