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Delta's New Narrow Seats  
User currently offlineEarly Air From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 611 posts, RR: 1
Posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2707 times:

I do not know if all of you have heard, but Delta is not installing new NARROW seats on their 767-400's, these seats are more narrow than the normal coach seat of the 767-400. I think only one of the 767-400's have them now but much more will have them in the near future, and then all of them. Below are some pictures of the new Delta 767-400 economy class seat.

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Why in the world would Delta make their seats narrower? What do they get out of this, they did not add in an extra seat abrest, they just made the seats narrower. Mabye this makes the asiles a little bit wider, but wode aisles do not make up for narrow seats. Os their anyone who knows more about this and why Delta has done this? What are all of your opinions?

Rgds,
Early Air


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User currently offlineN312RC From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 2683 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2617 times:

Is Delta putting PTV's in coach in the 764s?


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User currently offlineEarly Air From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 611 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2598 times:

I think they are going to in the future.

Rgds,
Early Air


User currently offlineANA767 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2587 times:

The way I understand it, the seat cushions aren't narrower, the seat backs are. These slim-line seats give passengers a little more leg room without actually decreasing the number of seats in the plane. Has anyone actually sat in on of these seats? Can you tell the difference?

User currently offlineEarly Air From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 611 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2574 times:

So do you mean they made the seat back thinner?

Rgds,
Early Air


User currently offlineCAETravlr From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 910 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2566 times:

My understanding was that there was a lack of legroom because the seatback cushions were too thick. They also had to change out the way that the F/A call buttons were set into the armrest, because they kept getting hit by people's elbows all the time. I hope that the one that I am going on to HNL has the new seating installed. It is actually supposed to give you more personal space. There is no reason to go in and put narrower seats in if you are not adding one more abreast. I hope to God that the 767 never has more than 2-3-2 in coach!


A woman drove me to drink and I didn't have the decency to thank her. - W.C. Fields
User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2578 times:

Why in the world would Delta make their seats narrower? What do they get out of this, they did not add in an extra seat abrest, they just made the seats narrower. Mabye this makes the asiles a little bit wider, but wode aisles do not make up for narrow seats. Os their anyone who knows more about this and why Delta has done this? What are all of your opinions?

Rgds,
Early Air


Help me Jesus.

DeltaSFO



It's a new day. Every moment matters. Now, more than ever.
User currently offlineEIPremier From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1550 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2553 times:

The seats aren't narrower, at least not to my knowledge. However, the seatbacks are thinner. The main advantage to thin seats is that they are lighter in weight, which is beneficial for obvious reasons.

To be honest, I can't imagine most passengers will notice any more legroom with these new seats. They don't really look that much thinner than the old ones.



User currently offlineBryston From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2525 times:

I don`t know the thruth of this, but I heard that the FAA was thinking of changing the standards for seat width, because the average north-american is fatter.

Is it true? Does anybody heard that? I don`t even know for sure if there`s such a standard...

Bryston



I'd rather be flying...
User currently offlineN863DA From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 48 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2514 times:

People, PEOPLE!

The new 'narrower' seats have NOTHING to do with the width from side to side of the seats.

As described about a million times in the past and even in the captions for the photos, the seat BACK is narrower - or thinner if your english is limited - so that there is more space between seats, without having to readjust the seat-pitch. The new seats apparently are noticeably more comfortable.... not hard on the pitch on the 777.

And for what it's worth, the UK charter airlines fly 767-300s & -200s with a 2-4-2 configuration....

FLY DELTA JETS and sail UNITED STATES LINES



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User currently offlineWoodsboy From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1031 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2491 times:

The only experience I have had with these new "slimline" seats are on Alaska Airlines where they have them outfiteed on all new 737-700s and are retrofitting them to the -400s during c/d checks. Since Alaska jets dont have any in flight entertainment or stereo connections the armrests are much smaller and totally flimsy. The whole seat-back can flip forward and will at the slightest touch, the feel like the cheapest cardboard trash they could find which I am sure they were. These Delta seats look somewhat more substantial than the ones on Alaska.

One more thing, if they arent trying to add an additional seat, I can assure you the new seats arent any narrower- less bulky, yes! Narrower, no!


User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2903 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2486 times:
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CO had slimline seats in a 757 I flew on earlier this year... I found them less comfortable, not because they were any different in dimensions, but the cushions seemed cheap. I could easily feel the 'innards' of the seat. It wasn't awful, but it wasn't great, either...

User currently offlineRIX From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1787 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2484 times:

Well, I'm quite confused... The question was about NARROWER seats. Then it was said that only seatbacks are NARROWER, not the seats (still OK). Then suddenly a word THINNER appeared with the explanations about seat pitch, weight, ... It is OK too but it has NOTHING to do with NARROWER - my English is probably rather limited (at least it is not my native language), but "narrower" and "thinner" are different things! The first means "less WIDE", and that was the point of the topic, while the second means "less THICK", which was about legroom, ... So, OK, the seatbacks are THINNER, but are they NARROWER? And so, are the seats NARROWER? For me they look to be of the standard width while the seatbacks are narrower (nothing wrong for the passenger comfort), but it has nothing to do with legroom, seat pitch...

User currently offlineGOT From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 1912 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2477 times:

With narrower seats the might squezze in a few more seats making more money.

GOT



Just like birdwatching - without having to be so damned quiet!
User currently offlineBostonBeau From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 465 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2478 times:

Is it ALL the seats? I know the seats at the REAR of some B767 and B777 aircraft on some airlines are a bit narrower...so that the same number of seats across can be preserved for a few more rows as the fuselage begins to taper.

User currently offlineMr. 717 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2469 times:

Delta must not care mutch about there passenger! I hope they do! They look like a good airline, they have a nice hub airport! (I have never flown Delta)

User currently offlineUncle Leo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2476 times:

Dear Early Air,

Please be assured that we at Delta Air Lines take your comments seriously. We are continually striving to produce a more streamlined operation and to reduce our operating costs to 7.5.... oops, I didn't say that did I? Scratch that. Nope, definitely not me who said that. Whew.

As you may be aware, Delta Air Lines continues to transfer our remaining L-1011 Tristars to our newly formed, low cost "Delta Pacific" subsidiary to be based out of our new hubs in Mojave and Victorville. These aircraft continue to be replaced by the new Boeing 767-400 aircraft.

Early Air, in response to the overwhelming outpouring of concern over these developments, we at Delta Air Lines have decided to offer a service enchancement to our valued customers who travel on the Boeing 767-400. In keeping with the spirit of the Tristar, we will be installing traditional 9 abreast seating on these new aircraft in a standard 2-5-2 configuration. Our valued passengers on "L" and "U" fares are welcome to avail of this new expanded center section. This entire process will begin once the new narrower seats are installed.

Sincerely,
Your Friendly Uncle Leo


User currently offlineExusair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 684 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2435 times:

Thank you Uncle Leo, and by the way excellent choice of colors for our new uniforms. The paper mache material that you selected for our shirts make it impossible for me to launder these shirts and forces me to use the dry cleaners to make the shirts at least presentable. After all our goal is to be #1 in the eyes of our customers, and I can't do that in a wrinkled shirt!

Also Uncle Leo, thanks for removing my $15.00 a month dry cleaning allotment. Since I get paid a meager pittance for my job, losing an extra $15.00 has surely impacted my budget. I find I cannot pay union dues and pay for dry cleaning if a union were indeed voted in by my peers. I vote no because I can't afford extra starch on my shirts and feed myself within my budget.

As for the seats, I have sat in them and there is a difference that is noticeble. First of all the "gong show" that we have experienced on the flights where the call light button was on the armrest drastically dissapears with the new seats. The seats are slimmer, but there is no compromise in inseat comfort. They are doing this because of the numerous complaints by passengers. Months of input by flight crews had nothing to do with the seating changes.

The seats are not slim enough to provide for extra rows of seats. There are already enough people crammed into that airplane.

P.S. Uncle Leo, I look forward to DL stock hitting $35.00 a share so that any Johnny come lately with $3 billion can buy us out and you can finally escape this nasty airline business and go back to utilities with the money you and your executive friends have looted from the company coffers.


User currently offlineFoot&Mouth7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2435 times:

I hope they fly it to LHR.

Nigel


User currently offlineLogos From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 795 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2408 times:

Thank you, Uncle Leo, for bringing sanity to this rather hysterical thread.

DeltaSFO, you have my empathy.

Cheers,
Dave in Berlin



Too many types flown to list
User currently offlineEarly Air From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 611 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2371 times:

I am sorry for the spelling errors DeltaSFO. I was in a rush at the time.

I think the armrest thing is a good idea on the behalf of Delta. However, I think makeing the seatback thinner is a waste of money. No one will even notice the difference.

Rgds,
Early Air


User currently offlineWishihadalife From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2372 times:

Hey DeltaSFO - I think his new response is beyond even Jesus. Maybe a Sk***am-type alliance of Jesus, Allah and the Buddha might work though, with some of the Hindu gods thrown in as codeshare partners.  Smile

User currently offlineCAETravlr From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 910 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2345 times:

Early Air,

Did you not look at the larger image, and read the caption by the author of the picture? He said himself that it felt like more legroom. Even an inch or so can make a pretty decent difference. I was actually glad that someone posted something that brought my attention to a picture of the new seats in coach. I wanted to see them, as I will be sitting in the coach cabin of a 764 for a very long time later this month. As far as how the word "narrower" was used, it is all Semantics. A seatback that takes up less space leaves more room, a little math and physics lesson for you guys. As well, that little bit across that many seats, does save a little fuel burn, I promise.

As for the disgruntled employee and Uncle Leo posts going back and forth, I have one question. Why? This is a post about seats on an aircraft, nothing more.



A woman drove me to drink and I didn't have the decency to thank her. - W.C. Fields
User currently offlineMikeymike From United States of America, joined May 2000, 406 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2331 times:

Delta slimmed the seat back by three inches, rotated the PCU (Passenger Control Unit) from top-mounted to side mounted which in turn narrowed the armrest and gave back a half inch of width to each pax place, re-orientated the AVU box underneath the seat to give back more underseat stowage and increased the pitch in 12 seat locations by 1".

There are currently 8 aircraft retrofitted.

Any questions?

Ciao,
Mikeymike


User currently offlineImkeww From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (13 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2315 times:

These look awesome and comfy, unlike AA's new recaro slimline seats which are terribly flimsy and feel like 1" cardboard!

WTG Delta! Woohoo


25 Jaysit : Look... Do you want more legroom or do you want plush fat seats? Jesus, this is coach in the year 2001. The hysteria surrounding seats that to you app
26 Chepos : In my opinion these seats look very comfortable . Especially the leather headrest part . And apparently a little more legroom is offered and belive me
27 Post contains images DeltaSFO : These look awesome and comfy, unlike AA's new recaro slimline seats which are terribly flimsy and feel like 1" cardboard! WTG Delta! Woohoo Well, we m
28 MD-90 : Comair's CRJ seats seem to be thinner than the mainline Delta seats (older 737s and MD-88s). I thought they were more comfortable than even the MD-88'
29 CVG777 : Last week I think I was on an aircraft with the thinner seats. I am certain of this because the interior looked very new and clean like it had just re
30 CAETravlr : Thank you Mikeymike, for an informative, and educated post. We can always use more of those. Now that 8 of them are retrofitted so far, I certainly ho
31 DeltaSFO : CAETravlr.... Are you going through SFO or LAX? DeltaSFO
32 AgnusBymaster : I flew on Alaska a few weeks ago, and I guess the plane had the new seats with adjustable headrests that you are referring to. Anyway, I though the se
33 CAETravlr : Hi DeltaSFO, I was going to try to go through SFO, but the way my travel agent booked it, I ended up with the flight that is listed as ATL - HNL, mean
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