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Swiss Cuts Long-Haul Capacity  
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 19467 times:

Swiss will reduce capacity in selected long-haul destinations during April and June 2009. Flights will be reduced from daily to 6 weekly on the following routes:

ZRH-MIA

ZRH-BOS

ZRH-ORD

ZRH-LAX

ZRH-JNB

ZRH-PVG

ZRH-BOM

ZRH-DEL (frequency reduced to 6 weeklyand then further reduced to 5 weekly)

Destinations such as NBO-DAR and JFK will keep capacity, while GRU will increase capacity because of the axing of SCL tag-on.

A330 featuring new business and first class product will make inaugural flight ZRH-JFK as LX014 daily.

Rgs,

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User currently offlineRunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2182 posts, RR: 36
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 19295 times:

Of course this comes as Swiss are upgauging their fleet from 332s to 333s in light of the fact that they weren't able to cope with demand in Y on the 332s back when the economy wasn't down the drain.

I can't help but think LX may come to regret the move of getting a larger airplane, at least in the short-term and during slower periods of the year.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 19097 times:



Quoting Runway23 (Reply 1):
Of course this comes as Swiss are upgauging their fleet from 332s to 333s in light of the fact that they weren't able to cope with demand in Y on the 332s back when the economy wasn't down the drain.

I can't help but think LX may come to regret the move of getting a larger airplane, at least in the short-term and during slower periods of the year.

I agree and therefore struggle to understand why LX expands capacity in a market such as JFK which currently is under strong pressure.

Rgs,


User currently offlineFVTu134 From Russia, joined Aug 2005, 173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 19072 times:

Well Swiss still serves a strong home O&D towards NY. While in immediate future the A333 might be spacious, don't forget they won't get them all at once. At the same time it would be nice if LH could put some of those A332's to work on expanding SN's African network.

FVTu134



who decided that a Horizon should be HORIZONtal???
User currently offlineImag From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2007, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 19047 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Thread starter):
ZRH-JNB

SA Dropped ZRH, so that's gone from 14 a week to 6 to JNB?


User currently offlineRobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 19018 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Thread starter):
while GRU will increase capacity because of the axing of SCL tag-on.

I think the capacity to GRU actually remains the same as the tag on is now performed by TAM. And somehow pax with a final destiantion SCL will need to get to GRU.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 18978 times:



Quoting Imag (Reply 4):
SA Dropped ZRH, so that's gone from 14 a week to 6 to JNB?

Correct, frequency ZRH-JNB decreased from 14 weekly to 6 weekly because SA suspended ZRH flights.

Quoting Robffm2 (Reply 5):
I think the capacity to GRU actually remains the same as the tag on is now performed by TAM. And somehow pax with a final destiantion SCL will need to get to GRU.

No, because LH has codeshare with TAM to many destinations including MVD. LX flight will now be dedicated ZRH-GRU, of course pax may connect on TAM network to any codeshared destinations. Be in mind that TAM GRU-SCL B77W will be codeshare with LH and not LX, which anyway means almost the same...

There are also strong rumours that LX is planning to drop BKK or SIN (ZRH-BKK-SIN) so that one of these destinations get dedicated flight. Star partner SQ already operates ZRH-SIN which in my view means that LX will cut SIN and keep BKK.

Rgs,


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 18769 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Thread starter):
ZRH-LAX


ZRH-BOM

ZRH-DEL (frequency reduced to 6 weeklyand then further reduced to 5 weekly)

Do NA-ZRH flights have short connection times to ZRH-BOM/DEL flights in both directions? How is the business class product?


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4875 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 18690 times:
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Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 7):
Do NA-ZRH flights have short connection times to ZRH-BOM/DEL flights in both directions? How is the business class product?

ZRH-BOM leaves at around 1000 hrs and only connects with the JFK, and YUL. flights. LAX., MIA, BOS, and ORD all arrive too late for BOM.

ZRH-DEL leaves around 1240 and can take convenient connections from JFK, MIA, ORD, and BOS.

For the return, both DEL and BOM arrive ZRH in the early morning (around 6-ish). The only short connection is the JFK flight; LAX, MIA, ORD, YUL, all involve a 6 hour wait at ZRH.

The LX J seat on the A332s to BOM and DEL is frankly one of the worst long-haul seats out there today; they are the same seats that SR introduced back in the '90s and have regular non-AVOD PTVs. Crew and inflight service however is top-notch.

[Edited 2009-03-17 11:19:28]

[Edited 2009-03-17 11:20:02]

User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 18637 times:

Thanks Panamair for your comprehensive response to my post.  praise 

User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11418 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 18571 times:
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Quoting Robffm2 (Reply 5):
I think the capacity to GRU actually remains the same as the tag on is now performed by TAM. And somehow pax with a final destiantion SCL will need to get to GRU.



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 6):
No, because LH has codeshare with TAM to many destinations including MVD. LX flight will now be dedicated ZRH-GRU, of course pax may connect on TAM network to any codeshared destinations. Be in mind that TAM GRU-SCL B77W will be codeshare with LH and not LX, which anyway means almost the same

Hardi i believe Robffm2 point is that the capacity ZRH-GRU continues the same. The fact that you add connections in São Paulo does not change the fact the daily A343 continues to be daily A343. Even considering LH now connects passengers thru TAM network, in fact the only change is that this is now official as in the past no one would avoid flying FRA-GRU / GRU-MVD or any other destination.
As well as they axe SCL, but as you remind, TAM will be doing this flight for them.



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User currently offlineKnightsofmalta From Malta, joined Nov 2005, 1756 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 18574 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 6):
Star partner SQ already operates ZRH-SIN which in my view means that LX will cut SIN and keep BKK.

LX will be canceling SIN as of the 26 April 09.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 18493 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 10):
Hardi i believe Robffm2 point is that the capacity ZRH-GRU continues the same. The fact that you add connections in São Paulo does not change the fact the daily A343 continues to be daily A343. Even considering LH now connects passengers thru TAM network, in fact the only change is that this is now official as in the past no one would avoid flying FRA-GRU / GRU-MVD or any other destination.
As well as they axe SCL, but as you remind, TAM will be doing this flight for them.

Lipe, capacity in GRU increased, the flight is now GRU 100%. In this case we could say that all flights have the potential of connecting onwards...the point is that now LX will market the A343 ZRH-GRU, and there is no doubt that if LX had continued SCL it would far better market this destination. LX will close its shop in SCL and this fact alone will drive away many pax. The flight is now dedicated GRU and TAM will also limit the number of seats for the codeshare operation.

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 11):
LX will be canceling SIN as of the 26 April 09.

Thanks and this makes sense: LX wil operate BKK dedicated and therefore increase capacity in BKK.

This is good news since BKK is also a Star hub as TG could provide many connections to LX pax including SIN. In the case of SIN I am sure SQ will now take care of this market because it operates ZRH-SIN double daily and LX could codeshare this route.

Rgs,


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11418 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 18434 times:
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Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 12):
The flight is now dedicated GRU and TAM will also limit the number of seats for the codeshare operation.

Hardi, sorry but would be different if Swiss opens a new flight. I wouldn't see any difference as LX will just use JJ service to provide GRU-SCL leg.
Capacity increase, in my view, is like when LH opened FRA-EZE allowing FRA-GRU to be exclusive.

If this would drive costumers out ? I doubt because in fact many LH passengers use to fly FRA-GRU and MUC-GRU to connect to SCL thru LX service.
These customers will continue to enjoy connections without the need to clear immigration/aduanna.



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 18372 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 13):
Hardi, sorry but would be different if Swiss opens a new flight. I wouldn't see any difference as LX will just use JJ service to provide GRU-SCL leg.
Capacity increase, in my view, is like when LH opened FRA-EZE allowing FRA-GRU to be exclusive.

If this would drive costumers out ? I doubt because in fact many LH passengers use to fly FRA-GRU and MUC-GRU to connect to SCL thru LX service.
These customers will continue to enjoy connections without the need to clear immigration/aduanna.

We agree to disagree  Wink For example, KL also dropped EZE (AMS-GRU-EZE) and continued AMS-GRU dedicated, you see what happened, we had on average about 5 KL pax connecting onwards to TAM-KL codeshare GRU-EZE [I refer this to before the AF tied up which means AF was no alternative to EZE]. Also LX decided to drop both SCL and SIN first and foremost because the majority of pax was flying BKK and GRU anyway.

Rgs,


User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2122 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 18266 times:



Quoting Runway23 (Reply 1):
Of course this comes as Swiss are upgauging their fleet from 332s to 333s in light of the fact that they weren't able to cope with demand in Y on the 332s back when the economy wasn't down the drain.

2 Class A332's offered almost the same amount of seats as the A Class configured A330-300's will. At the end of the day the difference between the 3 Class configured A332's and A333's will be around 40 seats which is not that little but also not that much. It's not like LX has decided to drop it's A332's and get A346's now.


User currently offlineKnightsofmalta From Malta, joined Nov 2005, 1756 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 18185 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 12):
In the case of SIN I am sure SQ will now take care of this market because it operates ZRH-SIN double daily and LX could codeshare this route.

That will be the day! In the past LX has tried repeatedly to get a code-share agreement with SQ but they were never much interested.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 18119 times:



Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 16):
That will be the day! In the past LX has tried repeatedly to get a code-share agreement with SQ but they were never much interested.

It is not difficult to understand SQ position, with double daily ZRH-SIN SQ has a firm grip in this market. LX could not compete with the BKK-SIN stop-over so better focus on BKK and get a little of connecting pax onward with TG network.

Is TG still operating GVA-BKK?

Rgs,


User currently offlineKnightsofmalta From Malta, joined Nov 2005, 1756 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 18059 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 17):
Is TG still operating GVA-BKK?

No, GVA-ATH-BKK with TG was already axed a few years ago.


User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2122 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 18018 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 17):
It is not difficult to understand SQ position, with double daily ZRH-SIN SQ has a firm grip in this market. LX could not compete with the BKK-SIN stop-over so better focus on BKK and get a little of connecting pax onward with TG network.

It is more than time that LX offers service to Australasia hence now is the time to offer Codeshare flights via BKK to destinations such as SYD, MEL etc. Until now the cheapest options when buying LX tickets to Australia is connections from BKK or HKG with QF and CX which is a joke as those airlines are not in Star Alliance and you don't get any miles when flying with them.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 17837 times:



Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 18):
No, GVA-ATH-BKK with TG was already axed a few years ago.

Thanks.

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 19):
It is more than time that LX offers service to Australasia hence now is the time to offer Codeshare flights via BKK

I also think LX is doing right in focusing on ZRH-BKK and TG could offer some interesting South Asia and Australia connections, although as I said, the majority of pax will continue to terminate in BKK.

There is no chance LX can compete on SIN because of SQ stronghold of ZRH-SIN. LX SIN tag-on is costly and has very low yields.

Rgs,


User currently offlineLXM83 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 610 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 17342 times:



Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 16):
In the past LX has tried repeatedly to get a code-share agreement with SQ but they were never much interested.

Well, I think SQ's attitude on this may have changed and the time could be ripe now for a deal. AFAIK SQ is suffering a lot from the crisis (who doesn't...) and SQ's 2nd daily flight isn't doing so well (they've already cut it back by 2 weekly). They may well be happy now to take LX's pax.


User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 17276 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 12):
In the case of SIN I am sure SQ will now take care of this market because it operates ZRH-SIN double daily and LX could codeshare this route.

I believe it when i see it. SQ has repeatedly been to arrogant to allow an LX codeshare on their flights, and I think they'r enot going to change their mind. I just hope that this attitude will bite them one day. In fact, I don't really understand what they're doing in Star. They're a total oddball and would probably be better off alone, and frankly, wouldnt be a big loss to star.

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 15):
At the end of the day the difference between the 3 Class configured A332's and A333's will be around 40 seats

And a huge increase in comfort, which might attract more premium customers, thus justifying the increase of premium capacity in the fleet.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24865 posts, RR: 22
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 17197 times:



Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 18):
Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 17):
Is TG still operating GVA-BKK?

No, GVA-ATH-BKK with TG was already axed a few years ago.

TG was operating GVA-ZRH-BKK using the 744 when they dropped GVA. They had previously tried GVA-ATH-BKK using the 773 for a while, with equally poor results.


User currently offline787kq From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 17114 times:



Quoting Panamair (Reply 8):
The LX J seat on the A332s to BOM and DEL is frankly one of the worst long-haul seats out there today; they are the same seats that SR introduced back in the '90s and have regular non-AVOD PTVs. Crew and inflight service however is top-notch.

And they have the same crap on Nairobi flights. If it weren't for the Star Alliance points, I wouldn't fly them. I wouldn't be surprised if they put make NBO among the last destinations to get the new seats.


25 Knightsofmalta : Of course NBO will be one of the last destinations to get the new seats/aircraft. After all NBO is one of LX's top destinations even with crap seats.
26 Knightsofmalta : Unfortunately though, like most other airlines Swiss too has experienced the sharpest drop in demand precisely in the premium segment.
27 MarcinGDN : Where will the new A330-300 fly first to?
28 Hardiwv : Do not forget that NBO is tagged to DAR which in fact provies a lot of good loads and yields to the route. The flight operates ZRH-NBO-DAR-ZRH. Rgs,
29 Standby87 : Heard this story for what seems like years now! But as I can see ZRH-SIN is still operated by LX into 2010. If LX are going to cancel the SIN route,
30 Post contains links ZRH : ZRH-JFK LX 14 beginning in April. When you are in interested in this I recommend you to read the Swiss Aviation Thread. There it is discussed: http:/
31 Docpepz : LX will cut SIN some time this year and is currently trying to work out a codeshare agreement with SQ. This is one rumour that I am quite certain will
32 SandroZRH : Thats correct. 20% drop in premium demand, a 25% drop in cargo demand, and an overall pax drop of 9% which is, compared to the industry average, a pr
33 Kimberlyrj : Hi there I have just flown back with Swiss from MIA (wonderful flight and crew) in their Business class (a little dated design of seat but hey ho)...
34 ZRH : This is actually not a rumor. SIN will be axed by April 26.[Edited 2009-03-18 06:54:34]
35 Hardiwv : This is what has been said before. SIN is gone from LX network. LX will now increase capacity in BKK and operate ZRH-BKK dedicated. Rgs,
36 MarcinGDN : " target=_blank>http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...3/#32 Thanks ZRH. As I will be flying to LAX in June I was wondering if I can ever get one of
37 ZRH : No, to LAX you won't get it. The 15 A 343 will not be replaced by 333. The SWISS plan is to use the 333 for "short" long-haul, like US east coast or
38 Hardiwv : What about NBO-DAR? NBO-DAR, HKG, GRU, JFK, BKK. NRT are the only long-haul destination which LX did not decide to reduce capacity. They must be the
39 LXA340 : Will eventually be operated by A330-300 Has LX decided now to start the upgrade of it's A343's this year?
40 ZRH : I don't know when they start.
41 LXA340 : It seems to me that LX is not sure when the upgrade will begin either. It would really be the best to start it this summer as due to the current econ
42 Huaiwei : Perhaps geography simply isn't in LX's side. The primary profile of passengers to SIN are businessmen, while those to BKK are tourists, so the former
43 LXA340 : It will only make sense for LX to fly again to SIN when they will ofer a non stop conection. But especially during the current economic situation wit
44 MAH4546 : It's really not as simple as that. Various different routes are seeing different effects of the current drop in passenger traffic. Historically to th
45 Hardiwv : LH/LX need to look more closely at GIG market. It would not work for LX or LH to operate GIG as tag on to GRU at a time airlines such as AF have doub
46 LACA773 : How are loads & yields for LX out of LAX?
47 LXA340 : Load seem to be very high currently especially in premium classes but then agai what counts are the yields don't know how high they are.
48 NWIguy : any idea how long that's been final? I booked SIN - BKK on LX in July about a week ago! Guess I'll get put on TG or SQ
49 ZRH : Today I read a SWISS ad in the newspaper "NZZ am Sonntag" where they say that by 2011 all SWISS long-haul flights will have the new business class. I
50 JAL : But capacity wise, won't they increase since the A330-200 are being repplaced by A330-300?
51 LipeGIG : LH could launch a 5x weekly non-stop service to GIG using even A333 or A343. Looking for the nature of business in Rio, it attracts people from Asia
52 LXA340 : If I would be them I would try and upgrade up to 7 A343's this year starting in June every month one plane and combine it with C/D Checks on Planes J
53 Post contains links Poh2 : Official announcement: http://www.swiss.com/web/EN/about_sw...ss_releases/Pages/pr_20090323.aspx
54 Hardiwv : In the case of GIG I think LH would do better than LX because LH has a bigger long-haul capture area and therefore could compete better with LH. It d
55 LXA340 : LX used to fly to MNL via HKG but axed the tag on flight in 2004. Maybe we will see this tag on flight again in the future, however as the flight was
56 Viscount724 : Is AMS-MNL also one of KL's highest yielding routes? I would find that hard to believe based on the rather price-sensitive nature of most traffic to/
57 Standby87 : You're right - SIN has gone, it was cancelled on Monday. I was surprised they left it so late Adieu Singapore...
58 Standby87 : I think you'll just be cancelled with no alternative. Get in touch with LX ASAP Cheers
59 Panamair : Quite sad really, Swissair/Swiss have been in SIN for quite a long period......I remember flying on a Swissair DC-10 as one of my first trips to Euro
60 CityAirline : Yes, but they also attract alot of people from smaller European cities that do not have nonstop flights to the Middle East or Asia, as they would hav
61 Hardiwv : AMS-MNL is a high density route and has been the pest performing route for KL B77W which seats +400 pax in a small business cabin (in fact is the onl
62 Babybus : I'm not surprised that they have reduced services to the USA and I think soon more airlines will consolidate their services on these over provided rou
63 SQ_EK_freak : By the same token, if SQ left Star and indeed competed with TG instead of partnering with them, what alliance would they join? Oneworld would then re
64 Huaiwei : This is getting quite OT, but... When it comes to its own operations in its arena, SQ haden't found a need to ally with anyone. Fact is, SQ is still v
65 SQ_EK_freak : Wow, given these great KL figures coming from Manila, do you think there's enough room for a Star carrier to come back? Though if LH couldn't make it
66 ZRH : The A 343 could do without much payload restriction.
67 Eastern023 : I know is not the right time, however, I wonder if there will be other European carriers interested in SCL even if it is on a tag-on (GRU, GIG or EZE)
68 SandroZRH : I don't see why LH would launch SCL after they urged LX to pull out in favor of a codeshare agreement with TAM through GRU.
69 CityAirline : Yes we're very OT now but... I have always believed that LH can make MNL work. In the end it was a tag-on from CAN, but they didn't have 5th freedom
70 Viscount724 : You must be one of the few, assuming you're referring toi the J seats on the A330-200. I find those seats very uncomfortable with poor padding, and t
71 Hardiwv : Lets be very honest here, I am yet to see any European airline providing a decent and competitive service as compared to the mainstream Asian/Middle
72 NWIguy : Thanks for the advice, i contacted them and they agreed to re-book me with TG free of charge! Disappointing though because I wanted to fly the LX J c
73 Knightsofmalta : I think one can hardly make generalisations like that. I for one have vowed never to fly Emirates again after a series of flights which were all medi
74 HT : That's what one could expect from a carrier like LX ! -HT
75 Viscount724 : Do you consider the 7-abreast business class on EK A330s as better than the European carriers, none of which offer such a sub-standard product on Air
76 Hardiwv : You are completely right about EK, which still lives on its past glories. Service and product level at EK has deteriorated substantially and so have
77 Abrelosojos : = Are you serious? = Jaja. Hardi, now I can agree with your general statement of Asian/Mid-East carriers being magnitudanally better than their Europ
78 Hardiwv : Fully agree with you. EK now lives on past laureals. Its service level has gone downhill and now is just equivalent or even worse than its European c
79 LXA340 : EK seems to be focusing on quntity instead of quality. Regarding Asian carriers such as SQ and CX they are to some extend still ofering better and mo
80 Jambo : Oww i didnt now swiss was doing so well on NBO-DAR route. Where is all that market coming from? They are hardly known in Tanzania and i dont think the
81 Knightsofmalta : LX has a deal with the United Nation bringing refugees to Canada.
82 Hardiwv : The United Nations has a respectful fleet of aircraft, if you ever happen to go through KRT you will note that the majority of aircraft movement in K
83 CX288 : The current operating pattern is ZRH-NBO-DAR-NBO-ZRH, hence neither triangular nor routed via Jo'burg.
84 LXA340 : The route obviosuly can't do that bad if the frequency was increased over the past 2 years from 3 weekly to 6 weekly.
85 Viscount724 : LX has never operated ZRH-JNB-DAR. That would be such a big backhaul nobody would fly with them. They have operated ZRH-NBO-DAR for many years, and i
86 Hardiwv : Sorry it is my mistake, ZRH-NBO-DAR, I was writing too quick. The traffic via JNB is feed traffic with SA which operates JNB-DAR daily B738. The rema
87 LondonCity : Re: ZRH-SIN being cut It's officially announced today in The Straits Times: "After 40 years the Swiss Cross is leaving Changi airport. Swiss will oper
88 Asiaflyer : I will miss the Swiss A340 approaching SIN in the eveningsun. Now SK, AY, LX and OS are gone from SIN. Although we enjoy TK's 77W, the sky is full of
89 HB-IWC : It is of course possible that in due course the aircraft is used for other purposes. The LH-operated SGN and KUL turns come to mind.
90 LXA340 : Depending on the yield possiblities we might see LX to offer onward flights again in the coming years out of GRU and BKK. Currently it seems that the
91 Hardiwv : This was long expected, especially after the pull out of SCL. Tag-on flight are increasingly expensive especially to destinations which get good amou
92 Flyyul : One would think that LX has a couple of more North American opportunities such as possibly flying to Houston and or Mexico City/San Francisco?
93 Behramjee : yes IAH-ZRH with an A 332 is a good idea with a CO code share...I think for an A 333 to do this route especially westbound its a bit of a stretch espe
94 Knightsofmalta : Actually, if there were a route to IAH or DFW we would possibly even see a resurrection of the SSG route, which was only transferred to LH because LX
95 LXA340 : SFO is in the piplelines at LX and will probably be added to the network in the next 2-3 years, depending on how long the economic crisis will last.
96 Hardiwv : No chance any destination will be added to LX network in the current scenario. In fact there is a chance we will continue to see the network reduced
97 LXA340 : We are talking not about now we are talking about the future. The crisis will end at some point and once the crisis is over LX will expand again. For
98 Hardiwv : That was the main justification to end the SIN and SCL add-on because they would bring very little additional load and yields to the overall operatio
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